Since CARM would not allow this post, I am testing the waters here...they published the article so then they have a pro-stance of course for Bowman...
How far will the status quo allow? Even on the unorthodox side of the board?
Robert Bowman's Triadic Fallacy
The Journal for Trinitarian Studies and Apologetics, "Triadic New Testament Passages and the Doctrine of the Trinity," Robert Bowman.
The idea is that when the three entities of God are in 'close proximity' in verse, this implies a trinitarian presupposition and exposition:
Several earlier studies have documented in varying ways the frequent occurrence of triadic passages in the New Testament, listing as many as 117 texts in which one may observe references to Father, Son, and Spirit in close proximity. (9) pg. 14
(He footnotes to his own other book, "Why You Should Believe in the Trinity: an Answer to Jehovah's Witnesses," Grand Rapids: Baker 1989, p. 127-31)
What is the most obvious fallacy this article manifests? That three entities OF God are all equal entities God IS.
The fallacy in logic is that the three entities OF God are all God in equivalent form holistically, since they are all three mentioned in verse 'in close proximity.'
First the EQUAL inference...
...because the Son of God is now extant in the universe, operating and viable...this Son is equal to God and God Himself. Because the HOLY SPIRIT is sent in a new way (in the name of the Son as the Comforter) this spirit is also an equal viable partner of God.
According to R.P.C. Hanson, "with the exception of Athanasius, virtually every theologian, East and West, accepted some form of subordinationism at least up to the year 355...
Subordinationalism, wiki.
...this is in regard to the Christ only.
What is not mentioned here is the fourth entity, the Word of God, being the expressed will of YHWH Elohim in this time and place, being merged in concept with the Son to be the Son and to equal the Son. The modern interpretation has all four entities therefore OF God being three equal partners IN God.
And Bowman's Triadic Fallacy has made the leap from God plus His spirit extant among men, to God and His SON and His Spirit being the triadic manifestations of God among men, since Jesus was born -- to the new inference that these three are now equal PARTNERS or PERSONS in the one true nature of God.
Let us disseminate what occurs with the New Covenant. My theory is that no prophet has come for four hundred years before Christ; the second Temple period is largely devoid of prophets and so then the Holy Spirit which inspires these prophets is too missing among men. The Jews in other words were missing Jesus, since he had not arrived yet, PROPHETS who had not been inspired to come forth, and the Holy Spirit which was not saying anything to them, and the Word in the immediate sense (known will of God through the prophets).
Now Jesus comes, and he is manifest among men, he is the prophet and mouthpiece of YHWH Elohim for this age, and he is in fact the promised Messiah which all messianic prophets have previously foretold. He has the annointing of Spirit and says that the Comforter would be indwelling all men women and children of the New Covenant, and that this Spirit of YHWH would come first from the Father and then proceed from himself, as he will not leave them alone. So then the triadic entities are all here in place, right after the resurrection of the Son. But the Son is among us in Spirit, as the Father is also. No man has seen God or heard his voice, but the Son is his Shaliach agent, come as the mouthpiece of God, and when he leaves, the Spirit comes. The Spirit of YHWH Elohim is therefore God among men, indwelling believers and being in fact the 'Lord' we serve. This Spirit is come in the name of the Christ, firstly sent of the Father, whom the Christ has prayed to for just this occurence to happen.
This spirit is the same spirit from the Father of spirits which previously may have been one of judgement, or exhortation, now come as Comforter and in mercy and grace. It is the same spirit of YHWH Elohim which the Jews have always pined for and prayed for NOT IN NAME or DIRECTLY but because they knew this was the very power and character of the Living God. For even in judgement they knew what was going on and that God was still with them, and WHY they befell a curse or judgement.
James Dunn on the Holy Spirit
There can be little doubt that from the earliest stages of pre-Christian Judaism, spirit (ruach) denoted powerthe aweful, mysterious force of the wind (ruach), of the breath (ruach) of life, of ecstatic inspiration (induced by divine ruach) In other words, on this understanding, Spirit of God is in no sense distinct from God, but is simply the power of God, God himself acting powerfully in nature and upon men.[6]
[6] James DG Dunn, Christology in the Making (second edition) ©1989, Eerdmans Publishing Co., page 133.
As an emanation, or power of God, the Spirit is God. Yet nowhere in the Bible is the Holy Spirit considered God as God is in His totality. God is Spirit, but God is MORE than Spirit in the ancient view. Especially because this spirit says what it wants to say, the will of the Living God in the here and now.
This concept alone negates the Trinity as a factual paradigm. But more importantly the ancient view of Jesus by Jesus himself and his disciples arguably has no attribution of deity to the Christ, or Son of God.
So again, what is the Triadic Fallacy of Robert Bowman? That since these three entities are all operating along with the New Word of YHWH Elohim also within the boundaries of this New Covenant...since these three are extant among men and viable and operative....
that they are all in fact EQUAL as God and PARTNERS in the Godhead. Do we see now the jump from OT POV regarding the Spirit and too the jump in belief from Jesus being the Messiah to Jesus being God incarnate as a man?
CLOSE PROXIMITY does not equal THREE GODS IN GOD. Never has, never will. Triadic associations will naturally be evident, but they never were conceived of as being the Trinity before Nicea or even 30 years later by most.
