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Afros, Locks, & Kosher Wigs: What Hair Styles Do You Feel Jesus/Early Hebrews had?

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Concerning why I was writing this, there was something that came up sometime ago involving someone claiming that the Jewish/Hebrew people were originally ones that had Afro-Textured hairstyles. Although I disagreed with the conclusions made by the individual who brought Afro-Textured hairstyles, there were some good points shared on how there's good basis for considering some ways early Hebrews may have appeared. One of the pictures used to make this connection was an image of Israelites as Captives of the Assyrians that can easily be found via Google Image Search. From the palace of Sennacherib, approx. 680 b.c.e.(ref. II Kings 18:13-14):


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Hair styles (as previously brought up) seemed somewhat similar to individuals like this:

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Another pic is a close-up of a large wall relief depicting Assyrian King Sennacherib’s Attack/conquest of the Judean City of Lachish - 701 B.C. British museum, London found here.

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The captive's hairstyles seemed to stand out to me. For another, this one (found here at Bible Archeology Info) is demonstrating absue of the captives of the conquered city of Lachish in 701 BC:


There's also this one, a relief from Ninevah approx. 678 b.c.e (as Israelites were known for their strong musical abilities):​

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For another, in which the hair style seem similar to mini dread locks:​


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Doing my own research, there was another specific picture I was able to discover...found here. It is Rameses II, the Pharoah who is speculated to have been the one who was around during the Exodus account. The Egyptian wall art depicts Ramses holding what is suspected to be three slaves. One is black, one appears to be East Asian, and the third, in the foreground, appears to be Semitic. The blacks and Semite came from close by, although the East Asian leaves us wondering.

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To me, again, I found it interesting to see how the captives interestingly enough had what appeared to be "locks" (as best as one could make out, IMHO)...as that was a common hair style throughout differing parts of Africa...and in regards to the various African tribes that wear locks, the styles changed from one group to another. The warriors of The Maasai tribesmen of Kenya are famous for their long, thin, red dreadlocks (as those men dye heir hair red with root extracts), whereas in West Africa what are known as Fetish priests often wear locks...and in Benin the Yoruba priests of Olokun, the Orisha of the deep ocean, wear locks...and the Hemba people in the southeast of Congo-Kinshasa also dye their locks red, but their style is thicker than that of the Maasai. Other groups/tribes include the Fang people of Gabon, the Mende of Sierra Leone, and the Turkana people of Kenya..

Even Egyptian Pharoahs had dreadlocks, such as King Amenehmet III ''The dreadlocked Pharaoh''..and mummified remains of ancient Egyptians with locks, as well as locked wigs, have also been recovered from archaeological sites. One example being Maiherperi, who was an Ancient Egyptian noble of Nubian origin buried in the Valley of the Kings, in tomb KV36..hair still in tact. Considering Egypt's extensive power/influence, it would not be suprising to see others from differing cultures coming to Egypt and bringing their styles with them while also patterning themselves after those in power.

As it stands, the Hebrew people lived amongst the Egyptians for a long time even before the Exodus and there was alot of cultural exchange that occurred (more shared here and here )...and just as Joseph shaved his beard/married an Egyptian wife when it came to assimilation into aspects of Egyptian culture, it's more than possible other Hebrews may've done the same. Although I am not of the mindset that all Hebrews HAD to somehow have the style----as do many in crazy places like the Black Israelites who claim all Jews had to have black features---part of me is open to the fact that it would not be surprising to see others having it just as other hair textures/styles were present.




The Israelites primarily focused on in the Bible were of Hamitic and Semetic ancestry. A lot of things in regards to hair styles amongst the early Hebrew people stand out in light of some events shared back in 2008 when Tel-Aviv University anthropologist in Israel said he believed early Hebrews looked more like black Africans than the people who now live in the Middle East. Specifically, Yair Ben David, working with scientists from the Russian Foundation of Fundamental Investigation, conducted a facial reconstruction using the skull of a male from the Hellenistic Period and a female from the Roman Period, the Haartz newspaper reported. While the man looked very similar to today's Middle Eastern man, the woman's face had "equatorial (African)" characteristics...all research published in the German journal Anthropoligischer Anzeiger. For more, one can go here:
The research caused much stir since historically, it was often met with resistance to say those who are Jewish in the scriptures would look akin to Blacks....and only within the latter part of the previous century was there alot of education occurring to show how diverse Jewish people could be. But to me, it never made sense to limit features to one description since Israel was always a meeting point of Africa and Asia and necessarily had mixed populations. For anyone not aware, Jewish anthropologist Maurice Fishberg back in 1911 stated that the Ancient Hebrews of the biblical region possessed largely negroid features such as woolly hair, dark skin, thick lips that folded, large heads, and projecting jaws. Where ever the tribes settled down they intermixed with the local population. Therefor the Jews in China looked Chinese, the Jews in Poland looked Polish etc. Here and Here is the link to Maurice Fishbergs book he sums his findings up on page 120 and oage 181 .The subject had me processing later how differing hair styles have often been a very in-depth subject within Jewish culture....and those outside of Jewish culture have often been rather fascinated with it. I'm always amazed at conversations I've had with others Gentiles who say Yeshua could never have had a hairstyle akin to dreadlocks... even though other Jewish individuals have noted that there are other Jews throughout history who had kinky/matted hair and the hair, long like that of a Nazarene, often seemed very much like dreads. Just as many Jewish individuals do today.

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Cohens (the priest caste of Judaism) were forbidden to cut their hair or to comb it. They found ways around it - but they were not supposed to “pass iron through their hair”...and the Nazarites took a vow to never cut their hair, and in their vow they dedicated their head to God, popular Nazarites being Samuel, John the Baptist, and Samson. Particularly noteworthy are descriptions of James the Just, first Bishop of Jerusalem, who is supposed by many to have had dreadlocks like many with Afro-Texture hair.

As Hegesippus (via Eusebius) describes James:
He was holy from his mother’s womb; and he drank no wine nor strong drink, nor did he eat flesh. No razor came upon his head; he did not anoint himself with oil, and he did not use the bath. (Ecclesiastical History 2.23.5)
If one interprets Hegesippus’ account as describing James the Just as a Nazirite, then it's possible for one to infer (based on Judges 16:13, 19) that James had “locks” (מחלפות) of hair, as did Samson - who is often held as the Nazirite par excellence. Personally, I do think the Messiah had a hairstyle that was similar to dreadlocks. For many saying that many of the hairstyles seen in differing aspects of black culture have no root in Africa, part of me is always reminded of how things like the African Diaspora made a signficant impact on taking differing hair styles abroad...with many who were African Jews being scattered as well/bringing things with them. Others have often said that all Jewish individuals must have straight hair because their image of Jewish culture is based on what they see with Middle-Eastern Jews in Israel.

And for others, it's simply a matter of preference when considering the ways that hair styles are not always specified within the scriptures and thus one cannot know for certain what style of hair all Jewish men had....nor could one (in the eyes of others) be fully aware of what hair styles may have been spread via word of mouth and thus landed in Israel, making a lot of things possible. It's already the case that Afro-Textured hair styles were never limited to people in African nations.......for similar hair styles have been found all over the world historically, many times spreading due to others simply making contact. It's already the case, for example, that many Asians have Afro-Textured hair styles due to cultural exchanges that've often happen amongst groups and many blacks living in places like Japan have their hair done by Japanese individuals all the time.... And if that's possible, why would the same also not be present in Jewish culture since they always had many cultures coming together in the times of Roman Occupation?

