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Benedict XVI breaks his silence on the Catholic Church's sex abuse crisis

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*You are in the Catholic forum*

In a German language essay published Thursday, the pope emeritus provides a way forward.

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Benedict XVI Breaks His Silence on the Catholic Church’s Sex-Abuse Crisis
"The essay is divided into three parts: an examination of the “wider societal context” of the crisis in which he says he tries to show that an “egregious event” occurred in the 1960s “on a scale unprecedented in history.”"
Is the egregious event the whole sexual revolution or is he referring to something else?
 
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"The essay is divided into three parts: an examination of the “wider societal context” of the crisis in which he says he tries to show that an “egregious event” occurred in the 1960s “on a scale unprecedented in history.”"
Is the egregious event the whole sexual revolution or is he referring to something else?
Vatican II?? Your guess would be better than mine.
 
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I found these excepts elsewhere:

Speaking on 'pragmatic' morality: “there could no longer be anything that constituted an absolute good, any more than anything fundamentally evil; there could only be relative moral judgments.”… “in various seminaries, homosexual clubs were established, which more or less openly and significantly changed the climate in seminaries.”… “critical or negative attitude toward hitherto existing tradition,” he writes, in favor of a “new, radically open relationship with the world.” (Former Pope Benedict blames church’s scandals partly on the ‘60s. New York Post)​
 
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I think the "egregious event" was the sexual revolution, no doubt partly spurred by the advent of contraceptives. As someone who doesn't have a problem with the issue of contraceptives for "married couples", I'm a bit cynical about placing all the blame at the feet of the contraceptive pill.

There were other factors at play, one of which was the widespread development of visual media - films, then television, followed by VHS, DVD's and now the internet, making it all too easy to access pornographic material. Then there was the the almost universally accepted doctrine of the separation of church and state, which to my mind comes straight from the devil. All it does is empower secular politicians at the expense of the church.

I happen to believe one of the reasons God is allowing a resurgence of Islam is not only as a judgment of the post-Christian West, but because they also have no division of religious and political life. Mind you there is a lot of hypocrisy and immoral politics in Moslem nations as well, since they're made up of fallen human beings just like us, but at least the modus operandi is there.

Incidentally the word "egregious" has the following meanings according to one online dictionary -

"outstandingly bad; shocking eg. "egregious abuses of copyright"; synonyms: shocking, appalling, horrific, horrifying, horrible, terrible, awful, dreadful, grievous, gross, ghastly, hideous, horrendous, frightful, atrocious, abominable, abhorrent, outrageous".

I think it would be absurd to think he was referring to Vatican II, unless we're going to call a Council called by Pope John XXIII "horrendous, frightful, atrocious .. and all the rest". That would be plain stupid.

At the same time, humanity had reached what Dietrich Bonhoeffer (another German incidentally - like former Pope Benedict - my old pastor once commented about the Germans that "they're good thinkers") called its "coming of age" and would from now on have to make moral decisions within an existential framework, and which would become increasingly confident of its own abilities. In the West we now live to our eighties on the average, we can fly from continent to continent on a lazy Sunday afternoon if we've got the money and nothing better to do; watch the football on the other side of the globe; and destroy ourselves with submarine launched nuclear missiles should such a stupid event unfold. Astronomers and scientists and engineers have just photographed a black hole using a network of world wide radio telescopes, thus affirming a prediction by a Jewish, non-Christian scientist. We can even debate topics of Catholic concern with other Catholics and non-Catholics on the other side of the earth, living in a very different time frame and climate.

I also happen to believe that God intends to drive us off the planet and out into the universe. To that end He's allowing us to muck around with space travel, robotics and artificial intelligence, and experiment with quantum entanglement and quantum computing, which I believe will be the precursor to instantaneous "teleporting". But maybe that's just my own odd opinion.

Meanwhile the Church is struggling to come to terms with this relatively new found confidence of humanity. At the same time, the sexual revolution rampaged into some religious orders as well, as we have witnessed to our frustration over the last few years.

So in my opinion, the Church is going to have to define just what Dietrich Bonhoeffer meant by "secular Christianity" (I don't think he was sure himself, and was martyred before he had time to really come to grips with it), and then it is going to have to work out how to deal with it. Or it is going to find itself struggling to find its place in an intergalactic civilization for which the city and citadel of Rome will just be a distant memory.

That is, how is the Church going to empower the "secular Christians" in her ranks, so that they are able to stand on their own two feet, with or without a priestly presence to guide them in matters of faith and morals?
 
