Deliverance from Asperger's

[janieshope]

I am sorry that I didn't try to understand what each person on this site felt before writing my statements. I wish that I could start over. I am glad that I got to read these posts and get to know the people writing them.

 

[gal4God]

Amen this is awesome stuff. i have been waiting 4 God's healing from AS and i am still waiting, but not long ago i got told by some1 that u can't be healed 4rm AS. is this ture?

 

[-Kyriaki-]

God can heal from everything, but not every healing is deliverance.

people look to find demonic reasons behind everything - human beings are not perfect and not one of us has a perfect genetic code. it's just that sometimes our genetic faults are more obvious than others.

i have a genetic condition also, and have received prayer for healing on many occasions (and yes people have tried to cast demons out of me as well) but i have come to peace in what i have and believe that God's will will be done in my life - whether He heals me and brings glory to Himself or whether i live with it until i die. whatever i do i'll do it for the Lord, but don't be so quick to decide that all genetic abnormalities are generational curses.

 

[vespasia]

Janieshope.

We who *do* have Aspergers are made in His image just as every person who walks upon this planet is made in His image.

The word used is image not exactly the same as Him but in His image.

Genetic tests show a fault on genes in those who have inherited patterns of ASD; some show brain structural anomalies and CAT tests and similar neurological pathworking show that we have brains that are put together in a way that is different for NTs.

Satan can mess with human genes? Well I know for a fact man can but Satan as powerful as God to do so without the aid of genetic manipulation? No.

You also make some terrible assumptions. You assume all that use this folder are parents.
You have failed to read enough to notice that most HAVE ASD and then inflict your NT ideal of normality upon us.
You assume that curses HAVE to be involved because that is the only way you can cope with the idea of difference.
Ever MEET anyone with Aspergers or Autism and bothered to get to know them ?

You clearly lack empathy or compassion in regards to the communication difficulties many with ASD have and choose to ignore that there ARE Christians who have accepted and follow Christ with guess what Aspergers.

God shows compassion and has love for this world and all of us in it.

Have you looked at the statement you have made and how illogical it is.
I still have the symptoms of rosacea but hey I say I have been healed therefore those symptoms are a lie because I have constructed the 'truth' that I am healed.
Have a good hard look at the people God called to serve him from Moses to Paul to Timothy.
Attitudes like yours led to people with disability left marginalised at the doors of the Church instead of being welcomed in as they are. No wonder there is such a pressing and urgent need for proactive Disability campaigning to change policies that disabled us more than anything else.

Please read posts in the deliverance folder regarding autism

 

[janieshope]

Actually, I do know someone who might have Asperger's syndrome. My husband. I can't say for sure though My husband is the most loving man I know and I am glad that we are married.

In the bible, Jesus Christ redeems from bondage. I think that anything that puts anyone in bondage has to go.

I don't think that Satan can be compared to God in any way, shape, or form. God is infinitely more powerful than the devil, but people have to let the Lord work in their lives. There is still spiritual warfare even though the devil is defeated. You have to appropriate faith in Christ so that Christ can work in you. God gives us free will to believe.

A lot of people think that God makes people have problems-genetic problems, deformities, mental disabilities. God does not do this. He is a healer and it says so in the bible. It is also His will that people have joy, wholeness and the like. No, I don't think I am better. Believe me I don't.

We all have things in our lives that come against us, but I am just saying that we can be victorious in Him.

Also, I just want to say that I don't believe in cloning. I don't think that someone who is not "beautiful physically" has a defect. In fact inner beauty is what makes a person beautiful. But I am talking about the need to be delivered from things that keep you from being all you can be in Christ. I think differences are good if they are things that edify a person spiritually. Our God-given personalities are beautiful.

Also, about rosacea. I guess I did sound contradictory there, but I did mean what I said. I guess the reason why I am still attacked with symptoms of rosacea is because I haven't appropriated my faith. But I am confident that when I realize that I need to have faith before the symptoms leave, then I won't have them anymore. I was told by a minister that sometimes the devil will bring symptoms against someone and when the person keeps acting like they have the problem because the symptoms still persist, the devil hopes that the person will lose faith. It is hard for me to believe before I see the results of the healing.

