Christians Rebuke John Piper for Calling Trump’s Re-Election Win an ‘Evil’

[Vambram]

Christians Rebuke John Piper for Calling Trump’s Re-Election Win an ‘Evil’ - Milton Quintanilla

Christians Rebuke John Piper for Calling Trump’s Re-Election Win an ‘Evil’, Milton Quintanilla - Read breaking news headlies with a Christian perspective and commentary from Milton Quintanilla.

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John Piper received backlash on social media this week after remarking that President-elect Donald Trump's victory was an "evil."

"Presidential election results," Piper wrote on Wednesday. "Having delivered us from one evil, God now tests us with another."

He added a reference to Deuteronomy 13:3: "The Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul."

John Piper Under Fire for Referring to Trump’s Re-Election as an ‘Evil’

John Piper is drawing criticism for his remarks about the re-election of former President Donald Trump.

churchleaders.com

While Piper’s stern opposition to Trump is notable among evangelicals, he has been equally opposed to the candidates against whom Trump has faced off in the last three election cycles.
In 2020, Piper said in reference to the race between Joe Biden and Donald Trump that his calling as a pastor would be “contradicted by supporting either pathway to cultural corruption and eternal ruin.”
“When I consider the remote possibility that I might do any good by endorsing the devastation already evident in the two choices before me,” he added, “I am loath to undermine my calling (and the church’s mission) to stand for Christ-exalting faith and hope and love.”

“At times, it happens in a fallen world that a vote for any proposed candidate is so offensive, so morally compromised, so misleading,” Piper said in 2023, “that it may be a matter of greater integrity, more faithful obedience to Christ, and a clearer witness to truth if we do not vote for any of the proposed candidates.”

Piper’s remarks on Wednesday raised the ire of a number of Trump supporters, many of whom are Christian leaders and influencers.

 

[mourningdove~]

Well, John Piper is entitled to his opinion, right?

So I read the article ... what does "Massive L Take" mean?

 

[Vambram]

Well, John Piper is entitled to his opinion, right?

So I read the article ... what does "Massive L Take" mean?

John Piper is entitled to his opinion. I am glad that many leaders in the Church are publicly disagreeing with him. "Massive L Take" probably describes a Loss, or Loser take, in my opinion.

 

[Sir Joseph]

I respect his point that our top two presidential candidate choices are too often poor representatives, but reality dictates that we pick the better choice if we want to have any say in the country's affairs.

In this case, Trump represents the party that clearly has more Biblical values than the other. If there's a side more aligned with the devil, it's the side strongly supporting abortion, gay marriage, transgenderism, racism (aka social justice), and the removal of God from the public arena. It's the side opposing law and order, the death penalty, Christian religious freedom, and Israel's Biblical land destiny.

It appears that John Piper doesn't share the Christian evangelical perspective, or like other Trump haters, thinks that one's personal character is more important that his active agenda. I understand this thinking and agree that it'd be nice to have both good character and a godly agenda, but such is not reality - nor has it been historically, as God has used seriously flawed individuals to perfom his will.

Despite Trump's extreme arrogance and offensive nature, he publicly recognizes God and supports policies that affirm America's Christian heritage and Biblical moral values. To call that evil is to let one's biasness overshadow truth.

 

[mourningdove~]

John Piper is entitled to his opinion. I am glad that many leaders in the Church are publicly disagreeing with him. "Massive L Take" probably describes a Loss, or Loser take, in my opinion.

Thanks.

I don't agree with Piper's opinion, and question why he would even share it, but since we came so close to the very real threat of free speech being shut down ... depending upon the outcome of the recent election ... I see the preciousness of it. Whether I like the other's opinion, or not.

 

[mourningdove~]

It appears that John Piper doesn't share the Christian evangelical perspective, or like other Trump haters, thinks that one's personal character is more important that his active agenda. I understand this thinking and agree that it'd be nice to have both good character and a godly agenda, but such is not reality - nor has it been historically, as God has used seriously flawed individuals to perfom his will.

Well said.
Apparently John Piper is all about character.
Not realistic, but understandable, as a Christian.

 

[Tom8907]

Under Romans 13 John Piper's response was wrong.

But I admit I sounded like Piper when Trump won.

I believe I share his frustration with many Christians idolising Trump and being in denial about this sin.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I am glad that many leaders in the Church are publicly disagreeing with him.

I'm curious, why do you say this?

 

[mourningdove~]

I rather don't understand it myself. That's just honest.

We needed someone to do the job, which is, at this point, a war against a state capture of our agencies, apparently.

They aren't helping the American people anymore, they aren't even doing what they were voted into office to do.