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I think the "egregious event" was the sexual revolution, no doubt partly spurred by the advent of contraceptives.
I suspect now that you are right.
As someone who doesn't have a problem with the issue of contraceptives for "married couples", I'm a bit cynical about placing all the blame at the feet of the contraceptive pill.
While 'all the blame' may be a bit hyperbolic, you might want to read the two books by Janet Smith, 'Why Humanae Vitae Was Right' and 'Why Humanae Vitae Is Still Right'. Dense articles that are convincing if you can take the time to study them.
There were other factors at play, one of which was the widespread development of visual media - films, then television, followed by VHS, DVD's and now the internet, making it all too easy to access pornographic material.
This is indeed huge, but if you consider how pornography drove the development of the internet and computers. Faster downloads and higher resolution screens were driven by ... porn. If you like your high speed internet and 4K screen ... 'thank' the porn industry and that creepy guy down the street who kept buying the cutting edge fancy new video cards for his own entertainment.
I think it would be absurd to think he was referring to Vatican II, unless we're going to call a Council called by Pope John XXIII "horrendous, frightful, atrocious .. and all the rest". That would be plain stupid.
I agree. When I was wondering about the 'egregious event' I was more thinking that it might be some one day event. Kind of like the satanic and sexually abusive rite found in 'Windswept House' by Malachi Martin. I suppose a revolution is an event though, and even something as amorphous as the Sexual Revolution would thus qualify as an 'event'. Yes, the 'K-T Boundary Extinction Event' lasted maybe millions of years, but to me an event lasts a day or two.
Meanwhile the Church is struggling to come to terms with this relatively new found confidence of humanity. At the same time, the sexual revolution rampaged into some religious orders as well, as we have witnessed to our frustration over the last few years.
I think the nihilism so obvious today is not at all a symptom of any new found confidence of humanity. I think that the secular world is not at all ebullient. It is seductive, but not confident or happy. It is dark and becoming darker, trapping rather than liberating. It has wheedled into seminaries and rectories and bishop's conferences and congregations but it is not there as anything but the fruit and the seed of the deceitful one.
That is, how is the Church going to empower the "secular Christians" in her ranks, so that they are able to stand on their own two feet, with or without a priestly presence to guide them in matters of faith and morals?
I think we still need to convert those in our ranks who don't know the Lordship of Christ. Then they will be able to stand on their own, even in the storm.
 
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Vatican II?? Your guess would be better than mine.
I was being silly mentioning VII. :rolleyes: :)

I'm sure there will be clarification soon.
Pope Benedict XVI does actually criticize the Second Vatican council in his letter. He does it twice, identifying something changed by the council and then going on to explain how it turned out to be a disaster for the Church. He only identifies one thing he thinks the council got right.
 
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In his April 10 essay "The Church and the Scandal of Sexual Abuse," a much older Joseph Ratzinger looks at the abuse phenomenon through the lens of his own life experience, dividing his text into three parts: origins of the crisis, initial Church responses, and what now needs to be done to heal Catholic life. The essay lacks some of the rigor of his earlier formal writings...

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Benedict and the Scandal | Charles J. Chaput
 
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I agree with this (from the article): "Most basically, Benedict argues that the scandals reflect a decline in faith in a personal God."
I've known priests who don't believe in God--and said so to my face! I was talking to someone about ghosts, demons, etc. at a party and a priest cut in and said "I'm one of those who doesn't believe in that!" To which I said "You don't believe in demons?" at that, he huffed and walked out of the room.
I knew another priest who seemed uncomfortable talking about religion. Why would you go to seminary if you didn't want to put your whole heart into talking about God and religion? Makes no sense. :confused:
 
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I agree with this (from the article): "Most basically, Benedict argues that the scandals reflect a decline in faith in a personal God."
I've known priests who don't believe in God--and said so to my face! I was talking to someone about ghosts, demons, etc. at a party and a priest cut in and said "I'm one of those who doesn't believe in that!" To which I said "You don't believe in demons?" at that, he huffed and walked out of the room.
I knew another priest who seemed uncomfortable talking about religion. Why would you go to seminary if you didn't want to put your whole heart into talking about God and religion? Makes no sense. :confused:
I remember such priests from the mid 70's and the 80's. Most that I kept track of have left the priesthood, but one remains and does the social justice thing in a city far far away. Then there was the Lutheran atheist who came from a long line of Lutheran pastors and wanted to continue the family business. I lost track of him.

Can a priest be an abuser AND be a faithful believing person? Somehow I don't think so. I do think they can pretend to be faithful, but not actually be faithful. Not that being conservative or traditional makes you faithful. Not that every faithless priest will be an abuser, but if they don't believe they should have the honesty to leave. Enough already. It does me no good to be ministered to by a faithless priest.
 
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I remember such priests from the mid 70's and the 80's. Most that I kept track of have left the priesthood, but one remains and does the social justice thing in a city far far away. Then there was the Lutheran atheist who came from a long line of Lutheran pastors and wanted to continue the family business. I lost track of him.

Can a priest be an abuser AND be a faithful believing person? Somehow I don't think so. I do think they can pretend to be faithful, but not actually be faithful. Not that being conservative or traditional makes you faithful. Not that every faithless priest will be an abuser, but if they don't believe they should have the honesty to leave. Enough already. It does me no good to be ministered to by a faithless priest.

You hit the nail on the head. Amen!
 
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