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Does God feed the birds? What did Jesus mean exactly? Birds do die without food.

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Let me start off by clarifying something. I'm a devote Christian and I have no doubt that God is good and loving. So my question isn't to question His goodness but to understand what He meant.

So I was reading the Bible the other day and came across this: Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls? Luke 12:24.

Sparrows and other birds do die without food in the wild. They get killed by other birds and animals too.

And here's another one from the same chapter:
6 Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?

I wonder what he meant there. Sparrows do get eaten by predators. I think here Jesus referred to sparrows because it's a relatively insignificant creature the audience would have seen. So they could understand His point better. Another small creature that comes to my mind is fish. One could argue that God feeds the fish too and not one of them is forgotten before Him. But Jesus had fish caught and eaten. He ate them too.

So exactly did He mean when Jesus said that?

For what it's worth, I'll throw this reference here as well. Lev 14:34 -
34 When ye be come into the land of Canaan, which I give to you for a possession, and I put the plague of leprosy(a mold on the wall in this context. You'll see that if you read the following verses) in a house of the land of your possession;
35 And he that owneth the house shall come and tell the priest, saying, It seemeth to me there is as it were a plague in the house....

In then goes on to describe how it should be prevented from spreading and whether drastic measures like demolishing the infected wall or the whole house is required. No talk about asking forgiveness from God or something. Nothing related to spiritual stuff. Yet verse 34 says "I put the plague of leprosy in a house".

Have I failed to understand any way of expression or idioms used by the Israelites? Or would you say God actually does those things? Feeding the birds, not forgetting the birds, putting mold on the walls, etc.
 
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Yhwh actually does, or has it done, those things.
Not even one little tiny sparrow in the whole world falls to the ground, unless(except) Yhwh permits it. No one can shoot it, trap it, catch it, no animal can eat it,
unless Yhwh permits it.

Yhwh is Sovereign.
This is all through Scripture, and always in life. Yhwh is Sovereign. Totally. Completely Sovereign. (simple: Yhwh is in charge of everything).

Leprosy too.

Yhwh is Perfect. All of His Ways are Judgment. Yhwh of Truth and with NO INIQUITY, just and right is He.

Yhwh does whatever He pleases. Who can challenge Him ?
 
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Let me start off by clarifying something. I'm a devote Christian and I have no doubt that God is good and loving. So my question isn't to question His goodness but to understand what He meant.

So I was reading the Bible the other day and came across this: Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls? Luke 12:24.

Sparrows and other birds do die without food in the wild. They get killed by other birds and animals too.

And here's another one from the same chapter:
6 Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?

I wonder what he meant there. Sparrows do get eaten by predators. I think here Jesus referred to sparrows because it's a relatively insignificant creature the audience would have seen. So they could understand His point better. Another small creature that comes to my mind is fish. One could argue that God feeds the fish too and not one of them is forgotten before Him. But Jesus had fish caught and eaten. He ate them too.

So exactly did He mean when Jesus said that?

For what it's worth, I'll throw this reference here as well. Lev 14:34 -
34 When ye be come into the land of Canaan, which I give to you for a possession, and I put the plague of leprosy(a mold on the wall in this context. You'll see that if you read the following verses) in a house of the land of your possession;
35 And he that owneth the house shall come and tell the priest, saying, It seemeth to me there is as it were a plague in the house....

In then goes on to describe how it should be prevented from spreading and whether drastic measures like demolishing the infected wall or the whole house is required. No talk about asking forgiveness from God or something. Nothing related to spiritual stuff. Yet verse 34 says "I put the plague of leprosy in a house".

Have I failed to understand any way of expression or idioms used by the Israelites? Or would you say God actually does those things? Feeding the birds, not forgetting the birds, putting mold on the walls, etc.
Given the context of Luke 12:22-34, yes God does feed the birds, but by the same token, he feeds all animals as that is how he made nature.
This may infuriate a lot of animal rights activists but basically Jesus is stating to his disciples here but they are more valuable than animals therefore if they really are in his will and following him he will take care of them unlike animals who don't follow God they just exist.
 
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Thanks a lot for the response, guys. I have a bit more clarity now. So basically Jesus says "I've set up this ecosystem and stuff. I know everything that happens in it and nothing against my will can happen in it. Birds don't work like you do but I've set up a system for them to find food. I have plans for your life too. Don't worry. Birds will fall(die) but not a single bird will fall without my knowledge. Nothing happens against my will. Nothing against my will can happen to you. So don't worry."

So that's pretty much what he's saying huh? Thanks for your responses. It helped.

Also thanks, yeshuaslavejeff. You quoted Matt. 10:29. That verse gave me a bit more clarity.
 
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GREAT question, and in your response above you pretty much nailed the answer, as well as some of the other responses in this thread.

What particularly stands out for me however, as i think on this, is that, in spite of our fallen and corrupt world, after the fall, that God STILL cares for His creatures, even though evil is very present in its current state of corruption.

And yes, i agree with you.

God IS good.

Amen.

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Yeah that's very true. It would have been much easier and painless for him to just kill off Lucifer and erase that from everyone's memory. Or replace Adam and Eve and erase them from the angels' memory. It took me a while to understand why he did that. He's quite amazing isn't he? = D

Haha yeah it's a fun photo I came across. Cute cat.
 
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