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tateziwin

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Could someone please list for me the major differences between Baptists and Lutherans.

I have to drive nearly an hour to go to my Baptist church yet have at least 4 Lutheran churches within a 10 minute drive and wondered if it would be ok to attend them or not.

Thanks in advance for your helpful (as always!) replies.
 

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The Lutherans are probably the Protestant group closest to the Catholics in doctrine and practice, being the first split. They maintain sacraments. They believe in transformation of the Eucharist, although I believe they hold to consubstantiation rather than transubstantiation. (In other words, where Catholics claim that the bread and wine turn into flesh and blood, and are no longer bread and wine, Lutherans say that the wafer is both bread and flesh, and the wine is both wine and blood. I believe.)

I was raised Lutheran. It seems to vary a bit from church to church. The one I went to was "ELCA", which is a mildly evangelical sort of church.

It is, of course, generally okay to attend any Christian church you want, with or without any sort of conversion from one branch of the faith to another. Check schedules, see if maybe they have a Wednesday night service or some other service that wouldn't keep you from going to your regular church, and have a look.

Although it's not always true, the chances are any Christian church will welcome visitors. Go for it!
 
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I always refer to the Lutherans as "toned down Catholics". Remember that Martin Luther's mission was not to split from the Catholic church but to "reform" the Catholic church. In keeping with his mission the Lutherans have kept some Catholic traditions. My advice would be to take the long drive. Mind you Lutheran's are not "non-Christian", I just prefer a Bible preaching/believing body to worship with. Lutheran's use the Bible but (from what I understand) they also use a whole lot of tradition... some of which are false, such as the transformation of the host...

My 2 cents
 
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A Lutheran church is as far away from a Baptist church as you can go without converting to Catholicism.

You will have to participate in more "ritual" than you are accustomed to, and in order to take Communion there, you will have to agree that you believe it is the ACTUAL Body and Blood of Christ, not a representation or symbolic gesture.

I think if you're okay with this and the very scripted rituall, you might like it. If you don't like that idea, then I suggest looking for perhaps a Methodist or even Presbyterian church before going to a Lutheran church.

Curiosity: Where are you in the U.S.? I have taken many road-trips and Baptist churches seem to outnumber every other denomination 2:1 in the places I've gone. Perhaps this is different in the far north. In my own town, there are 5 Baptist churches less than 1/2 mile from each other. In the same vicinity there is ONE Catholic church and ONE Methodist.

-James
 
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Obviously I will not argue with the Baptist position on communion since I am not in my own forum, but addressing the question: The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod is very similar to the Baptist church in regard to its beliefs, like on abortion and divorce (you can check out www.lcms.org for more info--this site has some great FAQs). Some Lutheran churches are very formal, some not, and some are more liberal (like ELCA) and some more conversative (LCMS and WELS). In many ways, LCMS are like sacramental Baptists. There is a certain amount of formality that goes with being sacramental, so most Lutheran churches will be more formal than a traditional Baptist church. The Lutheran church is founded upon the preaching of God's Word and the administration of the sacraments (baptism and communion). You can check on the church finder on the LCMS website if those churches near you are LCMS (having been raised Baptist myself, I think you would feel more at home in an LCMS church, but that's just my own opinion).
 
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I went to a Lutheran School for a couple of years but I am Southern Baptist. (I was young at the time so I dont remember a lot) One of the major differences I noticed is they baptise by sprinkiling and most Baptists baptise by immersion. They also say a lot of responsive readings, the Apostle's Creed, and some others I cant remember. They also have to go through conformation classes like Catholics. These aren't major differences, maybe it helped a little.
 
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A few things to address the original question:

Baptist believe in the Priesthood of All Believers, meaning that as believers may go to God directly, and that no member of clergy has any more power to do so than any other believer. Lutherans somewhat subscribe to this belief, but I believe it to be less so. They do endow their ministers with "powers" not of the average believer. There's much Catholic still there, although most of the parts I dislike about Catholicism are gone, thankfully.

Baptists believe in full-immersion baptism of BELIEVERS as a symbol of the internal change that the Holy Spirit has enacted within a person. Lutherans generally baptize by sprinkling (maybe not all?), and they do infant baptism -- a practice highly disapproved of by Baptists, who feel that baptism is for those who have professed their belief, not for infants who cannot have such a belief yet.