How far will the status quo allow? Even on the unorthodox side of the board?
Robert Bowman's Triadic Fallacy
The Journal for Trinitarian Studies and Apologetics, "Triadic New Testament Passages and the Doctrine of the Trinity," Robert Bowman.
The idea is that when the three entities of God are in 'close proximity' in verse, this implies a trinitarian presupposition and exposition:
Several earlier studies have documented in varying ways the frequent occurrence of triadic passages in the New Testament, listing as many as 117 texts in which one may observe references to Father, Son, and Spirit in close proximity. (9) pg. 14
(He footnotes to his own other book, "Why You Should Believe in the Trinity: an Answer to Jehovah's Witnesses," Grand Rapids: Baker 1989, p. 127-31)
What is the most obvious fallacy this article manifests? That three entities OF God are all equal entities God IS.
The fallacy in logic is that the three entities OF God are all God in equivalent form holistically, since they are all three mentioned in verse 'in close proximity.'
First the EQUAL inference...
...because the Son of God is now extant in the universe, operating and viable...this Son is equal to God and God Himself. Because the HOLY SPIRIT is sent in a new way (in the name of the Son as the Comforter) this spirit is also an equal viable partner of God.
According to R.P.C. Hanson, "with the exception of Athanasius, virtually every theologian, East and West, accepted some form of subordinationism at least up to the year 355...
Subordinationalism, wiki.
...this is in regard to the Christ only.
What is not mentioned here is the fourth entity, the Word of God, being the expressed will of YHWH Elohim in this time and place, being merged in concept with the Son to be the Son and to equal the Son. The modern interpretation has all four entities therefore OF God being three equal partners IN God.
And Bowman's Triadic Fallacy has made the leap from God plus His spirit extant among men, to God and His SON and His Spirit being the triadic manifestations of God among men, since Jesus was born -- to the new inference that these three are now equal PARTNERS or PERSONS in the one true nature of God.
Let us disseminate what occurs with the New Covenant. My theory is that no prophet has come for four hundred years before Christ; the second Temple period is largely devoid of prophets and so then the Holy Spirit which inspires these prophets is too missing among men. The Jews in other words were missing Jesus, since he had not arrived yet, PROPHETS who had not been inspired to come forth, and the Holy Spirit which was not saying anything to them, and the Word in the immediate sense (known will of God through the prophets).
Now Jesus comes, and he is manifest among men, he is the prophet and mouthpiece of YHWH Elohim for this age, and he is in fact the promised Messiah which all messianic prophets have previously foretold. He has the annointing of Spirit and says that the Comforter would be indwelling all men women and children of the New Covenant, and that this Spirit of YHWH would come first from the Father and then proceed from himself, as he will not leave them alone. So then the triadic entities are all here in place, right after the resurrection of the Son. But the Son is among us in Spirit, as the Father is also. No man has seen God or heard his voice, but the Son is his Shaliach agent, come as the mouthpiece of God, and when he leaves, the Spirit comes. The Spirit of YHWH Elohim is therefore God among men, indwelling believers and being in fact the 'Lord' we serve. This Spirit is come in the name of the Christ, firstly sent of the Father, whom the Christ has prayed to for just this occurence to happen.
This spirit is the same spirit from the Father of spirits which previously may have been one of judgement, or exhortation, now come as Comforter and in mercy and grace. It is the same spirit of YHWH Elohim which the Jews have always pined for and prayed for NOT IN NAME or DIRECTLY but because they knew this was the very power and character of the Living God. For even in judgement they knew what was going on and that God was still with them, and WHY they befell a curse or judgement.
James Dunn on the Holy Spirit
There can be little doubt that from the earliest stages of pre-Christian Judaism, spirit (ruach) denoted powerthe aweful, mysterious force of the wind (ruach), of the breath (ruach) of life, of ecstatic inspiration (induced by divine ruach) In other words, on this understanding, Spirit of God is in no sense distinct from God, but is simply the power of God, God himself acting powerfully in nature and upon men.[6]
[6] James DG Dunn, Christology in the Making (second edition) ©1989, Eerdmans Publishing Co., page 133.
As an emanation, or power of God, the Spirit is God. Yet nowhere in the Bible is the Holy Spirit considered God as God is in His totality. God is Spirit, but God is MORE than Spirit in the ancient view. Especially because this spirit says what it wants to say, the will of the Living God in the here and now.
This concept alone negates the Trinity as a factual paradigm. But more importantly the ancient view of Jesus by Jesus himself and his disciples arguably has no attribution of deity to the Christ, or Son of God.
So again, what is the Triadic Fallacy of Robert Bowman? That since these three entities are all operating along with the New Word of YHWH Elohim also within the boundaries of this New Covenant...since these three are extant among men and viable and operative....
that they are all in fact EQUAL as God and PARTNERS in the Godhead. Do we see now the jump from OT POV regarding the Spirit and too the jump in belief from Jesus being the Messiah to Jesus being God incarnate as a man?
CLOSE PROXIMITY does not equal THREE GODS IN GOD. Never has, never will. Triadic associations will naturally be evident, but they never were conceived of as being the Trinity before Nicea or even 30 years later by most.