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Hello! Yesterday, as I was with the man I am dating, he was frustrated with me. He told me that it seemed that everything I said to him was argumentative. For example, he was trying to explain why I should get a certain credit card and told me the benefits. I immediately told him why I didn’t want it. Also, when he told me about my being argumentative, I immediately started defending myself. The problem is, I do not feel like I am being hostile or argumentative. Most of the time, I feel like I am just peacefully sharing my opinion. He pointed out that I am contrary in almost every response I give to him, and as I was thinking over our conversations, I am.

This is extremely discouraging because I fear that this has become completely second-nature to me. I hadn’t even realized it until he told me. I realize it is true, and I do not want to have such an argumentative nature. I am not only like this with him. I grew up in a family that argued all the time, so I feel like it is deeply ingrained in me. My close friends do not point this out, maybe because they have known me for so long, but I have been told this by another man I dated and my family. After he pointed this out, I tried to be very careful with my words, and intentionally filtering myself, but it is very difficult. Does anyone have any advice on ways I can stop being so disagreeable and argumentative?
Thank you so much!
 

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It's kind of like a swearing habit, or a spitting habit, the body becomes addicted to the strangest things. Such as arguing just because.

The first step is to catch yourself doing it, after that it can be treated like any other addiction.

Remember to pray a lot when dealing with it.
 
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Hello! Yesterday, as I was with the man I am dating, he was frustrated with me. He told me that it seemed that everything I said to him was argumentative. For example, he was trying to explain why I should get a certain credit card and told me the benefits. I immediately told him why I didn’t want it. Also, when he told me about my being argumentative, I immediately started defending myself. The problem is, I do not feel like I am being hostile or argumentative. Most of the time, I feel like I am just peacefully sharing my opinion. He pointed out that I am contrary in almost every response I give to him, and as I was thinking over our conversations, I am.

This is extremely discouraging because I fear that this has become completely second-nature to me. I hadn’t even realized it until he told me. I realize it is true, and I do not want to have such an argumentative nature. I am not only like this with him. I grew up in a family that argued all the time, so I feel like it is deeply ingrained in me. My close friends do not point this out, maybe because they have known me for so long, but I have been told this by another man I dated and my family. After he pointed this out, I tried to be very careful with my words, and intentionally filtering myself, but it is very difficult. Does anyone have any advice on ways I can stop being so disagreeable and argumentative?
Thank you so much!
Welcome to CF. You are not argumentative, some men just don't want to hear a woman's opinion. I would pass on him if I were you. Its a trait that will never change.
Be blessed
 
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Being aware of a characteristic is the first step towards turning things around. You might even make a game out of trying to cut down, For example, if you tell your friend that you will only comment on every other statement. As you try to implement this it could be a source of humor.
 
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Welcome to Christian Forums. :)

Don't be too hard on yourself. I think you are half way there to solving your argumentative problem just by recognizing it exists. Having good self esteem can also go a long ways to dampen the urge to always have your say. When you feel confident, it is easy to let others say things that may not be 100% correct. You can just take it as their opinion and respond in a friendly way. No reason to set people straight on trivial matters.

The Lord is with you and He is your strength.
 
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Hello! Yesterday, as I was with the man I am dating, he was frustrated with me. He told me that it seemed that everything I said to him was argumentative. For example, he was trying to explain why I should get a certain credit card and told me the benefits. I immediately told him why I didn’t want it. Also, when he told me about my being argumentative, I immediately started defending myself. The problem is, I do not feel like I am being hostile or argumentative. Most of the time, I feel like I am just peacefully sharing my opinion. He pointed out that I am contrary in almost every response I give to him, and as I was thinking over our conversations, I am.

This is extremely discouraging because I fear that this has become completely second-nature to me. I hadn’t even realized it until he told me. I realize it is true, and I do not want to have such an argumentative nature. I am not only like this with him. I grew up in a family that argued all the time, so I feel like it is deeply ingrained in me. My close friends do not point this out, maybe because they have known me for so long, but I have been told this by another man I dated and my family. After he pointed this out, I tried to be very careful with my words, and intentionally filtering myself, but it is very difficult. Does anyone have any advice on ways I can stop being so disagreeable and argumentative?
Thank you so much!
1. Beware of being stepped on by a person who is very controlling. A person who will not allow you to have an opinion that differs from his. AT THE SAME time don't BE THAT PERSON who will not allow your friend to have HIS opinion that differs from yours.

That is a two-edged sword and it will hurt you both ways.

2. In essentials you MUST defend the right thing to do and show good reasons for it. Ones that you have followed in detail. Even so - be willing to detect if in fact you are in error.

