And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

[Der Alte]

John 12:32

(32) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.​

According to followers of Universal Reconciliation [UR] this verse really means "Christ will forcibly drag all men to Himself," implying kicking and screaming if necessary. This assumption is made because ἑλκύσω/elkuso, the Greek word translated "draw," sometimes refers to actions which would require forcible dragging such as fish nets full of fish see e.g. John 21:6. But the very same word "elkuso" is used to refer to drawing a sword which requires no forcible dragging, at all, John 18:10. It can be done easily and quickly with one hand.
Is there any mention of this supposed forcible dragging of "all men" anywhere in the N.T?
.....There is no forcible dragging when Christ is seated on His throne of glory and all nations are gathered before Him.

Matthew 25:46 And these [on the left. vs. 41] shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.​

.....There is no forcible dragging on judgement day when many, not a few, will come to Jesus and mention all the "wonderful works" they have done in his name but He will say to those many.

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

.....There is no forcible dragging at the Great White throne judgement. ​

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.​

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[PuerAzaelis]

And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will drag everyone to me.

Simon Peter, therefore, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s slave and hacked off his right ear; and the slave’s name was Malchus.

Der Alte hello and thank you however how can you draw a sword out of a scabbard without forcibly dragging it out?

 

[PuerAzaelis]

And these will go to the chastening of that Age, but the just to the life of that Age.

 

[Der Alte]

And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will drag everyone to me.
Simon Peter, therefore, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s slave and hacked off his right ear; and the slave’s name was Malchus.
Der Alte hello and thank you however how can you draw a sword out of a scabbard without forcibly dragging it out?

Read my OP.

 

[Der Alte]

And these will go to the chastening of that Age, but the just to the life of that Age.

Is this scripture? Which Greek word are you "translating" "age?" FYI The word "aionios," which many uninformed folks try to translate as "age," is an adjective. The word "age" is a noun. Can you explain how the adjective "aionios" can be translated as the noun "age?" The adjective "aionios" cannot be translated as "of" anything. That requires the genitive case. Only nouns take the genitive, NOT adjectives.
Just for you a word study I did.

EOB Matthew:25:46 When he will answer them, saying: ‘Amen, I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These [ones on the left vs. 41] will go away into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] punishment, [κόλασις/kolasis] but the righteous into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] life.”[EOB, p. 96]​

…..Greek has been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church since its inception, 2000 years ago +/-. Note, the native Greek speaking Eastern Orthodox Greek scholars, translators of the EOB, linked below, translated “aionios,” in Matt 25:46, as “eternal,” NOT “age.”
…..I doubt there is anyone better qualified than the team of native Greek speaking scholars, translators of the Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible [EOB], quoted above and below, to know the correct translation of the Greek in the N.T.
Link to EOB online:

The New Testament ( The Eastern-Greek Orthodox Bible) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

The New Testament (The Eastern-Greek Orthodox Bible)

archive.org

…..The Greek word “kolasis” occurs only twice in the N.T., 1st occurrence Matt 25:46, above, and 2nd occurrence 1 John 4:18., below.

EOB 1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear is connected with punishment.[κόλασις/kolasis] But the one who fears is not yet perfect in love.[EOB, p. 518]​

In the EOB the Greek word “kolasis” is translated “punishment” in both Matt 25:46 and 1 John 4:18.
…..Some badly informed folks claim “kolasis” really means “prune” or “correction.”
Sorry, that is impossible, both “prune” and “correction” are verbs. “Kolasis” is a noun. A noun cannot be translated as a verb.
Also according to the EOB Greek scholars “kolasis” means “punishment.”
Note: in 1 John 4:18 there is no correction, the one with “kolasis” is not made perfect. Thus “kolasis” does not/cannot mean “correction.”
The word “correction” occurs one time in the N.T.
2 Timothy 3:16 ἐπανόρθωσις/epanorthosis. It looks nothing like kolasis.
…..It is acknowledged that modern Greek differs from koine Greek but I am confident that the native Greek speaking EOB scholars, supported by 2000 years +/- of uninterrupted Greek scholarship, are more than competent enough to know the correct translation of obsolete Greek words which may have changed in meaning or are no longer in use and to translate them correctly. Much as English speaking scholars today know the meaning of obsolete English words which occur in, e.g. the 1611 KJV and can define them correctly.

 

[PuerAzaelis]

God frees souls by dragging them to himself.

 

[Der Alte]

God frees souls by dragging them to himself.

Nice heart warming thought, unfortunately there is no, zero, none, scriptural evidence to support it. Please see my OP, this thread.

 

[PuerAzaelis]

Nice heart warming thought, unfortunately there is no, zero, none, scriptural evidence to support it. Please see my OP, this thread.

Neither is there any scriptural evidence to support bibliolatry.

