Commentary: Why No Christian Should Vote for Donald Trump

[Fantine]

MSN

Yes, many Christians, including me, are voting against Project 2025, Republicans, and Donald Trump because of our Christian beliefs, and are so tired of having Trump supporters lecture to us about prioritizing one or two divisive issues and going to hell if we don't agree with them.

I never lecture to any of them. I disagree with them, strongly, but feel that they are convinced by authoritarian preachers who don't give enough priority in their preaching to the numerous other priorities that Republicans neglect--or actively work against.

So I'm letting someone preach here on this thread to bring some balance to everyone's Christian beliefs,

 

[RileyG]

I'm a devout Christian. I'm voting for Trump.

No true scotsman, eh?

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

MSN

Yes, many Christians, including me, are voting against Project 2025, Republicans, and Donald Trump because of our Christian beliefs, and are so tired of having Trump supporters lecture to us about prioritizing one or two divisive issues and going to hell if we don't agree with them.

I never lecture to any of them. I disagree with them, strongly, but feel that they are convinced by authoritarian preachers who don't give enough priority in their preaching to the numerous other priorities that Republicans neglect--or actively work against.

So I'm letting someone preach here on this thread to bring some balance to everyone's Christian beliefs,

Many Christians will vote for Trump so Democrats don't win, who are heavily pro-abortion, pro lgbtq etc.

 

[mourningdove~]

So I'm letting someone preach here on this thread to bring some balance to everyone's Christian beliefs,

The article you've presented isn't 'balanced'. It's written by a progressive:

Opinion by Joel A. Bowman Sr., Progressive Perspectives

Rev. Joel A. Bowman Sr., a native of Detroit, has served as a pastor in Louisville, Kentucky for more than 25 years. He is also a licensed clinical social worker with more than 30 years of experience as a mental health clinician. This column was produced for Progressive Perspectives, a project of The Progressive magazine, and distributed by Tribune News Service.

 

[Fantine]

I didn't say the article was "balanced." I am happy that the three respondents have opened their minds to other Christian perspectives about thereal Gospel message of Jesus and the many ways in which Republican policy diverges from it.

My purpose in posting the article is to show that many Christians believe progressive policy more closely resembles the Jesus of the Gospels who spent far more time teaching us how to live and was not too happy with people whose religiosity was concerned mostly with telling others what they shouldn't do.

There is not one "right" way for Christians to vote. I look at how Jesus showed love, forgiveness, and mercy to all...with the exception of those who embraced legalism to condemn others' behavior.

 

[ozso]

I didn't say the article was "balanced." I am happy that the three respondents have opened their minds to other Christian perspectives about thereal Gospel message of Jesus and the many ways in which Republican policy diverges from it.

My purpose in posting the article is to show that many Christians believe progressive policy more closely resembles the Jesus of the Gospels who spent far more time teaching us how to live and was not too happy with people whose religiosity was concerned mostly with telling others what they shouldn't do.

There is not one "right" way for Christians to vote. I look at how Jesus showed love, forgiveness, and mercy to all...with the exception of those who embraced legalism to condemn others' behavior.

There's the new age liberal humanistic version of Jesus vs the traditional biblical version of Jesus. The former appeals to Christians who want to live in and support secular worldliness without feeling conviction. Where Jesus is basically like a hippie love guru.

 

[Fantine]

There's the new age liberal humanistic version of Jesus vs the traditional biblical version of Jesus. The former appeals to Christians who want to live in and support secular worldliness without feeling conviction. Where Jesus is basically like a hippie love guru.

Fundamentalists interpret the Bible literally, but many other denominations use 21st century insights.
But we are not even talking about that. We are talking about exactly what Jesus said and did. That's what you have ignored.

 

[ozso]

Fundamentalists interpret the Bible literally, but many other denominations use 21st century insights.
But we are not even talking about that. We are talking about exactly what Jesus said and did. That's what you have ignored.

It's looking at what Jesus did and said in a selective subjective way. Cherry picking what seems to support freewheeling liberalism and carnality, while dismissing the so-called "clobber verses" like the ones calling for holiness and obedience - and I'm speaking from the perspective of Catholocism. Real Catholocism, not the new age rainbow version.

 

[Postvieww]

MSN

Yes, many Christians, including me, are voting against Project 2025, Republicans, and Donald Trump because of our Christian beliefs, and are so tired of having Trump supporters lecture to us about prioritizing one or two divisive issues and going to hell if we don't agree with them.

