• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • Christian Forums is looking to bring on new moderators to the CF Staff Team! If you have been an active member of CF for at least three months with 200 posts during that time, you're eligible to apply! This is a great way to give back to CF and keep the forums running smoothly! If you're interested, you can submit your application here!

Christian Ghost Writer

OkieAllDay

Active Member
Jun 17, 2023
74
17
Oklahoma
✟23,476.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Is it ethical for a Christian pastor to use a ghost writer who writes 75+% of a book? (The pastor pays the man for his efforts, but does not acknowledge him in the book and the reader is left to think these are all the words of the pastor himself.

There has been a LOT of talk through the years about a very prominent pastor who many have claimed uses a ghost writer. That doesn't sit well with me - even if he pays the man.
 

Gregory Thompson

Change is inevitable, feel free to spare some.
Site Supporter
Dec 20, 2009
29,751
8,350
Canada
✟848,675.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Christian Seeker
Marital Status
Married
Is it ethical for a Christian pastor to use a ghost writer who writes 75+% of a book? (The pastor pays the man for his efforts, but does not acknowledge him in the book and the reader is left to think these are all the words of the pastor himself.

There has been a LOT of talk through the years about a very prominent pastor who many have claimed uses a ghost writer. That doesn't sit well with me - even if he pays the man.
A CEO makes an absurd amount of money because of the workers.

They do 99% of the work, but the CEO takes credit for the success.

It's the same thing.
 
Upvote 0

OkieAllDay

Active Member
Jun 17, 2023
74
17
Oklahoma
✟23,476.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
A CEO makes an absurd amount of money because of the workers.

They do 99% of the work, but the CEO takes credit for the success.

It's the same thing.
But everybody knows there are lots of people working for the CEO. Nobody knows that a person uses a ghost writer - so it is false advertising.
 
Upvote 0

Gregory Thompson

Change is inevitable, feel free to spare some.
Site Supporter
Dec 20, 2009
29,751
8,350
Canada
✟848,675.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Christian Seeker
Marital Status
Married
But everybody knows there are lots of people working for the CEO. Nobody knows that a person uses a ghost writer - so it is false advertising.
The writer was paid for a service.

Confidentiality was part of the service.

Since they accepted compensation this implies consent.
 
Upvote 0

Dave G.

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2017
4,669
5,341
75
Sandiwich
✟368,441.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Widowed
I'm pretty sure the Ghost writer gets the general outline and overview of the pastors views on the topic. The ghost writer is there to write in an interesting way and I imagine is subject to the pastors final review.. But ghost writers or use of them sure explains how these guys crank out one book after another ! I know I couldn't lay out an entire book in an orderly way, though I may know the topic well.

Most musicians don't write sheet music, certainly not the finished sheet music score. They come up with a song in melody and chords, may even play that though an app that makes it into a general score, then off to a music writing company where it's put into proper order and printed.. Yet they say they wrote the song, ya on guitar or piano but not on a page.
 
Upvote 0

OkieAllDay

Active Member
Jun 17, 2023
74
17
Oklahoma
✟23,476.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
The writer was paid for a service.

Confidentiality was part of the service.

Since they accepted compensation this implies consent.
It is consent for the ghost writer, but not for the consumer. If you buy a painting of Picasso you would expect him to paint it. But what if he paid a "ghost painter"? People might not want that painting if they knew Picasso didn't paint it.
 
Upvote 0

Gregory Thompson

Change is inevitable, feel free to spare some.
Site Supporter
Dec 20, 2009
29,751
8,350
Canada
✟848,675.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Christian Seeker
Marital Status
Married
It is consent for the ghost writer, but not for the consumer. If you buy a painting of Picasso you would expect him to paint it. But what if he paid a "ghost painter"? People might not want that painting if they knew Picasso didn't paint it.
I guess if there's Christianity like that, and you're aware of it, simply do not participate.
 
Upvote 0

HatGuy

Some guy in a hat
Jun 9, 2014
1,009
788
Visit site
✟131,193.00
Country
South Africa
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I am a ghostwriter, so I can tell you from my perspective. You're welcome to ask me anything :)

It all depends how it's done. If the pastor (or client) has the ideas, the content (sermons, presentations, outlines etc.) it makes perfect sense to hire a professional writer who knows how to put books together, how to organize the content, and keep their original voice while doing so. It's all pretty above board this way. They are the 'author' - the 'authority - and writers and editors come around them to help them refine their content.

It's not above-board when the author simply has one idea and hires someone to do all the research, all the theology, etc.

Ghostwriting is quite an old profession. They are really scribes. In the New Testament times, scribes were used to help people write letters (legal, or otherwise) and craft content for people who paid for it. A ghostwriter also functions as what we call a 'developmental editor'.

You might recall that Paul and Peter make mention of scribes who helped them craft their letters? (Tertius, Silas.) Those letters were not a 'one-man' endeavor but were a team effort.

Almost every creative industry makes use of background professionals to get something done. For example, most popular music artists make use of songwriters and producers. These craft and make more changes to songs than most people realize. The music is marketed under the artist's name and most people don't know about the songwriters, the producers, the engineers, the choreographers, etc. that go into making the final product.

When it comes to visual art, things are a little different in certain niches (yes) as mentioned with Picasso. However, there are still curators etc. who get involved. And bear in mind, a lot of artists in the past had benefactors who came up with a concept and hired artists to do it.

The book publishing industry is much the same and has been since its inception. There are writers, editors, researchers, developmental editors, market editors, agents and other publishing professionals who all contribute to one book. An 'author' is called as such because they are the 'authority' - but not necessarily the writer or the editor, or even the principle researcher (although they should be involved with all these things). This isn't a case of fooling the consumer - it's more a case of the consumer just not knowing how it works. But why would they? Do we all know the background work and all the people who help our sports stars become the people they are? No. Most people don't even care!

The only reason why you might feel cheated is simply because you didn't know, not because it's unethical or someone is deliberately trying to fool you.
 
  • Informative
Reactions: Soyeong
Upvote 0