In respect to how I have acted on this site, I can see now why you may think that I lack empathy and compassion on this site.

I think everyone is made in God's image and is special. Why do you assume that I don't think that? Was I attacking anyone? That wasn't my intention.

I can see how one would think that I came across in this way. I am sorry. I don't mean to put anyone down.

Also, I want to say that there is no such thing as normal. Everyone has the same worth in God's eyes. He died on the cross for us.


I don't have all the answers because I am not God.If there is something that I have said that is not in agreement with the word of God, please point it out to me. I guess I need to apply my faith.

 

[gal4God]

thanx i don't think you lack compassion or empathy. i think u are full of compassion and empathy. u can understand what we have to go though having Aspergers.

 

[willcoach]

I understand how you feel but as for me I've had to compensate but through Gods grace and mercy I'm starting to understand more yes I interrupted conversations I'm listening more I'm being more friendly even if I don't want to be. Every day is still a learning experience. I think as has been a blessing it has giving me a calling in life but I feel God will provide as I hope to work with others with the same conditions. Take Care and God Bless Thought I'd help you out Finoban

 

[uniquetadpole]

Actually, I do know someone who might have the symptoms of Asperger's syndrome. My husband. I can't say for sure though. I just think that anything that comes in the way of living a whole life in Christ has to go. I think that Asperger's, like many things, is one of those things. My husband is the most loving man I know and I am glad that we are married. We were meant for each other. He has many of the symptoms of Asperger's, and I think that one of the reasons why his spiritual life is suffering is because of this. He doesn't think that anything is wrong and doesn't think that it is necessary to ask the Holy Spirit to show him what is going on so he can be free from things that come against him.

I am going to go out on a limb here...I read your first post and was a bit hurt by it when I first read it too. Because I see my AS as a blessing...I am not a broken person as a result of my AS...rather it is because of the abuse that I have had to endure throughout my life due to others not accepting differences...because I have worked my entire life to do whatever I was supposed to do to simply be accepted by anyone...as a child we base our view of God on what we experience...and if all we experience is rejection and frustration then how can we be whole...I also found myself in situaitions where others took advantage of my vulnerabilities and naivite and really abused me pretty bad...and it is this abuse that I need healing from...cuz the day I learned of my AS diagnosis this past summer at the age of 34 ...I saw for the first time that it was not my fault and I have done the best I can all my life and it is good enough in His eyes...the freedom I found with this new knowledge was what "healed" me from my AS so to speak...yet the reality of it is that I still have AS and yes it can be problematic at times, but it is my AS that has brought me in such a close relationship with God I would never want to be rid of it...for it is those challenges that I simply can't do something that others can do that remind me that it is God that I need to rely on...not myself...NOPE would not trade that for the world...I still have a very long way to go to recover from the abuse...but it is God's healing hand that is upon me...not to rid me from my AS but to change my attitude to be more and more Christ-like each and everyday that I walk this earth serving Him.

So it kind of makes me feel bad when someone looks at my blessing as a problem...but I did not want to respond right away because I was not sure that I was reading it correctly and planned on coming back to it at a later time. However I see that this first statement about your husband has brought some more clarity to me...and I am basing my view below on what you have written... because that is all I have to go on...

It seems to me maybe that the issue is not the possible AS that you have to contend with each and everyday with your husband...but perhaps the issue may be with his self image and attitude about himself. And is it possible that you may not be accepting him fully where he is as he is?...this I have no idea of...but what I have seen in my own life is that many times when I have a difficulty with someone...God tends to remind me that only one finger is pointing at them and three are pointing at me...and it is my attitude that must change...why? because we can not change other people...we can only change ourselves. It is Gods job to change others...it is our job to be His servant...and sometimes that means telling it like we see it...and sometimes it means simply loving the other person just where they happen to be at the time...and let God do His thing...this is a very hard thing to do for most people...

now imagine living in an alien world full of unknown rules...this is the world that I live in...so what else is there for me to do than to be whole in God so that he may be my interpretor...but through Christ all things are possible...and I believe that you can be whole without being "healed" in the traditional sense of the word. Because a spiritual healing is all I have ever needed and now for the first time...I am in process of receiving that.

