Curious About ISR---The Scriptures Bible

[MarsHill]

Please know that I am not criticizing the Bible marketed by the Institute for Scripture Reasearch entitled The Scriptures. My question is exploratory in nature.
Many Messianics consider this to be a noteworthy and accurate translation. I'm trying to discover the general consensus here concerning this translation. As a Messianic have you found it to be highly accurate, moderately accurate, or not even close? Is it a translation worthy of study or have we embraced it strictly because it has been marketed to Messianics and we have accepted it without question as being reliable?

I am very interested in the translation and do not have an opinion one way or the other. I am interested in the thoughts of users concerning this Bible.

If someone has a scholarly opinion/review that they do not want to post please PM me or email me. I can respect your privacy concerning the matter.

Thank you.

 

[plum]

I have not even heard of it, honestly....

 

[visionary]

Me neither.... are you looking for a transliteration?

 

[MattyJames]

I've only used it over online, and so far it seems to be pretty good. But my experiance is very limited.

MJ

 

[thetruthremains]

I've only used it over online, and so far it seems to be pretty good. But my experiance is very limited.

MJ

It is a sacred name translation, and in my opinion it alters doctrine. I would not personally recommend it.

Hebrew roots information:
http://www.seekgod.ca/topichrministries.htm

 

[MattyJames]

It is a sacred name translation, and in my opinion it alters doctrine. I would not personally recommend it.

Interesting. I will certianly keep this in mind.

Thanks TTR,

MJ

 

[thetruthremains]

quote:


http://www.sacrednamemovement.com/JesusZeus2.htm


read the second part titled:

INSTITUTE FOR SCRIPTURE RESEARCH​

TEACHES IT​

 

[Kalanit]

I've never heard of it... Sacred Name? Well, guess I won't be using that version.

 

[Sephania]

Yes, I know of a whole home group that uses it, if you don't have it, they have extras you can read from when doing bible study. I spent a Aviv Pasache with them a few years back. It was an interesting group I must say. They seemed very loving and some were a little scary though. I got into a discussion with the elder and founder about some things they were doing and his answers were quite limited into a certain frame of mind which I could see coming through when the lesson started.

It is a huge book, and frankly I don't like the L-RD name being used so much, it just gave be a check in my spirit and that's all I can say for now, but that reminds me I wanted to start a thread about the name of G-d....................

off I go!

 

[MarsHill]

quote:


http://www.sacrednamemovement.com/JesusZeus2.htm


read the second part titled:

INSTITUTE FOR SCRIPTURE RESEARCH

TEACHES IT​

I have read the article you reference here and understand the position. Their theory may not hold water and the doctrinal theories of other Bible translators may not hold water as well when it comes to their individual works.

Let's set the "Sacred Name" theory aside for a moment. Other than the above mentioned problem with their name idea do you feel that this thought process spills over into other areas of their translation?

Or can we overlook the sacred name idea and consider the rest of The Scriptures worthy of some positive form of study?

If ISR's The Scriptures changes doctrine do we have any specific examples. (I do know that the "stake" vs. "cross" idea is also utilized within the translation.) But, does that change doctrine?

Thanks for the replies so far.

 

[stone]

never heard of it, till now.

 

[thetruthremains]

Let's set the "Sacred Name" theory aside for a moment. Other than the above mentioned problem with their name idea do you feel that this thought process spills over into other areas of their translation?


If ISR's The Scriptures changes doctrine do we have any specific examples. (I do know that the "stake" vs. "cross" idea is also utilized within the translation.) But, does that change doctrine?

Hebrews 8:8 quotes Jeremiah 31:31. Looks like they forgot to 'adjust' that one.

Hebrews 8
8 For finding fault with them, He says, “See, the days are coming,” says יהוה, “when I shall conclude with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah a renewed covenant,

Jeremiah 31
31“See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall make a new covenant with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah.

 

[MarsHill]

Hebrews 8:8 quotes Jeremiah 31:31. Looks like they forgot to 'adjust' that one.

Hebrews 8
8 For finding fault with them, He says, “See, the days are coming,” says יהוה, “when I shall conclude with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah a renewed covenant,

Jeremiah 31
31“See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall make a new covenant with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah.

