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Do they hold to Apostolic Succession?Plan 9 said:Yes, you can't tell the players without a program around here. LOL
The Methodist Episcopal Church split over abolition, and you can just imagine how discouraging this was to many black Methodists, who left to form two denominations: the African Methodist Episcopal Church and the Christian Methodist Episcopal Church.
The main body reunified after the War Between the States, and, in the 60s merged with the Evangelical United Brethren. The two names were also merged, so that my denomination is now called the United Methodist Church, not to be confused with the Free Methodist Church.
How'm I doing, class?
Colabomb said:Do they hold to Apostolic Succession?
Actually, I don't know.Plan 9 said:There's an interesting question...to which I do not have a definitive answer.
I have lurked in Anglican-Catholic discussions on another board, from which I gained the initial impression that some Anglicans do, some don't seem to, and at least one Catholic reckoned as how Anglicans might have good reason to hold to it.
Wesley, who was an ordained priest Anglican priest throughout his lifetime, and had no desire or intent whatsoever to start a new denomination, is supposed to have laid hands on our first ME bishops, and purposely included the term "Episcopal" in the new denom's name. Where do you think that leaves us? Are the MECs and, perhaps some of their offshoots, still technically Anglican, and therefore should being holding to Apostlic Succession?
Colabomb said:Actually, I don't know.
I am not knowledgable enough on the subject to comment.
Actually, I'm one of those guys that calls Anglicanism Catholic.Plan 9 said:Yeah, me neither.
I also "overread" a facinating discussion of whether or not Anglicans, and therefore we, were true Protestants. Here again, I don't know enough to form any opinion, but I would like to learn more about both subjects, which seem to be related? Somehow?
Your forum has a brainiac, or two, and we have ours, WesleyJohn, but he's gone for a week, I think. Perhaps some brainiac I hadn't envisioned will wander through and help us out?
Do they hold to Apostolic Succession?
Are you asking this about the AME Church or UMC?
My guess is that the answer for both is going to be the same since they have the same roots in the Methodist Episcopal Church, but I am not AME and therefore probably shouldn't speak for them.
The UMC rarely speaks of apostolic succession, but we feel like we can claim it as much as Anglicans can for the reasons already outlined above. Of course, there are those Catholics who would claim that Anglican's don't have it, and I suppose some Anglicans would likewise say that what Wesley and the Methodists did in ordaining Coke and Asbury wasn't valid either. But I can tell you that I have a record of my ordination through the bishop who laid hands on me back all the way back to the Bishop of Canterburry. I'll leave it for you to decide if that means anything of not.
The Catholic theory of Apostolic Succession requires ordination through the laying on of a bishop's hands. Fr Wesley was never a bishop, so could not "validly" ordain anyone.There's an interesting question...to which I do not have a definitive answer.
I have lurked in Anglican-Catholic discussions on another board, from which I gained the initial impression that some Anglicans do, some don't seem to, and at least one Catholic reckoned as how Anglicans might have good reason to hold to it.
Wesley, who was an ordained priest Anglican priest throughout his lifetime, and had no desire or intent whatsoever to start a new denomination, is supposed to have laid hands on our first ME bishops, and purposely included the term "Episcopal" in the new denom's name. Where do you think that leaves us? Are the MECs and, perhaps some of their offshoots, still technically Anglican, and therefore should being holding to Apostlic Succession?
I have often considered the various Wesleyan and Methodist churches as part of (or at least directly influenced by) the evangelical stream of "Anglicanism"; certainly they are a part of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Off topic...
I've also wondered why we humans are so intent on labeling and categorizing ourselves and each other. Although it helps to summarize one's stands and beliefs, the denominations and labels can be a hindrance. We further divide ourselves and continue the 'Tower of Babel' type of separations, and then wonder why we can't/don't get along lol. GBU all.
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