Danny Shelton?

[k4c]

I recently started a Friday night Bible study with a non-SDA family who just came to understand the Sabbath truth. We were watching Kenneth Cox when the wife of this family noticed how the DVD series were filmed at 3ABN. Right away she objected to the fact that it was 3ABN because of the behavior of Danny Shelton. She stated that she and Linda had gone to school together and she knew her very well. She said what Danny did to her was ungody and unscriptural.

As a result of all this, what consequence did Danny receive from the SDA church for his unscriptual diviorce and his firing of Lind from 3ABN?

 

[JonMiller]

He isn't employed by the SDA chruch, is he?

What we should probably do is quit supporting him.

JM

 

[k4c]

He isn't employed by the SDA chruch, is he?

What we should probably do is quit supporting him.

JM

I don't know too much about what happened or who employs him but I do see a lot of 3ABN being used in the SDA. I believe Amazing Facts is connected with 3ABN.

How do I defend these things when people outside of the SDA ask for accountability?

 

[cesty]

I don't know too much about what happened or who employs him but I do see a lot of 3ABN being used in the SDA. I believe Amazing Facts is connected with 3ABN.

How do I defend these things when people outside of the SDA ask for accountability?

From what I understand he has stepped down from being president of 3ABN.

But here's what I would ask these people: Should God throw out a whole ministry which He built up, deeming it to be worthless, because one person chose to take the wrong path?

I am reminded of something that Nathanael had said to Philip: "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?" (John 1:46 NKJV)

Indeed, 3ABN has a stained history; but could anything good come out of 3ABN? Is it all washed up? Are all of the archives worthless now because someone chose to take the wrong path?

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," says the LORD. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts. "For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, And do not return there, But water the earth, And make it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower And bread to the eater, So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it." (Isaiah 55:8-11 NKJV)
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[OntheDL]

3ABN has been taken over by Amazing Facts.

Any kind of discipline will have to come from Danny Shelton's local church. I haven't heard anything word on that one way or another.

 

[honorthesabbath]

DL--I thought AF backed out of that deal!

 

[thecountrydoc]

TIME OUT!!!

The Facts Are:

1. Danny Shelton is not, and never was, employed by the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

2. Danny Shelton has been replaced by Pastor Jim Gilly as the president and general manager of 3ABN.

3. Above the 3ABN's management is a board of directors which have the final say in the operation of 3ABN. If you want a list of the board members contact Jim Gilly at 3ABN, www.3abn.org

4. Pastor Doug Batchelor of Amazing Facts was approached by Danny Shelton, on behalf of 3ABN, with an offer for Amazing Facts to take over 3ABN and Pastor Batchelor to assume the role of president and G.M. of 3ABN. Pastor Batchelor and the staff of Amazing Facts decided not to accept the offer and the offer was withdrawn prior to Pastor Jim Gilly taking over as president and G.M. of 3ABN.

5. 3ABN is definately not washed-up. They are broadcasting in 214 countries with a current total of 7 satellites and plans to add more. 3ABN has also developed the sister networks of 3ABN Russia, 3ABN Austraila, 3ABN Latino, 3ABN Raido.

6. If you support 3ABN with a donation your contribution is a tax exempt donation for you to claim. 3ABN provides reciepts for that purpose and your convience.

7. For those of you who do not get 3ABN on a local chanel, cable network, or sattellite dish, you can get live streaming of all programing, including 3ABN Radio, on-line at www.3abn.org .

I hope this information will be helpful.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[k4c]

TIME OUT!!!

The Facts Are:

1. Danny Shelton is not, and never was, employed by the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

2. Danny Shelton has been replaced by Pastor Jim Gilly as the president and general manager of 3ABN.

3. Above the 3ABN's management is a board of directors which have the final say in the operation of 3ABN. If you want a list of the board members contact Jim Gilly at 3ABN, www.3abn.org

4. Pastor Doug Batchelor of Amazing Facts was approached by Danny Shelton, on behalf of 3ABN, with an offer for Amazing Facts to take over 3ABN and Pastor Batchelor to assume the role of president and G.M. of 3ABN. Pastor Batchelor and the staff of Amazing Facts decided not to accept the offer and the offer was withdrawn prior to Pastor Jim Gilly taking over as president and G.M. of 3ABN.

5. 3ABN is definately not washed-up. They are broadcasting in 214 countries with a current total of 7 satellites and plans to add more. 3ABN has also developed the sister networks of 3ABN Russia, 3ABN Austraila, 3ABN Latino, 3ABN Raido.

6. If you support 3ABN with a donation your contribution is a tax exempt donation for you to claim. 3ABN provides reciepts for that purpose and your convience.

7. For those of you who do not get 3ABN on a local chanel, cable network, or sattellite dish, you can get live streaming of all programing, including 3ABN Radio, on-line at www.3abn.org .