I never lecture to any of them. I disagree with them, strongly, but feel that they are convinced by authoritarian preachers who don't give enough priority in their preaching to the numerous other priorities that Republicans neglect--or actively work against.

So I'm letting someone preach here on this thread to bring some balance to everyone's Christian beliefs,

I do not believe you will go to hell for not agreeing with common sense, good policies that actually live up to the constitution, but I would never attend your church.

 

[RileyG]

I didn't say the article was "balanced." I am happy that the three respondents have opened their minds to other Christian perspectives about thereal Gospel message of Jesus and the many ways in which Republican policy diverges from it.

My purpose in posting the article is to show that many Christians believe progressive policy more closely resembles the Jesus of the Gospels who spent far more time teaching us how to live and was not too happy with people whose religiosity was concerned mostly with telling others what they shouldn't do.

There is not one "right" way for Christians to vote. I look at how Jesus showed love, forgiveness, and mercy to all...with the exception of those who embraced legalism to condemn others' behavior.

Yes. That is entirely fair, and in my humble opinion, neither party actually models what Christianity teaches.

Blessings

 

[rjs330]

I didn't say the article was "balanced." I am happy that the three respondents have opened their minds to other Christian perspectives about thereal Gospel message of Jesus and the many ways in which Republican policy diverges from it.

My purpose in posting the article is to show that many Christians believe progressive policy more closely resembles the Jesus of the Gospels who spent far more time teaching us how to live and was not too happy with people whose religiosity was concerned mostly with telling others what they shouldn't do.

There is not one "right" way for Christians to vote. I look at how Jesus showed love, forgiveness, and mercy to all...with the exception of those who embraced legalism to condemn others' behavior.

The progressives are incorrect. Jesus told us all how to live and told everyone to repent. He told us all what we should do AND what we shouldn't do.

Progrsseives celebrate sinful behaviors instead of mourning how it separates us from God. Jesus did love. He loved without condoning and preached the need for repentance all the while loving the lost. He ONLY shows mercy to those who ask for forgiveness. He only shows forgiveness to those who believe in him. The includes Republicans and Democrats.

It is NOT religiosity to preach that all men are lost and all men need Jesus. We ALL need Jesus.

There are good values on BOTH sides. There is wickedness on BOTH sides.

But only one party not only condones wickedness, but it celebrates it and pursues it.

 

[RileyG]

The progressives are incorrect. Jesus told us all how to live and told everyone to repent. He told us all what we should do AND what we shouldn't do.

Progrsseives celebrate sinful behaviors instead of mourning how it separates us from God. Jesus did love. He loved without condoning and preached the need for repentance all the while loving the lost. He ONLY shows mercy to those who ask for forgiveness.

It is NOT religiosity to preach that all men are lost and all men need Jesus. We ALL need Jesus.

There are good values on BOTH sides. There is wickedness on BOTH sides.

Amen!

 

[BCP1928]

Well, Trump sounds like the devil himself. Now let's see why no Christian should vote for Harris.

Yes, I'm going to say abortion is one. The Bible clearly states murder is wrong. Jesus affirmed it. And guess what, Harris supports the murder of the unborn and supports forcing Christians to do abortions, killing the unborn.

Harris supports harming children. She supports allowing children to be harmed through transgender medicalization. This directly goes against the teaching of scripture of harming the little ones.

Harris supports rhe wickedness of the lgbtq agenda. Scripture tells us we are to be salt and light to the world and rebuke the works of darkness.

Harris is a facist. She has actively participated and her party participates.
in things that they accuse Trump of wanting to do.

She is against freedom of speech.

She is a liar and bares false witness on others.

If you go through Roman's 1 you will find that Harris and her party supports and participates in many of those things.

My point here is to NOT say Trump.is better than Harris. The truth is, as individuals they are equally flawed. Neither one is a Christian example. Both are sinners and have done and still do things that are unbiblical and against the teaching of Christ.

Neither one deserves the Chriatian vote if we are just voting for a person who supports the Christian values.

But we are voting for an agenda. A nationwide agenda for the future. And it's clear that the Democratic Party's agenda not only is very unchria
stian, it is anti-chriatian and it is against the Costitution and many of rhe ammendments in the Bill.of Rights.

I think I needed to.provide some balance to your unbalanced article.