 

[willcoach]

I am going to go out on a limb here...I read your first post and was a bit hurt by it when I first read it too. Because I see my AS as a blessing...I am not a broken person as a result of my AS...rather it is because of the abuse that I have had to endure throughout my life due to others not accepting differences...because I have worked my entire life to do whatever I was supposed to do to simply be accepted by anyone...as a child we base our view of God on what we experience...and if all we experience is rejection and frustration then how can we be whole...I also found myself in situaitions where others took advantage of my vulnerabilities and naivite and really abused me pretty bad...and it is this abuse that I need healing from...cuz the day I learned of my AS diagnosis this past summer at the age of 34 ...I saw for the first time that it was not my fault and I have done the best I can all my life and it is good enough in His eyes...the freedom I found with this new knowledge was what "healed" me from my AS so to speak...yet the reality of it is that I still have AS and yes it can be problematic at times, but it is my AS that has brought me in such a close relationship with God I would never want to be rid of it...for it is those challenges that I simply can't do something that others can do that remind me that it is God that I need to rely on...not myself...NOPE would not trade that for the world...I still have a very long way to go to recover from the abuse...but it is God's healing hand that is upon me...not to rid me from my AS but to change my attitude to be more and more Christ-like each and everyday that I walk this earth serving Him.

So it kind of makes me feel bad when someone looks at my blessing as a problem...but I did not want to respond right away because I was not sure that I was reading it correctly and planned on coming back to it at a later time. However I see that this first statement about your husband has brought some more clarity to me...and I am basing my view below on what you have written... because that is all I have to go on...

It seems to me maybe that the issue is not the possible AS that you have to contend with each and everyday with your husband...but perhaps the issue may be with his self image and attitude about himself. And is it possible that you may not be accepting him fully where he is as he is?...this I have no idea of...but what I have seen in my own life is that many times when I have a difficulty with someone...God tends to remind me that only one finger is pointing at them and three are pointing at me...and it is my attitude that must change...why? because we can not change other people...we can only change ourselves. It is Gods job to change others...it is our job to be His servant...and sometimes that means telling it like we see it...and sometimes it means simply loving the other person just where they happen to be at the time...and let God do His thing...this is a very hard thing to do for most people...

now imagine living in an alien world full of unknown rules...this is the world that I live in...so what else is there for me to do than to be whole in God so that he may be my interpretor...but through Christ all things are possible...and I believe that you can be whole without being "healed" in the traditional sense of the word. Because a spiritual healing is all I have ever needed and now for the first time...I am in process of receiving that.

Amen, unique I feel the same way He is definately showing me some brand new stuff. You are very encouraging and its cool to find other believers with AS. This has strengthened me. Janie its ok we all make mistakes but you did not understand but your to starting to and thats cool

 

[janieshope]

I probably don't understand fully what people who have AS go through, but I feel that I can also relate because I have been judged by people harshly. I have communication problems and I feel that I am judged before I even have a chance to open my mouth. It is hurtful. But, I don't think that it truly matters what other people think because they are going to make their own judgments regardless. I think the thing that matters is what God thinks about you. God is love and people matter to Him.

I think that God wants people to receive his promises of wholeness. One minister put it like this, "Wholeness is nothing broken, missing, or destroyed." So, I guess that means anything that takes away from the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual health. If the spiritual health is good, then I think that the rest will line up.

I don't think that Christians are exempt from suffering or persecution, but I don't see anywhere where for a christian suffering or weakness has to =disease, deformity, brokeness or the like. It is still not God's will that anyone, Christian or non-Christian, have a disease of any kind or other problem that brings the spirit down, but the difference - Christians can receive the promises of God through faith and obedience in Him. . Some people think that maybe it is God's will for suffering to =disease, deformity, brokeness and the like. I don't see where it says that in the bible. First it is God's will for good health. There were a few things in NT about illness(I am thinking about Timothy). But in that situation in Timothy. God still gave the remedy of a little wine to help with the stomach. Christ set a lot of people free in NT who reached out in faith. He is our savior, healer,deliverer....etc.