I hope this information will be helpful.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

Thanks Doc,

What are your thoughts with someone living outside of God's will while serving and financialy prospering in a ministry?

Matthew 5:32 "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

Also, what was the reason for firing Lina from 3ABN?

 

[cesty]

Thanks Doc,

What are your thoughts with someone living outside of God's will while serving and financialy prospering in a ministry?

Matthew 5:32 "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

Also, what was the reason for firing Lina from 3ABN?

I really don't think that it is appropriate to point fingers here and bring people to public shame. It doesn't do anything good for the church; nor does it edify the person who is being accused.

Unless we are willing to disclose our own sins publicly we shouldn't be emphasizing the sins of others.

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:1-5 NKJV)

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hi k4c,

Your question:

"What are your thoughts with someone living outside of God's will while serving and financialy prospering in a ministry?"

There could easily be a book written to attempt to answer your question. My normal reaction would be to say it should never happen.

That being said however in the case of Danny Shelton and 3ABN I should say just a couple things that must be kept in mind.

The first thing that must be remembered is that no one other than Danny, Linda, and God who know all the facts relating to exactly what happened to set the wheels in motion that caused all this mess. And it doesn't matter which co-respondant you talk to they have their own side of the story. With that in mind it is my opinion that no one other than God is qualified to pass judgement on either party.

What the 3ABN board of directors did do was use their best judgment on how to handle a bad situation with the facts that were given to them. For me to say more would not be appropiate.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[k4c]

I really don't think that it is appropriate to point fingers here and bring people to public shame. It doesn't do anything good for the church; nor does it edify the person who is being accused.

Unless we are willing to disclose our own sins publicly we shouldn't be emphasizing the sins of others.

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:1-5 NKJV)

So what you're saying is if I was committing adultry with your wife and preaching in your church you wouldn't have a problem with that?

Maybe I'm a practicing homosexual singing in your church choir and teaching Sabbath school, would that be okay too?

Or maybe I divorced my wife because we didn't get along and married another would it be okay to preach in your church or maybe lead your Pathfinders?

What does God say?

1 Corinthians 5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles that a man has his father's wife!...5. and cast out this man from the fellowship of the church and into Satan's hands, to punish him, in the hope that his soul will be saved when our Lord Jesus Christ returns.

There has to be repentence.

 

[k4c]

Hi k4c,

Your question:There could easily be a book written to attempt to answer your question. My normal reaction would be to say it should never happen.

That being said however in the case of Danny Shelton and 3ABN I should say just a couple things that must be kept in mind.

The first thing that must be remembered is that no one other than Danny, Linda, and God who know all the facts relating to exactly what happened to set the wheels in motion that caused all this mess. And it doesn't matter which co-respondant you talk to they have their own side of the story. With that in mind it is my opinion that no one other than God is qualified to pass judgement on either party.

What the 3ABN board of directors did do was use their best judgment on how to handle a bad situation with the facts that were given to them. For me to say more would not be appropiate.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

Amen to the book...they would probably call it, "War and Peace".

I guess there is no easy way around things when the higher ups act outside of God's will. I just find it hard to see someone singing praises to God and serving in the Name of Jesus all the while they dumped their marriage leaving the door open to married another. It's one thing to walk away from the marriage commitment and then stay unmarried but it's a whole nother thing to remarrie.

 

[cesty]

So what you're saying is if I was committing adultry with your wife and preaching in your church you wouldn't have a problem with that?

Maybe I'm a practicing homosexual singing in your church choir and teaching Sabbath school, would that be okay too?

Or maybe I divorced my wife because we didn't get along and married another would it be okay to preach in your church or maybe lead your Pathfinders?

What does God say?

1 Corinthians 5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles that a man has his father's wife!...5. and cast out this man from the fellowship of the church and into Satan's hands, to punish him, in the hope that his soul will be saved when our Lord Jesus Christ returns.

There has to be repentence.

You know full well that I didn't mean to imply that!

You are publicly shaming someone whom you don't even know for sure is guilty of the things that you are accusing him of. Moreover, even if he is guilty of what you say, you don't know whether he has made things right with God or not; nor do you have the right to cast stones at others.

Have you spoken to Danny yourself? Have you tried to help him through this? What are you doing here to try to edify him? Are you helping the church by doing what you are doing here or are you creating more problems within it?

I think you need to back off. For you don't know what you are up against; but you will soon find out if you persist in taking this course. God does not look lightly upon hypocrisy.

 

[RND]

Should we throw out the Bible because of Moshe's behavior? David's? Maybe Peter's? How about Paul's? Point is that if anyone is waiting for Christianity, let alone Adventism, to become perfect before committing then they'll be waiting until Jesus returns and then it will be too late.

 

[k4c]

You know full well that I didn't mean to imply that!

