Does 'VICARIUS FILII DEI' exist and can '666' be applied to it?

[Sophia7]

I am starting this thread to invite especially Catholics and Adventists to discuss this topic here rather than debating it in the SDA forum, where there is a thread by the same name:
http://www.christianforums.com/t5140323

Because interdenominational discussion is limited there by Rule 1.4, I would like to give everyone the opportunity to continue the discussion here, where Catholics are free to defend and explain their beliefs.

 

[Cribstyl]

I am starting this thread to invite especially Catholics and Adventists to discuss this topic here rather than debating it in the SDA forum, where there is a thread by the same name:
http://www.christianforums.com/t5140323

Because interdenominational discussion is limited there by Rule 1.4, I would like to give everyone the opportunity to continue the discussion here, where Catholics are free to defend and explain their beliefs.

Is it true or false, that using the same fomular used to convert VICARIUS FILII DEI to Roman numeral equivalent of 666.

The name "HELEN GOULD WHITE" also translates to 666?

 

[reddogs]

My name probably translates to '666', so what is the criteria that qualifies the name and number of the beast?

 

[Cribstyl]

My name probably translates to '666', so what is the criteria that qualifies the name and number of the beast?

Ask Sophia7
Youve read the book, you know this message is about the Pope and not about you.

Sheeze.........The CC get's a lot of press from Sabbatarians

 

[Sophia7]

Ask Sophia7
Youve read the book, you know this message is about the Pope and not about you.

Sheeze.........The CC get's a lot of press from Sabbatarians

Please understand that I have no burden to argue this issue. I started this thread simply to give those who were discussing it in the SDA forum a venue where people on both sides could defend their beliefs, without the limitations of Rule 1.4.

 

[Sophia7]

Is it true or false, that using the same fomular used to convert VICARIUS FILII DEI to Roman numeral equivalent of 666.

The name "HELEN GOULD WHITE" also translates to 666?

It's Ellen Gould White, actually, just to be technical. My personal opinion is that probably most names could be converted to a numerical value of 666 if someone really wanted them to.

 

[a_ntv]

Is it true or false, that using the same fomular used to convert VICARIUS FILII DEI to Roman numeral equivalent of 666.

The Roman numeral equivalent to VICARIUS FILII DEI is 658, because the Romans substracted the letters if not in order (so IV is 4, while VI=6)

And U is not V.

Anyway VICARIUS FILII DEI is not a title of the pope....

 

[Cribstyl]

It's Ellen Gould White, actually, just to be technical. My personal opinion is that probably most names could be converted to a numerical value of 666 if someone really wanted them to.

I've been given a book tittled " The Mark of the Beast" by several of my SDA friends and I know their convictions about this matter.
How many millions of these books are printed and passed out free of charge by SDA member?


The punch line is
VICARIUS FILII DEI… Latin alphabet was assigned numerical values
The Literal Meaning: VICARIUS - substituting for, or in place of , FILII - means son, DEI - means God

**VICARIUS = V (5), I (1), C (100), A (no value), R (no value), I (1), U (5), S (no value) = 112
**FILII = F (no value), I (1), L (50), I (1), I (1) = 53
**DEI = D (500), E(no value), I (1) = 501

VICARIUS FILII DEI = 112 + 53+ 501 = 666


When the same formula points back to EG White with 666, then it's all becomes a trivial matter to them.
Some are backpeddling and some just confuse the details, but the dammage has been done by false accusations against other denominations just to recruit from other churches membership.

They dont have faith in the Holy Spirit to convict unbeliever through the gospel preached, so they use fear of the apocaliptic doom of mankind to steal member from other churches.

Look at how Reddog and Sophia disassociate themselves from the formula but their hearts are engraved about many messages against the Pope surrounding the issue of the Mark of the Beast.

CRIB

 

[Sophia7]

I've been given a book tittled " The Mark of the Beast" by several of my SDA friends and I know their convictions about this matter.
How many millions of these books are printed and passed out free of charge by SDA member?

The punch line is
VICARIUS FILII DEI… Latin alphabet was assigned numerical values
The Literal Meaning: VICARIUS - substituting for, or in place of , FILII - means son, DEI - means God

**VICARIUS = V (5), I (1), C (100), A (no value), R (no value), I (1), U (5), S (no value) = 112
**FILII = F (no value), I (1), L (50), I (1), I (1) = 53
**DEI = D (500), E(no value), I (1) = 501

VICARIUS FILII DEI = 112 + 53+ 501 = 666

When the same formula points back to EG White with 666, then it's all becomes a trivial matter to them.
Some are backpeddling and some just confuse the details, but the dammage has been done by false accusations against other denominations just to recruit from other churches membership.

They dont have faith in the Holy Spirit to convict unbeliever through the gospel preached, so they use fear of the apocaliptic doom of mankind to steal member from other churches.

Look at how Reddog and Sophia disassociate themselves from the formula but their hearts are engraved about many messages against the Pope surrounding the issue of the Mark of the Beast.

CRIB

I did not start the original discussion. As a moderator in the SDA forum, I simply gave people the opportunity to take the conversation here, where others can defend their positions, because that is only fair. How many times to I have to explain that?