Thank you. This is the kind of info. I am seeking. As a Messianic why do you have trouble with The Scriptures rendering of Hebrews chapter 8?

 

[thetruthremains]

Thank you. This is the kind of info. I am seeking. As a Messianic why do you have trouble with The Scriptures rendering of Hebrews chapter 8?

One says 'new' while the other says 'renewed'. I would consider that a little inconsistant.

 

[MarsHill]

One says 'new' while the other says 'renewed'. I would consider that a little inconsistant.

That is puzzling. Thanks for pointing this out. I noticed that in their footnote on page 1167 they have this written----Messiah is called the Mediator of the New (Renewed) Covenant in Hebrews, in three places. 8:6, 9:15, 12:24.

That note seems to indicate in a confusing way that new somehow = renewed.

Notice in 12:24 they have "and to Yeshua the Mediator of a new covenant....." I wonder why they did not change new to renewed in this context?

 

[thetruthremains]

Matthew 26:28 ( see also Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20, 1 Corinthians 11:25)

28“For this is My blood, that of the renewed covenant, which is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Mark 2
21“And no one sews a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, otherwise the renewed piece pulls away from the old, and the tear is made worse.

John 13
34“A renewed command I give to you, that you love one another, as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

2 Corinthians 3
6 who also made us competent as servants of a renewed covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit, for the letter kills but the Spirit gives life.

2 Corinthians 5
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Messiah, he is a renewed creature – the old matters have passed away, see, all matters have become renewed!

Galatians 6
15 For in Messiah יהושע neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any strength, but a renewed creature.

Ephesians 2
15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity – the Torah of the commands in dogma – so as to create in Himself one renewed man from the two, thus making peace,

Ephesians 4
23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
24 and that you put on the renewed man which was created according to Elohim, in righteousness and set-apartness of the truth.

Hebrews 9
15 And because of this He is the Mediator of a renewed covenant, so that, death having taken place for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, those who are called might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance

Revelation 21
1 And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more.





How can you renew what has passed away?

 

[MarsHill]

Matthew 26:28 ( see also Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20, 1 Corinthians 11:25)

28“For this is My blood, that of the renewed covenant, which is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Mark 2
21“And no one sews a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, otherwise the renewed piece pulls away from the old, and the tear is made worse.

John 13
34“A renewed command I give to you, that you love one another, as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

2 Corinthians 3
6 who also made us competent as servants of a renewed covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit, for the letter kills but the Spirit gives life.

2 Corinthians 5
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Messiah, he is a renewed creature – the old matters have passed away, see, all matters have become renewed!

Galatians 6
15 For in Messiah יהושע neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any strength, but a renewed creature.

Ephesians 2
15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity – the Torah of the commands in dogma – so as to create in Himself one renewed man from the two, thus making peace,

Ephesians 4
23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
24 and that you put on the renewed man which was created according to Elohim, in righteousness and set-apartness of the truth.

Hebrews 9
15 And because of this He is the Mediator of a renewed covenant, so that, death having taken place for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, those who are called might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance

Revelation 21
1 And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more.





How can you renew what has passed away?

They like the word "renewed" don't they?

Maybe they are looking at the word differently than we normally do.

Webster's definition of "Renew"--- 1)To make new or as if new again, make young, fresh, or strong again; bring back into good condition.
2)To cause to exist again; reestablish, revive 3)To being again; take up again; say again; repeat

To become new or as new again; be renewed. Or to being again. Start over.

Syn. Renew-the most direct but also the broadest term. implying a making new again by replacing what is old, worn, exhausted, etc.

 

[thetruthremains]

They like the word "renewed" don't they?

Maybe they are looking at the word differently than we normally do.

Actually, they like looking at it differently than the majority of language scholars do. The problem being, that they do not list the translator/translators of their version and their credentials. I personally feel that the 'translation' is theologically biased, and incorrect contextually in reference to the original languages.

 

[Sephania]

Is this online somewhere?

 

[thetruthremains]

Is this online somewhere?

I think that it is, but I do not have a link. I have a copy.