You are publicly shaming someone whom you don't even know for sure is guilty of the things that you are accusing him of. Moreover, even if he is guilty of what you say, you don't know whether he has made things right with God or not; nor do you have the right to cast stones at others.

Have you spoken to Danny yourself? Have you tried to help him through this? What are you doing here to try to edify him? Are you helping the church by doing what you are doing here or are you creating more problems within it?

I think you need to back off. For you don't know what you are up against; but you will soon find out if you persist in taking this course. God does not look lightly upon hypocrisy.

Take it easy there big guy I'm only asking questions here and you're attacking and condeming me for it. If you're going to be the forum police maybe you need to do a little more investigating and a little less condeming. This is the first I'm hearing all this.

 

[k4c]

Should we throw out the Bible because of Moshe's behavior? David's? Maybe Peter's? How about Paul's? Point is that if anyone is waiting for Christianity, let alone Adventism, to become perfect before committing then they'll be waiting until Jesus returns and then it will be too late.

I have a non-adventist family that just came to see the Sabbath. We started fellowshiping on Friday nights. We were watching the Ken Cox series when the wife notice it was filmed at 3ABN. She attended school with Linda Shelton and heard about all she went through. She was questioning whether she wanted continue hearing anything that came from 3ABN. This was all new to me so I'm asking questions here and getting attacked for it. I guess I'll just make something up.

 

[Stryder06]

I have a non-adventist family that just came to see the Sabbath. We started fellowshiping on Friday nights. We were watching the Ken Cox series when the wife notice it was filmed at 3ABN. She attended school with Linda Shelton and heard about all she went through. She was questioning whether she wanted continue hearing anything that came from 3ABN. This was all new to me so I'm asking questions here and getting attacked for it. I guess I'll just make something up.

K4C, the fact of the matter is that no one is perfect. To discredit an entire ministry for the shortcomings of an individual is nothing more than the devil trying to get to the seed before it is firmly planted.

3ABN is a great ministry and is doing alot to help people learn the truth of God's word. You should encourage your friend to continue studying the bible and watching their programs. God will judge, and we can leave it at that.

Even Jesus allowed Judas to hang around for those 3.5 years of His ministry knowing full well that he would betray Him. You don't ever hear Him telling people not to listen to His message because the son of perdition was in His midst.

 

[cesty]

Take it easy there big guy I'm only asking questions here and you're attacking and condeming me for it. If you're going to be the forum police maybe you need to do a little more investigating and a little less condeming. This is the first I'm hearing all this.

I'm not attacking anyone. I just simply responded to you by telling you that it isn't appropriate to bring this up in this kind of setting (publicly). And if you really want advice on this then why don't you just ask your pastor?

Again, a personal issue like this should not be disclosed in a public forum. Not without the consent of the person who is being accused. This is a private matter. And we should respect the privacy of others. I realize that it has gone public; but that doesn't mean the people who publicized it were right for doing so. Stuff like this should be handled in the church. Not announced on the Internet for all the world to see.

 

[RND]

I have a non-adventist family that just came to see the Sabbath. We started fellowshiping on Friday nights. We were watching the Ken Cox series when the wife notice it was filmed at 3ABN. She attended school with Linda Shelton and heard about all she went through. She was questioning whether she wanted continue hearing anything that came from 3ABN. This was all new to me so I'm asking questions here and getting attacked for it. I guess I'll just make something up.

You weren't being attacked, least of all by me. I just asked some simple questions. Maybe you could ask those questions to your new convert friends.

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hi to k4c and everyone else who has posted to, or read, this thread.

I'm really sorry that your friend was upset by seeing that the program was produced by 3ABN. I won't take the time or space right now to explain the "hows" or "whys" a person may react as your friend did but if you would like to explore that topic please feel free to contact me directly.

In a previous response said:

"I guess there is no easy way around things when the higher ups act outside of God's will. I just find it hard to see someone singing praises to God and serving in the Name of Jesus all the while they dumped their marriage leaving the door open to married another. It's one thing to walk away from the marriage commitment and then stay unmarried but it's a whole nother thing to remarrie."

You will notice that I have highlited a portion of your post. No matter what anyone may think or feel about what has transpired at 3ABN over the last few years, I must say that Danny has never considered himself to be one of "the higher ups." Do I know what you mean? You'd better believe it!

For those who don't know the history of 3ABN let me share a bit of background.

Danny Shelton was a carpenter who felt that there should be a televison station devoted to the 3 Angel's Message. He knew absolutely nothing about building a television station let alone the world of broadcasting. The story of what transpired from that point is far too long to post here but it is clear that God was at the helm. Danny will be the first to admit that he had no idea what it would take, both in terms of time and money, to build and run a TV station. As you can see today, even with no background in broadcasting, or formal education, the dream has indeed come true. Souls are being reached that could not have been reached in anyother way. Pray that God will continue to bless 3ABN so we may finish the work we have been given to do quickly.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc