Can someone help me by letting me know some verses that prove that animals don't have feelings? It is so logical and is common sense, but it never occured to me to remember where the Word says so. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!
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Animals don't have FEELINGS!
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ForeRunner
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I am honestly not quite sure what you are asking, or why you are posting in this forum. Animals do have feelings, we are animals, we have feelings. Other animals have feelings as well, do you have any pets?
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"Logical and is common sense" that animals don't have feelings?
Observing the behavior of my cat, I must disagree.
Observing the behavior of my cat, I must disagree.
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Dagna
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Why would you want to prove that animals don't have feelings? For that matter, how do you even know they don't have feelings? For instance, my dog is always excited when I come home, pouts and cries when I yell at her and tell her no, yelps and cries when I accidentally step on her tail...etc etc. Just because they can't put their feelings into words, doesn't mean they don't have any.
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As a pet-owner, I think it is obvious that pets have feelings. Beat a dog, watch it. Leave an animal that is attached to an individual for an extended period of time, and watch it. Love an animal and watch it.
But, I guess you will have to define 'feelings' in the context that you wish us to view it.
But, I guess you will have to define 'feelings' in the context that you wish us to view it.
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Some animals are not self-aware like us and thus do not have feelings per se, just the illusion of them. I would say that some animals near the top of the intelligence tree are self-aware, (chimps, and other apes, dolphins) but where to draw the line is a near impossible question to answer.
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http://www.christianforums.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=143
Christian only science forum for your perusal and enjoyment. A scripture question might be better placed in a theology forum though.
Christian only science forum for your perusal and enjoyment. A scripture question might be better placed in a theology forum though.
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ForeRunner
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What does that matter?
The answers to all the questions in the universe are not found in scripture.
The answers to all the questions in the universe are not found in scripture.
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Pretty sure that they do have feelings actually.... observing animals I find it hard to come to any other conclusion.
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Hey all,
Animals certainly have feelings. If your asking if they have a soul, that would be a different question.
I think the most common misperception about animals is that they have an understanding and a fear of death like humans do. This would require a level or reason that animals do not posses. Many believe that it is the ability to reason that makes man "in the image of God."
Too often we anthropomorphize the human ability to feel terror or anguish over the prospect of death. Our fascination with Disney movies does nothing to help this view either, lol! While an animal will instinctively avoid or flee from danger, it does have the reasoning capacities to fear the "great unknown" (as those humans who don't KNOW often seem to).
I've had many pets and their ability to "feel", their instinctive reaction to my own emotions, and the obvious displays of their own, has never failed to amaze me.
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Perk
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Animals certainly have feelings. If your asking if they have a soul, that would be a different question.
I think the most common misperception about animals is that they have an understanding and a fear of death like humans do. This would require a level or reason that animals do not posses. Many believe that it is the ability to reason that makes man "in the image of God."
Too often we anthropomorphize the human ability to feel terror or anguish over the prospect of death. Our fascination with Disney movies does nothing to help this view either, lol! While an animal will instinctively avoid or flee from danger, it does have the reasoning capacities to fear the "great unknown" (as those humans who don't KNOW often seem to).
I've had many pets and their ability to "feel", their instinctive reaction to my own emotions, and the obvious displays of their own, has never failed to amaze me.
Thanks,
Perk
Perry Perkins
Author
JUST PAST OYSTERVILLE
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JUST PAST OYSTERVILLE will be available everywhere Spring 2004! Pre-order your autographed copy today!
perryperkinsbooks.com
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I guess what I should have said was emotions, not feelings. Feelings can also be instincts, too. I am talking about self-realization.
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I think animals are self aware. The animals I've encountered in my life certianly seem to be. As for a fear of death I doubt that they have it, but I fail to see how a lack of fear of death indicates a lack of soul. I have always simply thought that animals are not concearned with death due to their smaller brain size and inability to 'think ahead' very far.
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I have seen experiments done with Dolphins where they look at themselves in a mirror and decorate themselves with various trinkets put in the tank.
There have also been documented cases of apes dying of grief. I remember one such incident where an older chimpanzee had a child, and they were very attached to eachother. When the mother died the rest of the tribe moved on, but the ape that was so attached to his mother saw her and then saty in a tree alone until he died. It is postulated that he was bascially so grief stricken that he fell into a depressioon and died of thirst/starvation.
There have also been documented cases of apes dying of grief. I remember one such incident where an older chimpanzee had a child, and they were very attached to eachother. When the mother died the rest of the tribe moved on, but the ape that was so attached to his mother saw her and then saty in a tree alone until he died. It is postulated that he was bascially so grief stricken that he fell into a depressioon and died of thirst/starvation.
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I'm curious why it matters to you if animals (iow not humans) have feelings/self awareness? And why you need "proof" from the bible?
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