Lutherans recite many "Creeds" throughout their services. As mentioned, some may include the Apostles Creed. When I attended a Lutheran church, they recited the Easter Creed. I do not know who wrote any of those, and I'm not sure why they are so highly regarded. I remember as I read the Easter Creed in Lutheran church, that I didn't disagree with what it said. The process itself did seem somewhat rote and unmeaningful to the people, though, as it does in Catholic churches. I think if you do something like that enough times -- say the same words, over and over, it loses meaning.

Communion -- As mentioned, Lutherans do believe the elements to be the ACTUAL Body and Blood of Christ. This differs from Baptists in that we believe the elements to be symbolic of the Body and Blood of Christ. The essential meaning is there, but Lutherans do hold it in a somewhat different regard. They also do communion usually either weekly or semi-weekly, which is considerably more than most Baptist churches. I do wish some Baptist churches would do it more often than they do, but I think to have it TOO often, as with the recitation of the Creeds, waters down its meaning for many people.

Baptists believe that our salvation is a free gift offered to us from Christ, and that we must accept this gift. Lutherans believe that the person him/herself has no part in it, and that it is entirely the work of God. This is a fine line to walk, as many Lutherans would argue that our altar calls, etc, are "wrong" because God comes to you, not the opposite. I happen to agree with the Baptist theology here. The gift is there, but we DO have to take the step to accept it. This is the concept of free will. If we don't accept the gift, we don't get the gift.... The altar calls are giving the opportunity for the moving of the spirit to bring people to accept the gift that has ALREADY BEEN OFFERED by God through Christ -- Not by the altar call. Perhaps this is a difference in symantecs, but some Lutherans will argue that we are wrong.

At one point I considered becoming a Lutheran. I was given and read a book called "The Spirituality of The Cross" and it's a great book. If you want to get an idea of the Lutheran theology without getting into the legalistic Cathechism books that they go by, then it's a great book. Only about 10 bucks, including shipping, if bought online. I'd offer you my copy, but I already gave it to someone.

God Bless,

-James
 
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SouthCoast said:
Baptists believe that our salvation is a free gift offered to us from Christ, and that we must accept this gift. Lutherans believe that the person him/herself has no part in it, and that it is entirely the work of God. This is a fine line to walk, as many Lutherans would argue that our altar calls, etc, are "wrong" because God comes to you, not the opposite. I happen to agree with the Baptist theology here. The gift is there, but we DO have to take the step to accept it. This is the concept of free will. If we don't accept the gift, we don't get the gift.... The altar calls are giving the opportunity for the moving of the spirit to bring people to accept the gift that has ALREADY BEEN OFFERED by God through Christ -- Not by the altar call. Perhaps this is a difference in symantecs, but some Lutherans will argue that we are wrong.

I think you are right that a lot of the disagreement between Baptists and Lutherans over this issue is more with terminology than with actual doctrine. Lutherans believe that God creates faith in us but that we must respond to this faith by receiving baptism and becoming a part of the church (singular predestination--God has predestined those who will be saved). In essence, God has created in us the faith to believe that Christ is our only salvation--a belief that would be ridiculous without the power of the Holy Spirit--but we are free to accept or reject this faith. In other words, God creates our faith, but we choose to respond to it. Baptists, I think, would agree that answering an altar call is *responding* to faith that is already present. Some Lutherans, though, are die-hard doctrinarians and so like to exaggerate their differences from other denominations.
 
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Do you know which Lutheran denominations they have near you in Australia? (or NZ? I can never keep those flags straight! :confused: Wish the forum would include some text somewhere explaining the icons!)

Here in the US, the LCMS has closed communion, but the ELCA has open communion - meaning that you would be allowed to receive communion at a ELCS church but not at a LCMS church. The ELCA won't ask you your opinion about communion before giving it to you, and the LCMS won't give you communion until you are confirmed as a Lutheran and are a member of that congregation. ELCA has male and female ministers, but LCMS has only male. LCMS pastors are not allowed to participate in ecumenical prayers with other denominations, but ELCA pastors are. Those are the only differences I'm aware of.

Lutherans are not as similar to Roman Catholics as Anglicans are.

If you have so many Lutheran churches in your area, I can feel pretty confident in guessing that most of the people who settled your part of the country are either of German or Scandinavian extraction. ;) You may find their ethnic identity an important part of church life.
 
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tateziwin said:
Could someone please list for me the major differences between Baptists and Lutherans.

I have to drive nearly an hour to go to my Baptist church yet have at least 4 Lutheran churches within a 10 minute drive and wondered if it would be ok to attend them or not.

Thanks in advance for your helpful (as always!) replies.
They are quite abit differnt. Perhaps you should start your a Baptist church where you live. :scratch:
 
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