But for non-essentials, grace, silence and patience is a good "first response". Even if you are right -- give the other person time to think it through a bit on their own without cutting them off.
 
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The best remedy for arguing I’ve found is just to keep on arguing, and then you’ll realize what is worth arguing about. Your brain will realize what is a pointless argument that will go nowhere and what is a sensible matter that must be addressed in the correct manner that you can actually win. Apparently you have a natural talent for the art of informal debate, so just learn the rest of the skill and learn to enjoy it.

The fact that this dude is trying to sell you a credit card is suspect anyway. Him insulting you after you refused his offer is even more suspect, because dating scams are a thing. Your debating abilities probably are saving you from a bad relationship.

Edit: I should say that men who are good debating partners are bad husbands, and guys who complain about their women speaking their mind are even worse husbands. What you want is a man who cares about your thoughts and feelings and is willing to consider your perspective. Otherwise you are likely just going to feel walked over a lot. Debating a man can be thrilling, but that is not love. Just thought I would save you some of my suffering I’ve had over the past decade.

And some women expect men to read their minds, so the fact that you’re willing to communicate honestly is something some men would really appreciate.
 
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Maybe you will want to be on the same page when you get married. But I wouldn’t marry a too argumentative person. My neighbors divorced- argued to much. A liberated woman is not going to let any man tell her what to do. Fine if you want to be alone. But I wouldn’t marry one, I would discuss your disagreeable opinions too for awhile. I like agreeable people but also go a long way to be agreeable. I hate to argue. Maybe he is threatened by your opinions, maybe youre not submissive.
 
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Hello! Yesterday, as I was with the man I am dating, he was frustrated with me. He told me that it seemed that everything I said to him was argumentative. For example, he was trying to explain why I should get a certain credit card and told me the benefits. I immediately told him why I didn’t want it. Also, when he told me about my being argumentative, I immediately started defending myself. The problem is, I do not feel like I am being hostile or argumentative. Most of the time, I feel like I am just peacefully sharing my opinion. He pointed out that I am contrary in almost every response I give to him, and as I was thinking over our conversations, I am.

This is extremely discouraging because I fear that this has become completely second-nature to me. I hadn’t even realized it until he told me. I realize it is true, and I do not want to have such an argumentative nature. I am not only like this with him. I grew up in a family that argued all the time, so I feel like it is deeply ingrained in me. My close friends do not point this out, maybe because they have known me for so long, but I have been told this by another man I dated and my family. After he pointed this out, I tried to be very careful with my words, and intentionally filtering myself, but it is very difficult. Does anyone have any advice on ways I can stop being so disagreeable and argumentative?
Thank you so much!

I would get into the habit of listening to what people have to say. Don't immediately respond. Instead thank them for their opinion and tell them you will think about it. Then go away and think and pray about it, and if you still strongly disagree, you can go back later and thank them again for their opinion and state that you have given it some thought, prayed about it, searched the scriptures, however, you disagree with them and here are the reasons why...at least then you have shown you have given consideration to what they have said to you. It shows courtesy and that even if you do strongly disagree, you have shown them that you have put value on what they have said in having gone away and thought about it.

Its good to even sleep on it, by the time the next day comes, any emotion involved will likely have dissipated and you can look at what has been said just as a matter of fact. When you get to the point of going back on a point to discuss it with a friend, you will automatically consider whether it is an important enough point to go back to bring up with your friend again. If it is not, you will just drop it so as not to appear petty. Doing this will help you filter out issues of little importance.

Some things are not worthwhile debating about. A lot of people just want someone to listen to them. So choose what you really think is worthwhile getting into a debate about - contentious arguments are to be avoided (2 Timothy 2:24). Otherwise, just being a listening ear to someone is the mark of a friend.

I think an argumentative spirit may come from a place of pride and thinking your always right, and it means your not putting much value on other people's opinions. You don't want to be known as a contentious woman. (Proverbs 21:19, Proverbs 27:15, Proverbs 21:9, Proverbs 25:24)

This man seems more like a faithful friend to point this out to you (Proverbs 27:6). Men probably feel this more, though, no doubt, other people pick on our character flaws.

Well done for recognising this character flaw, that in itself is a credit to you as it is hard to see our own character flaws - we all have them! Pray for God's grace to change you and make you more like His beloved Son.
 
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If expressing the same opinion results in repeating one's self, (also referred to as nagging) it is the opposite of submissive behavior. It is basically telling the other person what to do.
 
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I would get a second and third opinion. (and fourth lol) You don't sound very disagreeable to me in your post at all.