Either way, if anyone would like to share, What kind of hair style did you grow up with? What hairstyles do you feel would not have been acceptable? Do you know of any resources available that discuss the historical styles of hair that were present in Israel? And what do you feel Yeshua/Jesus would have looked like alongside other Jewish individuals or Hebrews in His own time?:):cool:

Whatever your thoughts may be, would love to hear sometime. Hair is a really big deal within the Black community...and being Black Hispanic/West Indian myself, it has always been something that fascinates me. IMHO, it always makes for interesting insights :D For reference:


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Easy G (G²);61150959 said:
One of the pictures used to make this connection was an image of Israelites as Captives of the Assyrians that can easily be found via Google Image Search. From the palace of Sennacherib, approx. 680 b.c.e.(ref. II Kings 18:13-14):


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For another, in which the hair style seem similar to mini dread locks:​


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When thinking on it, there are some features many modern-day Jews have today that seem similar to the people in pictures. One of them is of a Messianic Rabbi of the Cohanim ( Messianic Rabbi Jonathan ). Researched him and some of his pics are interesting when comparing them to pictures from antiquity...as I can definately see some of the early Israelites looking like him:


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Also, someone who came to my mind as I was talking with my brother in Christ is the minister known as Andraé Crouch , one of the greatest pionerring Jewish R&B /Gospel artists EVER who was in the same great era of the Jesus People Movement with other great Jewish song writers such as Keith Green, also looks akin to the people depicted in the murals.








I've often wondered if Jesus could've possibly had similar features. With Yeshua, although not certain of his hair type, I definately can see him having a beard. ...as seen in Isaiah 50:6 – "I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting." In this prophetic passage we learn that Jesus not only had a beard, but that it was long enough to be ripped out by those who tortured him to death." How long the beard was, who knows....​

There've been really sharp debates on the nature of Jews/Hebrews and beards, many noting that it'd not make sense for Christ to not have a beard since that was something (in their view) that all Hebrews would have been for. However, I don't know how far one could go with that. Even in the pictures from antiquity showing the Hebrews with beards, I wonder if it could be said that all Hebrews had one. With the beard dynamic, I have to remember that there was indeed a cultural aspect to it. When asking the question "What does the Bible say about having facial hair?", one of the main explicit rules concerning facial hair in the Bible is found in Lev. 19:27, which says, ‘You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard" (NASB). Lev. 19:26-28 has other laws connected to it, such as not making markings unto in the flesh for the dead...and the cutting of beards is something many commentators have said occurred because God was really commanding His People not to cut or to trim their beards because of grief toward the dead---a pagan practice. They were not to ‘mar’ or destroy their beards. For Pagan reason’s only. Most people read a lot into this as to say we should never trim or cut a beard. Which is incorrect.​

Others with beards keep their facial hair nicely trim at all times cause it has nothing to do with a pagan practice. Its because they want to look their best and not like a sasquatch:D. Apart from that, nothing is said in the Bible for or against beards. The only other text that's explicit about beards is Leviticus 21:4-6 , which was in regards to priests not being allowed to shave their beards.​


With beards, the best that one can say (IMHO) was that it was really a cultural thing that was valued in the same way that the Afro was valued amongst African Americans. With beards, it was considered a disgrace for an adult man not to have a beard (2 Samuel 10:4-5) within Jewish culture.....and because it was part of Israelite life for a man to have a beard, the Bible has only a few direct references to beards. However, those mentioned are significant and set precedence for a man having a beard as a big deal. Apart from Yeshua, the Bible refers to the following people as having beards:​

Aaron the High Priest – Psalm 133
King David – 1 Samuel 21:13
Ezra the scribe – Ezra 9:3

These are all significant people...and for significant people without beards, Joseph comes to mind--as he shaved his in Egypt ( Genesis 41:13-15 ) in regards to cultural assimilation.
 
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Afros, Locks, & Kosher Wigs: What Hair Styles Do You Feel Jesus/Early Hebrews had?

Everyone knows that Jesus was a white guy with blue eyes and brown hair. His picture is all over CF.
All over the internet too :)

Isaiah 53:1 Who believed what we have heard? And the arm of Yahweh, to whom was it revealed?
2 When He came up as a sapling before Him and as a root-sprout out of dry ground.
He had neither beauty nor majesty when we beheld Him, there was nothing to behold, that we should desire Him;

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All over the internet too :)

Isaiah 53:1 Who believed what we have heard? And the arm of Yahweh, to whom was it revealed?
2 When He came up as a sapling before Him and as a root-sprout out of dry ground.
He had neither beauty nor majesty when we beheld Him, there was nothing to behold, that we should desire Him;

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Yep. Jesus may have been bald for all we know, i think

Probably not a white guy though.
 
