Arnold Murray- Shepherd's Chapel- 1,000 years

[SummaScriptura]

YouTube - Sheperd's Chapel: The 1000 Year Millennium

Being in the same company as this guy on the subject of the Millenium is almost enough to convince me to renounce Chiliasm, almost.

 

[zeke37]

What do you disagree with?

this pastor gives scripture to support his understanding of all subjects he talks about.

What do you think the Millennium is for?

 

[SummaScriptura]

I am saying that the guy believes the same as I on this point but that there is so much spiritual morbidity in his other teachings leads me to react in such a way as to consider, briefly, abandoning my belief in a literal 1,000-year reign of Christ. But then I consider the fact that doing so would be reactionary and I think better.

 

[get it right]

I am saying that the guy believes the same as I on this point but that there is so much spiritual morbidity in his other teachings leads me to react in such a way as to consider, briefly, abandoning my belief in a literal 1,000-year reign of Christ. But then I consider the fact that doing so would be reactionary and I think better.

The reason I have not replied to you about this person is because zeke37 has told about many of his beliefs which z also believes.,
What he has said here of his beliefs as passed down to him by am is really pathetic in my opinion.
I would not be interisted in viewing the videos you have given links to at all, I have heard more than enough from zeke37 about his beliefs that am has passed down to z, to not have any desire to search more.

satan fathered cain
judas was murdered - repented and saved
you can receive the mark of the beast and be saved

just to many to search for

 

[kotel]

Arnold Murray-The Shepherds Chapel

He has attributed to himself special honor in the past, claiming to be God's end time messenger for the world (one among many today). “I am a servant of the living God that carries the end time message, and it's either time to wake up now, or go down with your boat, friend” (The Shepherd's Chapel Questions and Answers period, aired 5/16/91). This has to do with his unique interpretation of the mark of the beast. While most of those who enjoy Murray do not feel that this is what he meant by the statement, the attitude certainly comes through if you listen long enough.

This is important! And this is unacceptable. Does Murray think one can receive the mark and still love Jesus? His interpretation is much like the 7th Day Adventists, that it is not a literal mark but is in your mind only. Rev.13:16 “He causes (forced) all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark ON their right hand or on their foreheads” The word on is epi in Greek and it means upon. Don' t just read the English, be a bible student, the Greek word is charagma, and it means “a stamp” or “imprinted mark and almost every Bible scholar worth his salt agrees with this interpretation. It's something they need to buy and sell. No matter what you may think the mark is, it is clear that it is something that will be seen. The mark is accompanied by worship to the beast. This is very concerning that one can tell his listeners you can have 666 on you and it would not matter and still be a Christian. This is flat out dangerous.

 

[zeke37]

I am saying that the guy believes the same as I on this point

so why use this then ?

but that there is so much spiritual morbidity in his other teachings leads me to react in such a way as to consider, briefly, abandoning my belief in a literal 1,000-year reign of Christ. But then I consider the fact that doing so would be reactionary and I think better.

that pastor and I both believe in a literal 1000 year reign of Christ

The reason I have not replied to you about this person is because zeke37 has told about many of his beliefs which z also believes.,
What he has said here of his beliefs as passed down to him by am is really pathetic in my opinion.

calling someone (a Believer in Christ) pathetic,
as you are doing...(and you do that alot)
is insulting and wrong.
It even goes against the Bible's instructions on how to talk to and treat those that believe in Christ.

Judge doctrine all ya want, but leave the personal comments aside please.

Arnold Murray-The Shepherds Chapel

He has attributed to himself special honor in the past, claiming to be God's end time messenger for the world (one among many today).

he has never said that...all your evidence is hearsay and rumour.
he has specifically addressed this.
we should not pick apart individuals, but stick to doctrine

“I am a servant of the living God that carries the end time message, and it's either time to wake up now, or go down with your boat, friend” (The Shepherd's Chapel Questions and Answers period, aired 5/16/91). This has to do with his unique interpretation of the mark of the beast. While most of those who enjoy Murray do not feel that this is what he meant by the statement, the attitude certainly comes through if you listen long enough.

he did not mean what you and others claim.
he does not think he is the only guy that has it right.
he knows full well that he is faulable.

This is important! And this is unacceptable. Does Murray think one can receive the mark and still love Jesus?

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of course he does, as do I and millions of others.

God blinds some to the truth,
so as to refine them in the literal 1000 year reign of Christ...

the ones worshiping Satan, the false lamb
will be Christians who were beguiled/seduced as Eve was...by Satan's lies and miracles

if God Himself has blinded you to a thing, then you are not guilty...

the vast majority of the Christian community shall be seduced and take the mark...


those that God blinded to truth
will be saved in the Lord's Day 1Cor5,
taught by the firstfruits Ez44, Rev20

those that he did not blind, well that is another story...

His interpretation is much like the 7th Day Adventists, that it is not a literal mark but is in your mind only. Rev.13:16 “He causes (forced) all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark ON their right hand or on their foreheads” The word on is epi in Greek and it means upon. Don' t just read the English, be a bible student, the Greek word is charagma, and it means “a stamp” or “imprinted mark and almost every Bible scholar worth his salt agrees with this interpretation. It's something they need to buy and sell. No matter what you may think the mark is, it is clear that it is something that will be seen.

no it is not clear at all...not that way anyway.

it is not something that is visible to your eyes, or a piece of tech.


it is breaking the Commandments of God about worshiping Him...

Satan is coming here pretending to be Jesus Christ returned...
he will be worshiped as God (Christ is God right?), by trickory

worship Satan (pretending to be God) and you'd be breaking the Commandments...thus you will not have God's mark, but Satan's mark instead.

read Ex13, Deut6,11...it is not a tattoo or implant. Same symbology used. Not a coincidence.

The mark is accompanied by worship to the beast. This is very concerning that one can tell his listeners you can have 666 on you and it would not matter and still be a Christian. This is flat out dangerous.

actually that is not what he taches at all..neither do I.

you'd be a deceived Christian...
a seduced one...
a harlot instead of virgin...

get it?

no Christian would willingly worship Satan...not knowingly anyway.


Satan is coming first
to deceive,
seduce,
beguile,
turn Christians (virgins for Christ, waiting to marry Him in purity)
into harlots (for Satan pretending to be Jesus Christ returned)

with supernatural abilities and miracles, l
ooking like a lamb (Rev13:11) and bringing with him peace...(Daniel)



but God said that He Himself has blinded some to the truth, 2Thes2
so God Himself will take the blinders off after they have been delivered to Satan in the flesh (tribulation)...
in the Millennium (Lord's Day),
and save them there. 1Cor5



in Rev18:4 we read that God calls some to come out of Babylon...that means that they were harlots in Babylon...

 

[zeke37]

Statement of faith
Shepherd's Chapel - Statement of Faith - Page 1


answer to critics
Shepherd's Chapel - Answer to Critics

 

[get it right]

calling someone (a Believer in Christ) pathetic,
as you are doing...(and you do that alot)
is insulting and wrong.
It even goes against the Bible's instructions on how to talk to and treat those that believe in Christ.

Judge doctrine all ya want, but leave the personal comments aside please.

It is your doctrines - wrong beliefs, that I call pathetic.(teaching being able to take the beasts mark and still be saved etc.)

You see how often you wrongly accuse, saying I call a believer in Christ pathetic, and that I do it often.

That is simply lies or paranoia, is that not true?