You actually sound very compromising and understanding, but with strong opinions.

Your friends may not need your approval, and the dating partners may feel a strong need for approval. (from you, your opinions)

I don't want to assume or assert anything about your dates or relationships, but I don't think anything is wrong with you.

Don't be too quickly changed by people you have not known very long. Let them earn your trust, your devotion, and your love by showing it themselves also.

Things take time, and I think that is what is needed here. I am assuming your friends have had time to get to know you.

Maybe these people don't know you very well yet, and maybe you don't know them very well just yet.

Just remember there is no need rushing anything. Rushing decisions and big commitments can lead to disappointment.

Give it time and prayer. PUSH - Pray Until Something Happens. God will guide.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions that you are the problem or that your way of conversing is problematic.
 
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Hello! Yesterday, as I was with the man I am dating, he was frustrated with me. He told me that it seemed that everything I said to him was argumentative. For example, he was trying to explain why I should get a certain credit card and told me the benefits. I immediately told him why I didn’t want it. Also, when he told me about my being argumentative, I immediately started defending myself. The problem is, I do not feel like I am being hostile or argumentative. Most of the time, I feel like I am just peacefully sharing my opinion. He pointed out that I am contrary in almost every response I give to him, and as I was thinking over our conversations, I am.

This is extremely discouraging because I fear that this has become completely second-nature to me. I hadn’t even realized it until he told me. I realize it is true, and I do not want to have such an argumentative nature. I am not only like this with him. I grew up in a family that argued all the time, so I feel like it is deeply ingrained in me. My close friends do not point this out, maybe because they have known me for so long, but I have been told this by another man I dated and my family. After he pointed this out, I tried to be very careful with my words, and intentionally filtering myself, but it is very difficult. Does anyone have any advice on ways I can stop being so disagreeable and argumentative?
Thank you so much!
Pick your battles wisely is a start. Some things are not worth the effort. Arguing just for the sake of someone to be right is typically not very productive. Secondly, you do not want a man that can be overrun easily by your wishes. If he is frustrated, make sure you both have communicated the issue that is one the table and let him know that you are on his side. God bless.
 
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Several things to unpack here. But this struck me.

@KateMae1023 you said..

He pointed out that I am contrary in almost every response I give to him....

It could be as simple as the two of you are not a good match because you are too different.

Look, in my youth I once dated a girl. We liked each other and were attracted to each other. But, we were as different as night and day and just never could make it work. Our personalities were just too different. That may be the case with your current guy. Also, if he gets upset with you because you don't want a credit card he likes. Well, to me that is another sign he may not be the one.

On being argumentative, maybe before arguing ask yourself, "Is this worth arguing over?" or to put it another way, "Is this worth stating my different opinion about?"

For example, maybe you like sardines. I hate sardines. You tell me, "I love sardines!" I'll just say, "Ok, that's cool" instead of telling you I hate them. Its not worth arguing over.

However, if you tried to get me to eat sardines I would speak up and say, "Um, no thank you. I'm not really a fan of sardines but I'm glad you like them." If you accept that, then all is well. But, if you try to cajole or force me into eating sardines then I'd probably just tell you "No. You can stop or I can leave, but I'm not eating sardines." If that makes the other person angry then that is on them, not you IMO.
 
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Welcome to Christian Forums. And thank you for trusting us with this.

So, after you told him why you did not agree with him, he criticized you for being argumentative. If this is true, someone could be trying to help you to relate better. But there are people who might criticize you for being argumentative so that then you will be too cooperative with them and not evaluate everything > but God's word says >

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

So, an honest person will expect you to not put him or her above question. But it is good to listen and make sure you understand someone.

I think I have had people who would criticize me about something, and they were trying to show me that they were smart enough to be able to see my faults. And then it seemed they expected me to suppose they were also smart enough to tell me what I should do.

But any wrong person can see things that are wrong with us. But this does not mean they are smart enough to tell us what to do.

A selfish person can have a way of pointing out only the things about me, which keep that person from using me for what he or she wants.

So, I have fun with this, at times. When someone points out something, even that really is wrong with me, I might say, "Is that all you can see about me? God knows more than that." I mean, if someone is being critical because I won't do something that person selfishly is demanding that I do. Of course, when a person is honestly saying things to help me, I need to be appreciative and pray to get real correction of God.

Of course, I do not personally know these guys who have said you are argumentative. I might make sure I understand what they mean, so I can get to know them, and not be too quick to just answer with my view.

"swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath" (in James 1:19-20)

"He who answers a matter before he hears it,
. It is folly and shame to him."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(Proverbs 18:13)

But do test what people tell you to do >

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

As far as credit cards go . . .

The Bible says, "be content with such things as you have." (in Hebrews 13:5)

So, I think this means it can be good to be satisfied with what I already have. I do not keep changing and adding cards or change bank accounts, just because someone promises to save me money or give me money. My attention needs to be first with God. And do not be greedy to constantly try to save or get every cent I can.

And I am careful about talking with people I don't know well, about how I handle money and cards and banking. So, if you do not know this guy well, I would pay attention to how and why you got into that discussion, in the first place.
 
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Hello! Yesterday, as I was with the man I am dating, he was frustrated with me. He told me that it seemed that everything I said to him was argumentative. For example, he was trying to explain why I should get a certain credit card and told me the benefits. I immediately told him why I didn’t want it. Also, when he told me about my being argumentative, I immediately started defending myself. The problem is, I do not feel like I am being hostile or argumentative. Most of the time, I feel like I am just peacefully sharing my opinion. He pointed out that I am contrary in almost every response I give to him, and as I was thinking over our conversations, I am.

This is extremely discouraging because I fear that this has become completely second-nature to me. I hadn’t even realized it until he told me. I realize it is true, and I do not want to have such an argumentative nature. I am not only like this with him. I grew up in a family that argued all the time, so I feel like it is deeply ingrained in me. My close friends do not point this out, maybe because they have known me for so long, but I have been told this by another man I dated and my family. After he pointed this out, I tried to be very careful with my words, and intentionally filtering myself, but it is very difficult. Does anyone have any advice on ways I can stop being so disagreeable and argumentative?
Thank you so much!
Well, Kate, I would like to give you some good advice, but you have already stolen my thunder by abiding in God‘s word.

1 John 1:9 KJV
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I know that if you continue to do so, you will have no need of quelling your argumentative spirit for God will remove it from you and cleanse you of it and I shall pray that he does so and that he allows you to continue to confess this sin until it has been removed from you.
 
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When someone says something to you with the intention of being helpful, and you immediately say the contrary, the other person feels like you don't value their attempt to help. People want to be validated... and I would bet that you do too. I have found out the hard way that in order to be loving to another person, I now will always attach value to what they say, before I say anything to the contrary. "I see what you're saying. That's good information". If you don't agree, then follow with "But I don't think it's for me", or something like that. Part of good communication is making the other person feel heard. It's a skill that I wish I had learned long before I did.
 
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Hello! Yesterday, as I was with the man I am dating, he was frustrated with me.
His frustration is his responsibility, not yours. any individual's ability to manage or not manage their own frustration becomes a problem when it adversely disrupts the relationship. Blaming you for his emotional conditions is called scapegoating and it's not healthy. Scapegoating that turns into the frustrated one claiming to also be a victim of your otherwise completely permissible behavior is called gaslighting.

I am NOT saying that is what your boyfriend is doing. I am simply telling you what scapegoating and gaslighting are so you recognize them when you see them. If and when they occur walk away. At best they are evidence of serious lack of maturity and at worst they are symptomatic of potentially very serious mental illness.

Here's how you test it: The next time you and your date have a disagreement, and he is visibly frustrated, simply ask him. "How are you feeling right now?" If he's like the average guy he'll say he's fine, okay, or alright. That might be true but that is not an identification of emotion, of his feelings. Guys tend to be in their heads and compartmentalize. Women are more emotionally integrated and relationship oriented. For him the conversation about getting a credit card is a factual matter, a logical matter, and it has nothing to do with feelings. He's wrong.

And you will not be able to tell him that.

So.... after he's said, "I'm fine," you follow that up with. "Thank you, I appreciate knowing that. Can we take a moment and regather the relationship?" If his head doesn't explode then you follow that up with, "How about you summarize your position and tell me why it is I, not anyone else, must get a credit card, and when you're done, I'll repeat what you've said so you know I was listening and understood it. After that I'll summarize my point of view and after that's acknowledged we can move on with the rest of our date."

because when people repeat themselves and/or the volume levels increase then it's time to summarize what's been said and move on.
He told me that it seemed that everything I said to him was argumentative.
And what did he say about himself?