And DO NOT assume anything about my beliefs please. I am not a traditional Adventist, and I do not believe that the "Vicarius Filii Dei=666" argument should be used.

 

[Cribstyl]

I did not start the original discussion. As a moderator in the SDA forum, I simply gave people the opportunity to take the conversation here, where others can defend their positions, because that is only fair. How many times to I have to explain that?

And DO NOT assume anything about my beliefs please. I am not a traditional Adventist, and I do not believe that the "Vicarius Filii Dei=666" argument should be used.

Well praise the Lord anyhow.......
God bless you, and sorry if I may seem over the top but God does not send people to condemn others, that's the job of the Holy Spirit. We should share what Jesus has done for us and them.

The Gospel is not about who the enemy is, it about who our God is, and what He has done for us.

Peace
CRIB

 

[Jimlarmore]

666 was a significant number used by rulers in ancient Rome. Nero and many other Roman rulers assumed a name that would add up to this number as well. I think the significant aspect of this is that the number most likely points to Rome in general and the apostate church that arose from Rome. Revelation 13:18 says it's the number of a man and this man is associated with the beast power. We would be remise of our duties if we didn't try to figure out what all of this meant. Identifying who this man is in truth is not a put down on anyone but a clarification of Biblical truth. To me, it's the system of the beast power that is being presented here.
In the reformation times the beast power was identified by nearly all of the reformer leaders such as Luther and others as being the universal church. Who leads this church??? The pope of course.

I am not sure if Vicarius Felii Dei was ever part of any title the pope used but there is literature ( not SDA ) that clearly says it was at one point. U can be considered as V in Roman numerals.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Loveaboveall]

Here is a link discussing this very matter:

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/666.htm

It is kind of hard to refute that the CC used this phrase when it is in writing.

 

[Loveaboveall]

Well praise the Lord anyhow.......
God bless you, and sorry if I may seem over the top but God does not send people to condemn others, that's the job of the Holy Spirit. We should share what Jesus has done for us and them.

The Gospel is not about who the enemy is, it about who our God is, and what He has done for us.

Peace
CRIB

CRIB,

It is not about condemning indviduals and I am sorry if someone has condemned you on a personal level. That is not anybodys place to do that. However, Jesus warned of many false teachings that would arise and I as most adventists believe that the Catholic Church is teaching a false gospel. Are motivation is love for the individuals in the Catholic Church. Please understand this. To focus on one aspect of why we believe the catholic church to be the 1st beast of revelation does little good. One must study all that is said on the subject to make an eductaed decision on the facts. Does one need to use the Vicarius Filli Dei argument to definitively prove that the Catholic Church is the before mentioned beast- absolutely not. There is much more overwhelming evidence to suggest this. Please study everything we have to say on the matter before trying to attack one small aspect of it.

 

[Cribstyl]

CRIB,

It is not about condemning indviduals and I am sorry if someone has condemned you on a personal level. That is not anybodys place to do that. However, Jesus warned of many false teachings that would arise and I as most adventists believe that the Catholic Church is teaching a false gospel. Are motivation is love for the individuals in the Catholic Church. Please understand this. To focus on one aspect of why we believe the catholic church to be the 1st beast of revelation does little good. One must study all that is said on the subject to make an eductaed decision on the facts. Does one need to use the Vicarius Filli Dei argument to definitively prove that the Catholic Church is the before mentioned beast- absolutely not. There is much more overwhelming evidence to suggest this. Please study everything we have to say on the matter before trying to attack one small aspect of it.

people with glass houses should not throw stones.

 

[Loveaboveall]

people with glass houses should not throw stones.

CRIB,

Why nasty words? I was just explaining that the official stance of the adventist movement is that you do not have to be an adventist to recieve salvation. So, to say that we condemn people to hell because they are of a different faith is not true. Now, there may be individuals who do such, and again, I sincerely apologize if this has happened to you. However, I can't apologize for what the bible says in Daniel and Revelation re: the apostate church.

 

[QuantaCura]

The Pope is not the Antichrist.

http://biblelight.net/keenan.htm#163

 

[Loveaboveall]

The Pope is not the Antichrist.

http://biblelight.net/keenan.htm#163

Interesting... but not biblical (in my opinion). You should browse around biblelight.net there is a lot more stuff that is interesting and backed up with scripture.

Without getting into a deep theological discussion of the reasons why I do not believe this to be true, I would encourage you to read a book by Charles Chinniquy "50 years in the church in Rome"

He asks one simple question ( I am paraphrasing) in regards to tradition over scripture.

How can we only believe what is in unanimous agreement by the holy fathers if they agree on nothing at all?

 

[djconklin]

The name "HELEN GOULD WHITE" also translates to 666?

1) Is "Helen" her given name or did they have to add the 'h' and drop an 'l' to make it work?
2) If you search the web you can find all sorts od names being suggested--I seem to to recall Bill Gates being mentioned.
3) It's more than just the number of the name (and I suspect that we get too "tight" on what is meant by "name.").