I do think that God can give us strength in weaknesses. Not everyone is a good public speaker for example.I don't think that everyone has it all together in this life, but one day everything will be made clear.
Also about my husband, I can be hard on him. I am working on being there for him and being supportive. I am not ashamed of him. I just want him to experience all that He is meant to experience. I have to do my part and be the best wife I can be to him and have faith for the rest.

I didn't mean to hurt anyone, but I do have a tendency to say things without really thinking about how I will affect someone. I will make an effort to do better with that. Also, I think I am repeating myself a lot, and I don't want this to just be about me spurting out things I am learning. I am learning things from each person that puts up a post, that I didn't understand or know either.

 

[vespasia]

Janieshope lets turn the argument you presented around so that you can consider this from a different view point.

I can't say for sure though. I just think that anything that comes in the way of living a whole life in Christ has to go. I think that Asperger's, like many things, is one of those things.

Now what if the 'thing' that is preventing a person with Aspergers relating to God is the way that NT 'do' is the church and the 'normal' way they think Christian should be.

You will find information on how to relate with an aspie in marriage by Tony Attwood. Take that and read it with the bibles examples of marriage bearing in mind the words of Peter [its late I have had enough meetings at church that I can feel my whole mind 'shutting down' and I know I will stop speaking for at least a couple of days so I cannot access were in 1 Peter the exhortation to Christian wives is]

I do not consider having aspergers to be a problem.
I consider other people expecting me to behave and think as they do all the time is. I can do a very good 'pretending to be normal' as I function at a high level have good linguistic skills (not small talk I cannot fathom the purpose of that and to be honest it does not even blip on my personal radar as a must learn the basics. Its nothing to me)

God is beyond any humans mind to convieve envisage or imagine Him. Logical analysis led me to stop and question the nature of theism and that in turn eventually led to god and I do mean eventually. I had to experiment with some very dark occult practises in my quest for knowledge and understanding of spiritual seeking. I have aspergers but I have also always been able to 'see' the fae.

The theistic concept of Satan is one I adhered to having rejected the atheistic concepts of say Church of Satan but aspects of it did not work with things that I considered to be ethical. I could say more here but perhaps I had better not. If God had not worked in my life I would have continued to seek to eventually become a magister. At one point that was the sole aim to achieve and I worry I might well have done so given my ability to hyperfocus on a goal.
With hindsight that was a bad choice but it made sense to me at the time.

God is +¥ not merely infinity. (please note I am using this symbol here in its purely mathematical sense) He the creator is greater than the created Old Harry. He is more than infinite lets not allow the smallness of our ability to conceive ideas force God into a smaller box just so that our minds can cope.

God gives us free will to choose in my case that means I have chosen every day since I first choose to follow Christ to follow Him another day.

Look around you we do not live in a perfect world. It is tainted and fallen. It is not how God intended because Adam choose badly.

Spending more than 30 years on esoteric studies to the point I became proficient and experienced come at a cost. I know what it is to a habitation of unclean spirits and take it from me that makes the spectrum easy to live with and I mean live not in a crippled sense but in a joyfilled sense at a God who creates such diversity in a myriad colours and shapes.

Our strength is to be found in Him by cleaving to Him.

Cloning occurs in nature. Identical twins, hydras but this is cloning as God created not as man manipulates in a lab.
The quote goes 'beauty is skin deep but ugly goes to the bone' . God sees the beauty within our very being because he can see what we truly treasure within ourselves.

Luke was physician a doctor trained in the classical sense. Sometimes God will use human doctors to heal by allowing them to use the skills and gifts they have for healing to benefit another.

I speak as one who has been on the receiving end repeatedly of the 'autism and apsergers is a deamon' school of thought. It has cost me and I bear physical scars from so called Christians who have taken it into their silly heads that because I AM different that different is bad and therefore I am a daemon walking in human form.
If they EVER find out about my past they begin to scream hysterically about having 'proof' .
Speaking in the name of Christ against 'complications' does not guarantee a trouble free pregnancy or a happy outcome but yes it is right to pray for an unborn child and safety for the mother.

I can tell you that the thing that drove me to seriously consider suicide was not coming to Christ, it was the mindset and attitude of His church.