Are you always argumentative? Seriously. You know you better than anyone else, except God (and possibly your parents). Do you trust yourself to either 1) know your own behavior and the inner life that drives it, and 2) to accept maybe you are doing something you don't want to do? My wife, for example, had a habit of starting most of her replies with, "No." However, she married a counselor who's trained in behavioral observation. It is a very natural and normal human behavior to begin with "No," especially for those of us who are very analytical and perfectionist. We like to start with what needs improving, rather than observe and affirm that which is already excellent and thereby build goodwill, safety, and connection sufficient for tolerating disagreement and enough trust to listen to one another's differences. You can imagine how frustrating it is being married to me ;). I, on the other hand, had to learn how not to be so analytical, not start with the problem to be solved and, instead, start with an affirmation of my wife's point of view. Healthy couples move toward each other in occasions of disagreement..... but few couples start out that healthy. It's a skill we learn in the relationship itself. That's what dating is about = the finding of a person with whom I can close the distance even on occasions where we disagree.

Watch what happens when you do not reciprocate but, instead, ask him not to blame you for his frustration and tell you why he finds it frustrating. I don't know you KateMae but I do know women are amazing creatures and if he values every second he's with you then he will lean into that question, even if ridden with anxiety.
For example, he was trying to explain why I should get a certain credit card and told me the benefits. I immediately told him why I didn’t want it. Also, when he told me about my being argumentative, I immediately started defending myself.
Ummmmm...... how does expressing your viewpoint mean you're being argumentative and defensive? How is his appraisal not argumentative and defensive (and adversarial)?

Most couples go through this. The healthy ones learn not to continue that pattern. Most healthy couples go through it twice. The first time during their courtship, and the second time 6 to 10 years into their marriage when it comes time to re-sort the territory and terrain of the relationship.

Is it okay if I defend my viewpoint? Am I allowed to explain why I hold the views I do?

In other words, put his cr@p back in his lap and see how he handles it because the guy that says, "No, that's not alright," or escalates when asked that question is the guy you ask to turn the car around and take you home. The guy who says, "Yes, of course," but then does not follow true is a guy who does not keep his word and there is not a man in this forum who will tell you that is acceptable. At best, it is a sign of immaturity, so you have to decide whether or not you believe this guy is valuable enough for you to grow with him as he matures. All men enter marriage without certain relationship skills. All men need to mature that way. All men have a little boy inside them and that's not a bad thing. Some of the best times in an adult relationship are when my little boy comes out to play with my wife's little girl :cool:. Adult conversations require the adults to act like adults.
The problem is, I do not feel like I am being hostile or argumentative. Most of the time, I feel like I am just peacefully sharing my opinion. He pointed out that I am contrary in almost every response I give to him, and as I was thinking over our conversations, I am.
There's a very simple way to find out. Close your eyes and place you hand over your heart. Feel how fast you're breathing. If your heart is racing and your breathing is fast and shallow then it's likely your anxious and/or in defense mode. That's normal in episode of disagreement. It's not very good for complex problem solving, though. The problem is also fairly simple. Just slow down your breathing. Take long, slow, deep breaths and clear your head. Our brains are connected to respiration, pulse, and the fight-or-flight mechanism. Slowing down helps bring the parasympathetic nervous system back online. Not only is that the part of your wiring that helps you (and him) solve complex problems, it is also the part of your nervous system required to be relational.

If, on the other hand (no pun intended) you find you are calm and collected then he's probably the one being hostile unawares (if he's aware of it and did it intentionally then call your father or best friend to come and get you).
This is extremely discouraging because I fear that this has become completely second-nature to me. I hadn’t even realized it until he told me. I realize it is true, and I do not want to have such an argumentative nature. I am not only like this with him. I grew up in a family that argued all the time, so I feel like it is deeply ingrained in me. My close friends do not point this out, maybe because they have known me for so long, but I have been told this by another man I dated and my family. After he pointed this out, I tried to be very careful with my words, and intentionally filtering myself, but it is very difficult. Does anyone have any advice on ways I can stop being so disagreeable and argumentative?
Thank you so much!
I recommend you not be so quick to accept you're the argumentative, defensive, hostile and/or frustrated one. I recommend you pick up a copy of a copy of "Boundaries" by Henry Cloud and John Townsend and read it. Then, when you're done, you read their book, "Boundaries in Dating," and after you've been married two to three years you read their book, "Boundaries in Marriage."

  • Boundaries tell us what is right and wrong.
  • Boundaries also teach us who we are. (I am not you and you am not me. I can think my own thoughts, have my own feelings, make my own choices and I do not have to think, feel, or choose like you).
  • Boundaries must be firm but not rigid, flexible but not porous.
  • Boundaries begin with the ability to say, "No."
  • The first and biggest obstacle to healthy boundaries is the fear of consequences (he'll break up with me! My boss will fire me! My friend will hate me!).


Get the book and read it.
 
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