I was not aware that Harris supported forced abortions.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

I was not aware that Harris supported forced abortions.

Not at all. It's situational, like if the fetus is a threat to a mother's life. A pregnant woman died because the new law. She couldn't even though her baby was dead in her already.

 

[o_mlly]

... are so tired of having Trump supporters lecture to us about prioritizing one or two divisive issues and going to hell if we don't agree with them.

And how do you so easily dismiss Catholic teaching from our Pope and bishops on those divisive issues?

Pope: U.S. presidential election a choice between ‘the lesser evil’

Speaking aboard the papal plane, Pope Francis encouraged U.S. Catholics to vote with their conscience in the upcoming Nov. 5 election.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

The pope went on to say that the science supports that life begins at conception, adding that although people may not like to use the word “kill” when discussing the topic, abortion is “murder.” ... “Sending migrants away, not letting them develop, not letting them have life, is a bad and nasty thing. Sending a baby away from its mother’s breast is a murder because there is life. On these things, we must speak plainly,” he said.​

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In their updated voters guide, the U.S. bishops state: “The threat of abortion remains our preeminent priority because it directly attacks our most vulnerable and voiceless brothers and sisters and destroys more than a million lives per year in our country alone.”​

We are taught to choose the lesser of two evils. One is bad and nasty; the other is murder.

 

[wing2000]

The progressives are incorrect. Jesus told us all how to live and told everyone to repent. He told us all what we should do AND what we shouldn't do.

Yet, today in America, a vast majority of Evangelicals pay no attention to the Sermon on the Mount. Or the words of Jesus imploring us to love our enemies. Or to care for the least of these.

Instead, we see many supporting a political narrative that is based on attacking people who are different than us:
- people fleeing from other countries
- people of different sexual persuasion
- people with different political beliefs

Jesus never gave such instruction.

 

[o_mlly]

people of different sexual persuasion

Jesus affirms the Mosaic law that prohibits homosexuality:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill."​

Matthew 5:17

 

[Fantine]

And how do you so easily dismiss Catholic teaching from our Pope and bishops on those divisive issues?

Pope: U.S. presidential election a choice between ‘the lesser evil’

Speaking aboard the papal plane, Pope Francis encouraged U.S. Catholics to vote with their conscience in the upcoming Nov. 5 election.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

The pope went on to say that the science supports that life begins at conception, adding that although people may not like to use the word “kill” when discussing the topic, abortion is “murder.” ... “Sending migrants away, not letting them develop, not letting them have life, is a bad and nasty thing. Sending a baby away from its mother’s breast is a murder because there is life. On these things, we must speak plainly,” he said.​

​

In their updated voters guide, the U.S. bishops state: “The threat of abortion remains our preeminent priority because it directly attacks our most vulnerable and voiceless brothers and sisters and destroys more than a million lives per year in our country alone.”​

We are taught to choose the lesser of two evils. One is bad and nasty; the other is murder.

Thank you for sharing your moral interpretation. But do punitive laws stop abortion, or do policies that alleviate poverty, provide affordable Healthcare, give tax credits to new parents instead of millionaires have a more positive effect? No one wants abortions. That's a Republican myth.

Let's address the root causes of abortion.

I am a thou shalt and I shalt kind of Catholic...not spending my time judging and legislating others.

 

[Fantine]

Jesus affirms the Mosaic law that prohibits homosexuality:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill."​

Matthew 5:17

Jesus also told the men about to stone a woman for a sexual sin that only the sinless should cast the first stone.
I believe that can be said of LGBTQ as well.
Jesus was too busy healing and forgiving to cast stones--so turn away and work on emulating his wisdom.

 

[o_mlly]

Thank you for sharing your moral interpretation.

? They are not mine. Perhaps you missed the attribution to the Pope and the US bishops.

No one wants abortions. That's a Republican myth.

? You are badly informed. Rather wanting abortions is a Democrat reality. Read Harris' platform on abortion.

I am a thou shalt and I shalt kind of Catholic...not spending my time judging and legislating others

I think you forgot the word "not" as it applies to, "Thou shalt not kill." We do not judge others, only their acts. Abortion is murder.

Jesus also told the men about to stone a woman for a sexual sin that only the sinless should cast the first stone.
I believe that can be said of LGBTQ as well.
Jesus was too busy healing and forgiving to cast stones

? Then you reject Jesus' teaching affirming the Mosaic Law regarding LGBTQ acts as immoral?