Prioritizing character above the national good is what placed us in this position, in my opinion. Because we sold out our people for a falsehood, an image.

I lived in the Bible Belt for many years, so I guess I know how large groups of certain types of (female) Christian voters can think. There is often that emphasis on character, before anything else. Many Christian women there seemed to vote that way ... on (perceived) character. I suppose I did, too. But since then, I've moved away and learned much more about politics and that much of what we see in politicians as 'character' can be a false image. I started really paying attention to politics when Obama was in office, and I would hear from my husband about wonky things that were happening. So, while I understand the importance of character, it's no longer the deciding factor when I vote. Other important qualifications are needed, too.

 

[Postvieww]

God has used seriously flawed individuals to perfom his will.

You couldn’t be more right here! It is my personal belief Trump will be our next President because it is God’s plan for this nation.

 

[mourningdove~]

I noticed a crazy emphasis on character growing up in my peer group. I didn't like the culture, and I never felt like a part of it. (Upper middle class).

So I moved when I was able, and found my place in small town America. I always fit in there in ways I fit nowhere else.

I was on the school board and very involved on local levels and always did the barbeque with the neighbors thing, which is a lovely part of life.

I never noticed character being important at that point, and I was around people who went to church (though I did not).

When I was saved which was a year and a half or so before Trump started indicating his run for the presidency.

As a Christian I never saw anyone else outside of Ben Carson as a possiblity.

I thought if we were going for a Christian to represent us then it was Carson. But sans that (he dropped out of the race prior to my states primary) Trump was the only option.

It was the first time I voted AS a Christian according to my Christian values.

That's why I have never understood why so many Christians thought I was voting for something evil.

Ben Carson is so very special. He kind of seems to 'have it all'.
I'm very glad he remains close to, and supportive of, President Trump.

As I'm sure you know, there are quite a few Christians of solid character in Trump's inner circle, who do support him. I'm happy that influence is there. And the fact that Trump appears to seek out and consider their advice tells me lots about him.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

If there's a side more aligned with the devil, it's the side strongly supporting abortion, gay marriage, transgenderism, racism (aka social justice), and the removal of God from the public arena.

That is a mischaracterization. The issue is personal freedom rather than abortion, gay marriage, transgenderism, in themselves. And in a pluralist culture why should we seek the perceived norms of a particular group's God.

God is a personal guide. But we all seem to have different gods. And so I ask, Hey, Atheists...

 

[Michie]

Would Harris be any less of an evil? I think this is way out of Piper’s pay grade. He should probably zip it at this point and encourage prayer for the next four years instead of sowing seeds of division and fear.

Christians Rebuke John Piper for Calling Trump’s Re-Election Win an ‘Evil’ - Milton Quintanilla

Christians Rebuke John Piper for Calling Trump’s Re-Election Win an ‘Evil’, Milton Quintanilla - Read breaking news headlies with a Christian perspective and commentary from Milton Quintanilla.

www.crosswalk.com

John Piper received backlash on social media this week after remarking that President-elect Donald Trump's victory was an "evil."

"Presidential election results," Piper wrote on Wednesday. "Having delivered us from one evil, God now tests us with another."

He added a reference to Deuteronomy 13:3: "The Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul."

John Piper Under Fire for Referring to Trump’s Re-Election as an ‘Evil’

John Piper is drawing criticism for his remarks about the re-election of former President Donald Trump.

churchleaders.com

While Piper’s stern opposition to Trump is notable among evangelicals, he has been equally opposed to the candidates against whom Trump has faced off in the last three election cycles.
In 2020, Piper said in reference to the race between Joe Biden and Donald Trump that his calling as a pastor would be “contradicted by supporting either pathway to cultural corruption and eternal ruin.”
“When I consider the remote possibility that I might do any good by endorsing the devastation already evident in the two choices before me,” he added, “I am loath to undermine my calling (and the church’s mission) to stand for Christ-exalting faith and hope and love.”

“At times, it happens in a fallen world that a vote for any proposed candidate is so offensive, so morally compromised, so misleading,” Piper said in 2023, “that it may be a matter of greater integrity, more faithful obedience to Christ, and a clearer witness to truth if we do not vote for any of the proposed candidates.”

Piper’s remarks on Wednesday raised the ire of a number of Trump supporters, many of whom are Christian leaders and influencers.

 

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Christians Rebuke John Piper for Calling Trump’s Re-Election Win an ‘Evil’ - Milton Quintanilla

Christians Rebuke John Piper for Calling Trump’s Re-Election Win an ‘Evil’, Milton Quintanilla - Read breaking news headlies with a Christian perspective and commentary from Milton Quintanilla.

www.crosswalk.com

John Piper received backlash on social media this week after remarking that President-elect Donald Trump's victory was an "evil."