Is it Gods will that people who are different feel ashamed of their difference because of the way the church marginalizes them and tells them they lack faith for lo if they had it they would be 'whole'. I do not see this in the teachings of Christ. Wholeness from sin by forgiveness yes but no guarantee that this world suddenly becomes nice.

I cannot always keep the 'veneer' of socially acceptable up. I struggle with people who have smaller vocabularies and expect me to have a emphatic response to them or be able to engage in small talk all the sort of things many 'value' in Church. I am unlikley to dress in a manner that suits 'corporate church' but it does suit the marginalised I walk amongst.

Two years ago I threw all the stupid pretending to be *!* normal out the window because its a pretence I am not NT then now or ever and I cannot pretend to be just so some Christians can feel 'comfortable' around me.
I am one of the more blessed ones as despite the many bruises I found a fellowship that could look beyond the geeky questioning totally *insert expletive of choice* and could understand why I might feel angry with how I had been treated in the first two years of being a Christian, the complete lack of any idea of what I deal with every day and why I simply need to study at degree level. Without that I worry my mind will run back on to the left hand path.

Yet because I know this each day I have choosen to follow Him to the point that I am now put aside to work for a church with those who are 'differant' , marginalised and not appraoched because society sees them as weird.
As I treat all alike this is not a social hurdle for me so for me to do this work having aspergers is a blessing not some curse.

 

[gal4God]

i think u do understand wot ppl with AS go though, i'm not confused i am founding ur posts very encorregeing. thanx 4 ur posts they have beeen and i hope the contine 2 be very encorrgeing.

 

[JesseRaymondBassett]

Hello,
As someone who has Aspergers-Autism, I find the original post extremely offensive. Autism is a gift from God and NOT from Satan. It is extreme views like these that tear the body of Christ apart. I am insulted!

--Jesse

 

[loveslife2006]

Good one uniquetadpole.
I get so sick of people pertaining evrything 2 satan. We r in a fallen world and I believe in scientific evidence 2. God is all love and he would not inflict anyone....he loves his children. Satan can't stuff around with genetic material....because God made it. I believe u can have autistic spectrum like traits without having Autism/AS. Trauma would do it, as in my case as a young child. But the stuff that shows up on brain scans is not demonic. And science is working on all sorts of cures and treatments. Not all science is bas. God gifts some people with scientific abilities. It's all that marginalisation that can make people rum from church. I am more on the ADD side but we have some similar problems. We r right brained dominant but have communication and other probems too. I learned not 2 interupt converstions, had 2 learn impulse control and aquire new skills to live a betterlife. I don't have it worked out....every day just brings me closer. I too have been blessed....it's not my fault I have ADD but i can take responsibility 4 how I react. I will always be learning something new there. i feel that the writer of the 1st post, though I get it that they didn't mean 2 offend, needs 2 put more thought into what they say in their posts. Too much is excused by communication problems......others have feelings too.

That's my 2c worth

 

[stephwalker1971]

OK...I am gonna give my 2 cents here, I may be wrong, or I may be right, but it is my own opinion. I know a few people with Asperger's or Autism. I think God gave them that disorder for a reason, and for us to say they NEED to be healed, to me, is like saying God was wrong in the first place. These disorders have nothing to do with a person's faith in God , and it really makes me wonder how so many people can say that they just need more faith to be healed
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A friend of mine has AS and she uses it not as an excuse for what has happened in her life, not for the sympathy, or as an excuse not to try to do anything, but she uses it to help others, and I know that because of that, she tends to get hurt by others. I really commend her for that! These days too many people use their disorders, disabilities or whatever to NOT do anything in their life, to just sit back and expect others to do things for them. She has taken her experiences, and shown others that people with AS can do whatever they want...they may have reached their goal in a different way, but hey, they reached it!!

That is just my opinion on it!

 

[willcoach]

OK...I am gonna give my 2 cents here, I may be wrong, or I may be right, but it is my own opinion. I know a few people with Asperger's or Autism. I think God gave them that disorder for a reason, and for us to say they NEED to be healed, to me, is like saying God was wrong in the first place. These disorders have nothing to do with a person's faith in God , and it really makes me wonder how so many people can say that they just need more faith to be healed
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A friend of mine has AS and she uses it not as an excuse for what has happened in her life, not for the sympathy, or as an excuse not to try to do anything, but she uses it to help others, and I know that because of that, she tends to get hurt by others. I really commend her for that! These days too many people use their disorders, disabilities or whatever to NOT do anything in their life, to just sit back and expect others to do things for them. She has taken her experiences, and shown others that people with AS can do whatever they want...they may have reached their goal in a different way, but hey, they reached it!!

