American Kids In Crisis: Daily Caller’s ‘Do No Harm’ To Expose Fallout Of The Transgender Movement

rambot · Nov 28, 2023

SeventhFisherofMen said:
Imagine reading the whole article, being presented with proof that kids are going through such trauma, it's right there in front of you how badly treated these brainwashed children are, and then logging into a Christian and i repeat CHRISTIAN forum all just to defend these failed excuses for a doctor. Lol couldn't be me View attachment 339798

The regret rate for Trans surgeries is under 1% (read as small as 0.3%)
The regret rate for all surgeries is 16%

20% regret a knee replacement
21% regret corrective spinal surgery

Honestly I think the fight against this procedure is based on people THINKING they know what's best for someone else with having absolutely no idea what's going on.
And that kind of thing happens when people don't listen properly.

And I can't help but think these same people would also likely have refused to touch a person with AIDS back in the 80s.

RDKirk · Nov 28, 2023

rambot said:
The regret rate for Trans surgeries is under 1% (read as small as 0.3%)
The regret rate for all surgeries is 16%

20% regret a knee replacement
21% regret corrective spinal surgery

Honestly I think the fight against this procedure is based on people THINKING they know what's best for someone else with having absolutely no idea what's going on.
And that kind of thing happens when people don't listen properly.

And I can't help but think these same people would also likely have refused to touch a person with AIDS back in the 80s.

It's going to take about 20 years to know the "regret rate" of current policies for minors.

Trying to claim that knowledge now is like back in the 80s when people were claiming that "mommy alone" raising the kids was turning out just fine.

ozso · Nov 28, 2023

rambot said:
The regret rate for Trans surgeries is under 1% (read as small as 0.3%)
The regret rate for all surgeries is 16%

20% regret a knee replacement
21% regret corrective spinal surgery

Honestly I think the fight against this procedure is based on people THINKING they know what's best for someone else with having absolutely no idea what's going on.
And that kind of thing happens when people don't listen properly.

And I can't help but think these same people would also likely have refused to touch a person with AIDS back in the 80s.

The issue is it being done to children.

rambot · Nov 28, 2023

1. Not THE issue....YOUR issue.

2.And you don't protest other procedures deemed medically necessary by health professionals on kids.

So I dont think kids is the issue. I think the assumption you know better than doctors may be the real issue.

RDKirk said:
It's going to take about 20 years to know the "regret rate" of current policies for minors.

Trying to claim that knowledge now is like back in the 80s when people were claiming that "mommy alone" raising the kids was turning out just fine.

Why stop at 20? Why not say we have to wait til they're 80 years old?

The fact is that these kids who are receiving this procedure OVERWHELMINGLY are happy with it. You can sit and wait for the "other shoe to drop" but thus far, y'all don't really have a leg to stand on.
And again, it comes back to the fact that detractors aren't listening to these children; To be clear, I mean "listening with the purpose of understanding".

RDKirk · Nov 28, 2023

rambot said:
1. Not THE issue....YOUR issue.

2.And you don't protest other procedures deemed medically necessary by health professionals on kids.

So I dont think kids is the issue. I rhino your assumption you know better than doctors may be the real issue.

Why stop at 20? Why not say we have to wait til they're 80 years old?

The fact is that these kids who are receiving this procedure OVERWHELMINGLY are happy with it. You can sit and wait for the "other shoe to drop" but thus far, y'all don't really have a leg to stand on.
And again, it comes back to the fact that detractors aren't listening to these children; To be clear, I mean "listening with the purpose of understanding".

You can begin to make the judgement of a rapid major social change in child rearing in about 20 years when you see what kind of adults it produces...I'd think that would be obvious.

rambot · Nov 28, 2023

RDKirk said:
You can begin to make the judgement of a rapid major social change in child rearing in about 20 years when you see what kind of adults it produces...I'd think that would be obvious.

uh....Define "rapid".
And then help me understand how prevelent you believe GAS to be in terms of what % of the population have in the past, currently, and in the hellscape of the future, undergone the surgery.

And I gotta say that, as a teacher, gender assignment is one a host of problems with parents today and, in terms of "the kind of adults" that will get produced, there are FAAAAAAAR more impactful actions than this one ABSOLUTELY miniscule problem.

Compare, for example, how many teenagers have cell phones and social media accounts compared to how many are questioning their identity.

The ONLY thing I'd be curious about in 20 years is how many kids regret their surgery.

Chrystal-J · Nov 28, 2023

A2SG said:
I dunno...what other areas of pediatric medicine put a patient's medical decisions up to public vote?

If they act like Mengele, then yeah, the public should step in.

A2SG · Nov 28, 2023

Chrystal-J said:
If they act like Mengele, then yeah, the public should step in.

That isn't happening.

-- A2SG, so we're good, then....

Chrystal-J · Nov 28, 2023

A2SG said:
That isn't happening.

-- A2SG, so we're good, then....

Really? Puberty blockers that destroy reproductive organs aren't something Mengele would love to dabble in?

rambot · Nov 28, 2023

Chrystal-J said:
Really? Puberty blockers that destroy reproductive organs aren't something Mengele would love to dabble in?

