Amos 9:14-15 Fulfilled, or not?

[OneAccordRM]

Was the prophecy given by the prophet Amos in verses 14&15 fulfilled?


Yes or no?

Amo 9:14 "Also I will restore the captivity of My people Israel, And they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them; They will also plant vineyards and drink their wine, And make gardens and eat their fruit.

Amo 9:15 "I will also plant them on their land, And they will not again be rooted out from their land Which I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

 

[OneAccordRM]

***Preterists and Amils frantically searching internet for a way to refute God in Amos 9:14-15***


Not gonna work guys, face it, you answer the question, you refute your false doctrine.

 

[Interplanner]

What if the "land" they were expecting after exile was not of this earth? after all heb 11 says the members of the "hall of faith" were not looking for anything on this earth anyway!

It is very common for the prophets to express a future day in terms people could understand in the 6th or 4th century BC, but didn't realize that it would take on another fulfillment in Christ, as had the prior verses, which are officially interpreted by the apostles in Acts 15.

If the NT doesn't say how a passage was used, move on. There are 2500 uses of the OT by the NT, so there is plenty of material to work with.

 

[Interplanner]

Heb 11:39 clarifies in case anyone thought v16 was about Judea. It is not.

 

[OneAccordRM]

What if the "land" they were expecting after exile was not of this earth?

Your right! Maybe its on Jupiter!

 

[OneAccordRM]

Heb 11:39 clarifies in case anyone thought v16 was about Judea. It is not.

Nice try!

Its indefensible without calling God a liar, or refuting the preterist/amil heresy for what it is! Thats why I posed the question.


Received not the promise - They all heard of the promises made to Abraham of a heavenly rest, and of the promise of the Messiah, for this was a constant tradition; but they died without having seen this Anointed of the Lord. Christ was not in any of their times manifested in the flesh; and of him who was the expectation of all nations, they heard only by the hearing of the ear. This must be the promise, without receiving of which the apostle says they died.

Clarke-

 

[keras]

None of Amos chapter 9 has been fulfilled as yet.
It is another prophecy about what will happen on the Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath.
Amos 9:5 At the touch of God Almighty, the earth shakes and surges like the Nile and all who live on it will be terrified.
This will be the great 'reset of civilization', an event of Noahic proportions, but this time there are many survivors.
'Jacobs posterity', that is: all true Christian believers, be they his descendants or grafted in by reason of righteousness, will then experience the fulfilment of Amos 9:13-15.
Bring it on Lord!

 

[OneAccordRM]

None of Amos chapter 9 has been fulfilled as yet.
It is another prophecy about what will happen on the Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath.
Amos 9:5 At the touch of God Almighty, the earth shakes and surges like the Nile and all who live on it will be terrified.
This will be the great 'reset of civilization', an event of Noahic proportions, but this time there are many survivors.
'Jacobs posterity', that is: all true Christian believers, be they his descendants or grafted in by reason of righteousness, will then experience the fulfilment of Amos 9:13-15.
Bring it on Lord!

Edit: Im talking about 9:14-15

Im looking for the preterists and amils to destroy their own doctrine by answering the question.

Its checkmate for them, no matter how they answer.

 

[Interplanner]

Clarke's quote does not mean Christ's Gospel was not the promise. It just means that the land was not, and never was. Hebrews makes clear what the city and land are: the heavenly Jerusalem (seen elsewhere) and the unshakeable kingdom.

that's why the land is no where in the key NT passages on the fulfilling of Israel's promises: Eph 2-3, Gal 3, Acts 13's sermon, Rom 4 (at least there you have the world to come), 9-11. In Rom 11:26, saved does not mean 'back in their land'. It means what we have already: sins taken away.

 

[OneAccordRM]

Clarke's quote does not mean Christ's Gospel was not the promise. It just means that the land was not, and never was. Hebrews makes clear what the city and land are: the heavenly Jerusalem (seen elsewhere) and the unshakeable kingdom.

that's why the land is no where in the key NT passages on the fulfilling of Israel's promises: Eph 2-3, Gal 3, Acts 13's sermon, Rom 4 (at least there you have the world to come), 9-11. In Rom 11:26, saved does not mean 'back in their land'. It means what we have already: sins taken away.

You are trying to throw scripture at something bro but to no avail.

God cannot contradict himself.

 

[Interplanner]

well was it a contradiction to say 'tear down this temple and I will rebuild it in 3 days'? Its the same here. In fact, that is sort of a miniature of how the NT uses the OT. IT is always Gospel-centric or Christo-centric. The NT is innovative. It uses OT themes, motifs and images. It is rarely as literal as you suppose.

Literalism is pretty much quashed by christ through out the gospel of John, over and over. Judaism was extremely literal. Maybe the most obvious example is 12:34, becuase they think Messiah was to be a literal ruler over the land.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Was the prophecy given by the prophet Amos in verses 14&15 fulfilled?
Yes or no?

Amo 9:14 "Also I will restore the captivity of My people Israel, And they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them; They will also plant vineyards and drink their wine, And make gardens and eat their fruit.
15 "I will also plant them on their land, And they will not again be rooted out from their land Which I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

Who are those planted in the land today?

I voted yes.........

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[OneAccordRM]

Who are those planted in the land now?


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Are you referring to the Jews in Israel today?

Those decended from the Jews pre 70ad.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by OneAccordRM

Was the prophecy given by the prophet Amos in verses 14&15 fulfilled?
Yes or no?

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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Who are those planted in the land now?
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Are you referring to the Jews in Israel today?

Those decended from the Jews pre 70ad.

So how is that not a fulfillement?


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[OneAccordRM]

So how is that not a fulfillement?


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It is.


I thought you were a preterist?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

So how is that not a fulfillement?

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It is.

I thought you were a preterist?

I am going to answer you the same way you answered me in an earlier post.
I AM A CHRISTIAN!

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

I became a Preterist the first time I read the Bible thru and saw OC Jerusalem as the burning City in Revelation...
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I became a Christian the first time I read the Bible.

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[OneAccordRM]

I am going to answer you the same way you answered me in an earlier post.
I AM A CHRISTIAN!

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Im liking you more and more

 

[OneAccordRM]

LLOJ, I forgot to say thank you for answering!

 

[Danoh]

Clarke's quote does not mean Christ's Gospel was not the promise. It just means that the land was not, and never was. Hebrews makes clear what the city and land are: the heavenly Jerusalem (seen elsewhere) and the unshakeable kingdom.

that's why the land is no where in the key NT passages on the fulfilling of Israel's promises: Eph 2-3, Gal 3, Acts 13's sermon, Rom 4 (at least there you have the world to come), 9-11. In Rom 11:26, saved does not mean 'back in their land'. It means what we have already: sins taken away.

Nonsense! He roars "out of Sion," to "take away their sins," Rom. 11:26, from where God "shall SEND Jesus Christ," Acts 3:20, when He "will bring them to their own land," Ezek. 34:12.

And the city the Hebrew writer is speaking of is the New Jerusalem that John saw "coming DOWN from God, OUT OF heaven," Rev. 21:2.

They will literrally walk into this New Jerusalem, thus, Christ's words about it not being easy "to ENTER into the kingdom of heaven."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Im liking you more and more

I wish I could say the same

J/K.......thanks

LLOJ, I forgot to say thank you for answering!

Welcome........


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