"Presidential election results," Piper wrote on Wednesday. "Having delivered us from one evil, God now tests us with another."

He added a reference to Deuteronomy 13:3: "The Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul."

John Piper Under Fire for Referring to Trump’s Re-Election as an ‘Evil’

John Piper is drawing criticism for his remarks about the re-election of former President Donald Trump.

churchleaders.com

While Piper’s stern opposition to Trump is notable among evangelicals, he has been equally opposed to the candidates against whom Trump has faced off in the last three election cycles.
In 2020, Piper said in reference to the race between Joe Biden and Donald Trump that his calling as a pastor would be “contradicted by supporting either pathway to cultural corruption and eternal ruin.”
“When I consider the remote possibility that I might do any good by endorsing the devastation already evident in the two choices before me,” he added, “I am loath to undermine my calling (and the church’s mission) to stand for Christ-exalting faith and hope and love.”

“At times, it happens in a fallen world that a vote for any proposed candidate is so offensive, so morally compromised, so misleading,” Piper said in 2023, “that it may be a matter of greater integrity, more faithful obedience to Christ, and a clearer witness to truth if we do not vote for any of the proposed candidates.”

Piper’s remarks on Wednesday raised the ire of a number of Trump supporters, many of whom are Christian leaders and influencers.

It's not unusual for some to have difficulty accepting election results ... with Trumps re-election his support reflected a wide range of people groups. As Christians .... we are not voting for a god .... we are voting for whom we believe will best govern and lead our nation.

Each American citizen has a vote and how they vote is entirely up to them regardless of who or what may sway them.

 

[Vambram]

I'm curious, why do you say this?

John Piper is comparing the election of Donald Trump as the lesser of two evils, IMO. I strongly disagree with that comparison.

 

[Hazelelponi]

John Piper is comparing the election of Donald Trump as the lesser of two evils, IMO. I strongly disagree with that comparison.

It just dawned on me that I misunderstood you... Lol.

Okay, this makes sense.

 

[Hazelelponi]

An older clip from Trump

 

[Sir Joseph]

That is a mischaracterization. The issue is personal freedom rather than abortion, gay marriage, transgenderism, in themselves. And in a pluralist culture why should we seek the perceived norms of a particular group's God.

God is a personal guide. But we all seem to have different gods. And so I ask, Hey, Atheists...

Akita, I will not take the time here to argue or defend the Biblical values which you disregard in the name of personal freedom, but will address your second point.

You say "And in a pluralist culture why should we seek the perceived norms of a particular group's God."

We fortunately live in an exceptional country of freedom where we can vote for elected representatives that reflect our personal values. Consequently, I would expect atheists, agnostics, and some others to support liberal views that favor relative, man-made cultural values rather than God's objective moral and spiritual values. For the two-thirds of Americans though that claim some form of allegiance to the Christian faith, it's consistent that they oppose liberal values that counter the Bible. Unfortunately many don't, but that's a hypocrisy issue, not a problem defining right from wrong.

So, despite the nation's secular trend that's occured over the past 75 years, it's Christian beliefs and values that still matter to much of the nation's voting population. And for those of us that recognize America's Christian heritage and want God's continued blessing upon the nation, it's only reasonable that we'd want leaders supporting those values.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

True freedom isn't having the privilege of choosing between good and evil, but the ability
to choose only good. Many choose evil believing it is good.

God can only choose good. So, do as Jesus said, be perfect as your Father in Heaven
is perfect.

 

[Stephen3141]

"Separation of church and state" means that the government cannot impose
a religion on American citizens.

It is something quite different for Church leaders to speak out against all sorts of evil.
With our current political leaders in America, there is no end of evil characteristics
that Church leaders OUGHT to be speaking out against. This should not be
categorized as some sort of breaking of America's policy of "separation of church
and state."

Those who try to make out Biden, or Harris, or Trump, as God's gift to America,
are VERY parochial and biased.

There was a big problem with Catholic Christians blindly accepting that Joe
Biden was a Catholic, in behavior. And there is a big problem with some Protestant
Christians thinking that Trump is a Christian, in behavior.

Very frankly, I would not accept the criticisms of social media blurbs as valid
arguments about someone's depravity, or gloriousness. Many of these blurbs
are assertions of conclusions, and have nothing to do with demonstrations of
a candidate's behavior. (Look at how different political candidates respond to
journalists who do fact-checking on the candidates.)

It is part of the job of leaders of Christian congregations, to evaluate the social
and political life of modern America. And, given the spiritual devastation and
lying that is so common in political life, Christian leaders OUGHT to be speaking
out about the moral-ethical waywardness of politicians.