Here's kind of an important question:
Is the patient WILLING?

Because if I start bombarding you with radiation, you'd be upset by that. Of course, if you have cancer and that bombardment was directed in the from of treatment and you don't WANT cancer, then you'd probably be happy.

So....

SeventhFisherofMen · Nov 28, 2023

rambot said:
Here's kind of an important question:
Is the patient WILLING?

Because if I start bombarding you with radiation, you'd be upset by that. Of course, if you have cancer and that bombardment was directed in the from of treatment and you don't WANT cancer, then you'd probably be happy.

So....

Same reason we have age of consent laws is the same reason you shouldn't let a child make a permanent life decision before 18/21. why this is even an argument is beyond me.

rambot · Nov 28, 2023

SeventhFisherofMen said:
Same reason we have age of consent laws is the same reason you shouldn't let a child make a permanent life decision before 18/21. why this is even an argument is beyond me.

[Sigh] in consultation with their parents; their parents legally make that choice.

Funny though. I understand EXACTLY why this is an argument.

There are many life decisions made before then.

And how many choices do people make when they are young that they regret when the are older? Maybe many....

And yet for GAS, that number hovers around 1%

iluvatar5150 · Nov 28, 2023

RileyG said:
Leave children alone and stop with the gender ideology!!

I agree.

Merrill · Nov 28, 2023

rambot said:
Here's kind of an important question:
Is the patient WILLING?

Because if I start bombarding you with radiation, you'd be upset by that. Of course, if you have cancer and that bombardment was directed in the from of treatment and you don't WANT cancer, then you'd probably be happy.

So....

What child is "willing" at age 8 or 12?

We have age of consent laws in the US, and NO child is capable of making life-altering decisions that are elective, before then. We don't let kids drink or do drugs, we don't let them get botox and nose jobs when they are 14.

The transgender movement and efforts to target kids in the US was largely launched by billionaire transgender advocate "Jennifer Pritzker", who donated tens of millions to activist groups, far-left medical advocacy, and legislative efforts. European health systems and hospitals have almost completely abandoned transitioning kids citing insufficient research and bad outcomes:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-07-12/why-european-countries-are-rethinking-gender-affirming-care-for-minors#:~:text=Citing%20insufficient%20research%2C%20European%20health,gender%2Daffirming%20care%20for%20minors.

the "studies" and "evidence" leftists point to in order to justify transing kids here in the US is of dubious quality, non peer-reviewed, and contradicted by many other legitimate studies. But this is all academic, there is NO justification for castrating kids

The US is so far gone that we now have the most radical transgender complex in the world, along with the most permissive abortion laws (in numerous states). We chemically castrate 10 year-olds and abort babies at 8 months. Even liberal Europeans are horrified by our behavior

rambot · Nov 28, 2023

iluvatar5150 said:
I agree.

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Ooof....that kinda thing DIGUSTS my daughter.

She's awesome.

Desk trauma · Nov 28, 2023

Chrystal-J said:
If they act like Mengele, then yeah, the public should step in.

And we have Godwin. Thanks for coming everyone, we can reconvene in another thread this one now having been forfeit.

iluvatar5150 · Nov 28, 2023

Merrill said:
What child is "willing" at age 8 or 12?

We have age of consent laws in the US, and NO child is capable of making life-altering decisions that are elective, before then. We don't let kids drink or do drugs, we don't let them get botox and nose jobs when they are 14.

Define "elective".

Sure, purely cosmetic procedures are elective, but what about corrective procedures that improve quality of life by treating conditions that are far from life-threatening? Are they elective, too? Would you get this upset over a child undergoing surgery for a deviated septum or a cleft palate?

Because that's the category in which I'd place gender reassignment surgery. If you're treating gender dysphoria as being akin to not liking the size of your nose, then you fundamentally misunderstand the issue - at least judging by the descriptions I've been given by all of the trans folks I've known.

Chrystal-J · Nov 28, 2023

A 3 year old doesn't even know what "gender identity" is unless some twisted adult tells them about it. I don't know how much free will is involved with a male child being put in a dress. That's an adult kind of evil.

KCfromNC · Nov 28, 2023

iluvatar5150 said:
Define "elective".

Sure, purely cosmetic procedures are elective, but what about corrective procedures that improve quality of life by treating conditions that are far from life-threatening? Are they elective, too? Would you get this upset over a child undergoing surgery for a deviated septum or a cleft palate?

If I didn't already know why, I'd wonder why there wasn't the same level of crazy manufactured outrage against teenagers getting braces. But I think we do know why - because that's an elective procedure that "normal" people also have done, so it won't really do as well at riling up low information voters.

KCfromNC · Nov 28, 2023

Chrystal-J said:
A 3 year old doesn't even know what "gender identity" is unless some twisted adult tells them about it. I don't know how much free will is involved with a male child being put in a dress. That's an adult kind of evil.

One can google "boys christening gown" for more examples of this "adult kind of evil".

Or perhaps that case of putting boys in dresses, uh, I mean gowns is different, you know, because reasons and such.

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