That is just my opinion on it!

your friend is cool!!!

 

[TheDerek]

*Mod Hat On*​

I would like to remind everyone that this is a recovory forum. Talk of Demons in this forum is usually limited, however it does have a place in other forums. This tread has become productive, and will stay. Let me know if ya have any questions.

*Mod Hat Off*​

 

[Mirelys]

I do not believe autism/AS is a gift. I also don't think it's a curse. It just IS. It's a trait, or a set of traits, and depending on the individual and their circumstances, those traits can be struggles or joys.

 

[Sabertooth]

I have been recently diagnosed with AS AND I have been previously involved in deliverance ministry.

I am still convinced that some or all of my condition is a form demonic oppression. The face-blindness and lack of natural compassion certainly appear to be. God seems to expect His people to be moved by compassion.

If neuro-diversity is a valid position for Aspies, it may be that we are just susceptible to certain spirits because of it.

If I had an opportunity to receive deliverance in the two above-named areas and He wanted to deliver me from the WHOLE condition, I would not hesitate because we just don't know without revelation.

If on such an encounter I discovered parts of it are good and parts of it are demonic (and got deliverance), that would be okay too.

 

[PairoDocs]

I think that if you all look at I Corinthians 12, you'll see that the Body of Christ is composed of many members including some "less presentable" parts that are treated with "modesty," but God also gives greater "honor" to these parts. I believe that Paul may have been discussing the easy to get along with people "NT" and the ones that are a bit more of a challenge (Asperger's, autism, mental illness, AD/HD, etc.). I believe God ordained some people to have an Asperger's type personality, possibly to test and mature the so-called 'normal' members of the Body. Of course there are other active roles in the church we take--as we should--and in doing so make life 'interesting' for others with whom we fellowship and minister. Yes, we can even expose them to not only the concept of "marching to the beat of a different drummer" but perhaps moving to an entirely different orchestral section altogether--"Drums? What drums? I don't hear any drums..."

I think that if anything demonic has happened to any of you, it may have been more of dabbling in the occult or polytheistic religions (even by accident or in 'fun') rather than from 'weaknesses' of Asperger's syndrome. If there's demons, by all means send them packing, but don't try to change what God as wrought in our personalities. Maybe that's what Paul meant by "more grace" to the less presentable parts, so that when we start to shriek out loud from being flooded or even having lost our car keys, we won't be put into some sort of demonic bondage over that. Consider Paul's own petition to the Lord that he three times prayed that the Lord would remove the thorn in the flesh "a messenger from Satan" and yet God did not deliver him, but instead said "My grace is sufficient for thee." God's ways are higher than our ways. We may not understand why we have Asperger's but I think we all can agree that Jesus loves us equally as He loves the "NT" brothers and sisters in Christ. I won't be surprised if on judgment day some of us may find our relative growth in character, even if it never reaches what NTs call 'normal' may be far more pleasing to the Lord than the naturally 'good' behavior NTs are supposedly blessed with.

As for the NT (= Neuro Typical) people who come here to throw stones, be careful, because Jesus says "What you have done to the least of my brethren, you've done to Me." We have just as much a valid role in the Body of Christ, even if it is to just sometimes shake up your complacency a bit, and broaden your ability to love the 'unlovable.' Then, perhaps, it will be a bit easier to approach that stinky mentally ill homeless person with the Gospel presented with truly mature Christian love. Who knows? Maybe that homeless person will accept Christ and grow to be a great man or woman of God, delivering the Gospel with a very unique flavor to those encountered. Maybe even if we aren't the ones to specifically reach out to certain types of 'lost' souls, our presence in the Body will enable others who are matured by loving us as we are, to be better at reaching out than they would have been if we were not there.

After getting to read some of what's been discussed by the others here on this thread, I'm actually becoming thankful for having my Asperger's.

God Bless!