 

[Der Alte]

Neither is there any scriptural evidence to support bibliolatry.

Thank you for resorting to ad hominem. An accusation without any evidence.

 

[PuerAzaelis]

... evidence.

I'd rather listen to someone closer in time to the Gospels than someone translating in 1904. (The EOB New Testament is a new translation of the official Greek Orthodox text called the Patriarchal Text of 1904).

E.g.:

There are very many in our day, who though not denying the Holy Scriptures, do not believe in endless torments.

Augustine

 

[PuerAzaelis]

Wherefore also he drove him out of paradise and removed him far from the tree of life, not because He envied him the tree of life, as some dare assert, but because He pitied him and desired that he should not be immortal and the evil interminable and irremediable.

Iraneaus of Lyons

 

[PuerAzaelis]

In the thirteenth century, for instance, the East Syrian bishop Solomon of Basra (fl. 1220s and after), in his marvelous Book of the Bee, remarked in a quite matter-of-fact manner that in the New Testament le-alam or aiōnios does not mean “eternal,” and that of course hell is not an interminable condition. And the fourteenth-century East Syrian Patriarch Timotheus II (presided 1318–c. 1332) clearly saw it as uncontroversial to assert that hell’s aiōnios pains will eventually come to an end for everyone, and that the souls cleansed by its fires will enter paradise for eternity.

 

[Der Alte]

I'd rather listen to someone closer in time to the Gospels than someone translating in 1904. (The EOB New Testament is a new translation of the official Greek Orthodox text called the Patriarchal Text of 1904).
E.g.:
There are very many in our day, who though not denying the Holy Scriptures, do not believe in endless torments.
Augustine

NOT scripture, thus irrelevant. Augustine, did not know Greek and was said to hate it, lived in Hippo North Africa. There was no internet, no TV, no radio, no newspapers etc. Augustine might have been able to observe a few hundred in his church and maybe his city. But virtually nothing outside that. Alleged source not identified!

 

[Der Alte]

Wherefore also he drove him out of paradise and removed him far from the tree of life, not because He envied him the tree of life, as some dare assert, but because He pitied him and desired that he should not be immortal and the evil interminable and irremediable.

Iraneaus of Lyons

NOT scripture. Irrelevant! Alleged source not identified.

 

[Der Alte]

In the thirteenth century, for instance, the East Syrian bishop Solomon of Basra (fl. 1220s and after), in his marvelous Book of the Bee, remarked in a quite matter-of-fact manner that in the New Testament le-alam or aiōnios does not mean “eternal,” and that of course hell is not an interminable condition. And the fourteenth-century East Syrian Patriarch Timotheus II (presided 1318–c. 1332) clearly saw it as uncontroversial to assert that hell’s aiōnios pains will eventually come to an end for everyone, and that the souls cleansed by its fires will enter paradise for eternity.

NOT scripture. Irrelevant!
Jesus said three times that "aionios zoe/eternal life" meant "shall not perish." Thus, by Jesus' own words He defines "aionios" as "eternal."
And "aionios," which is an adverb, cannot be translated as "age" which is a noun.
Alleged source not identified.

John 3:15-16
(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal [αἰώνιον] life.
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting [αἰώνιον] life.
John 10:28
(28) And I give unto them eternal [αἰώνιον] life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.​

 

[PuerAzaelis]

Yes, not scripture. The interpreters of scripture. Like your anonymous 1904 committee that produced some translation. I prefer more proximate interpretations of scripture.

 

[PuerAzaelis]

NOT scripture. Irrelevant!
Jesus said three times that "aionios zoe/eternal life" meant "shall not perish." Thus, by Jesus' own words He defines "aionios" as "eternal."
And "aionios," which is an adverb, cannot be translated as "age" which is a noun.
Alleged source not identified.

John 3:15-16​

(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal [αἰώνιον] life.​

(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting [αἰώνιον] life.​

John 10:28​

(28) And I give unto them eternal [αἰώνιον] life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.​

That everyone having faith in him might have the life of the Age. For God so loved the cosmos as to give the Son, the only one, so that everyone having faith in him might not perish, but have the life of the Age.

 

[PuerAzaelis]

And I give them life in the Age, and they most certainly do not perish throughout the age, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.

 

[Der Alte]

That everyone having faith in him might have the life of the Age. For God so loved the cosmos as to give the Son, the only one, so that everyone having faith in him might not perish, but have the life of the Age.

Still pushing the false narrative that the adjective "aionios" can be translated as the noun "age." "Of the" something requires a noun in the genitive case. There ain't one!

 

[Der Alte]

And I give them life in the Age, and they most certainly do not perish throughout the age, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.

More ungrammatical interpretation desperately trying to make scripture back up false beliefs. The words in red are not in the original Greek. Still trying to make the adjective "aionios" become the noun "age."