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dread locks must have universal implications, inthe soul of man.:)
But can one atain salvation thru 'em
Yep. Jesus may have been bald for all we know, i think

Probably not a white guy though.

1 Corin 11:14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?

Jeremiah 48:37 "For every head [shall be] bald and every beard clipped;
On all the hands [shall be] cuts, and on the loins sackcloth --

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What about male pattern baldness, everyone looks so furry, then and now?:)
Granted, there were men in the scriptures who happened to be bald:


Leviticus 13:40
“A man who has lost his hair and is bald is clean.
Leviticus 13:39-41 / Leviticus 13

2 Kings 2:23
[ Elisha Is Jeered ] From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
2 Kings 2:22-24 (
Elisha took his baldness serious....:cool:
 
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dread locks must have universal implications, inthe soul of man.:)

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As much as I like Predator and think he's cool......no, the man does not represent what man is on the inside (IMHO).
 
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Yep. Jesus may have been bald for all we know, i think.
Some of my friends had a good dialouge on that recently, as there was a debate on what Christ looked like and how others would want to go back/see him...and yet, due to stereotypes of him, they probably would not even see him if they walked past him. Some say he had to look muscular since he was a Carpenter (or Mason/Stone cutter, as the word "carpenter" has also been used to describe according to scholars)....and he worked outdoors. Anyone fasting for 40 days/night and walking on foot in the desert for so long has to be in some good shape......and in the temple when he was driving the merchants out with a whip, it seemed like no one tried to really stop him. Perhaps he was just a big muscular guy that no one dared to mess with.

But on the same token, Isaiah 53 said that there was no beauty of majesty in him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him at all. And one of my friends was noting that Christ could have looked like the person whom we'd be prone to say is really fat/big boned...and perhaps had a crooked nose and eyes that looked funny. Truly someone that no one thought was attractive and that people would naturally pass by (until they became powerful), just as it is today when people have standards of beauty and label others as not worth it based on how they look.

And he could easily have been bald in light of how other Jewish men were also bald in that time frame.

I would definately have loved to go back/see what they looked like in the times they lived in. In the era of Christ, you really had to be prepared for anything/on your toes...
 
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
But can one atain salvation thru 'em

I love that sig verse from James, it happens to be one of my favorites, thank you for putting it in my face everyday, it actually helps me remember it. :)
Thank you. One of mine also :thumbsup:
 
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Jesus may have been bald for all we know, i think

Probably not a white guy though.

There was another thread elsewhere on that issue you may be interested in (seen here and here), as it concerns the many ways that Christ has consistently been presented within a Eurocentric perspective......for many churches seem to literally get up/in arms if ever seeing a presentation of Christ as someone of color, especially considering the ways Christ is depicted within the culture of the West Indies.

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But much of history was written by the victors and giving their image (i.e. a Euro-Centric viewpoint that makes all other cultures inferior to it, with Africa being deemed as backward rather than acknowledging the many contributions it actually gave). If you've ever heard of Thomas Oden, he has an excellent book on the matter which really went in-depth on the matter, entitled How Africa Shaped the Christian Mind: Rediscovering the African Seedbed of Western Christianity



One can find out more about his work here. Concerning his books, as another reviewer said best, it is a blessing seeing the work of Oden in discussing the ways Africa shaped the faith of believers rather than going with the standard Western view that Africa came "late" on the scene and the true definition of Christianity was a Euro-centric one, often based in imperialism....and even though people may wonder on whether it was Fate or Chance that Africa was treated the way it was, I'm glad for folks like Oden sharing on how the record needs to be set straight with challenging the dominant views rather than assuming that just because a story's presented one way means that it must be the correct one. To me, it's always odd to see others assuming it's generally those who are black racists who'd advocate such..for the very fact that he'd mention all that he did about Christianity from an African perspective as a Caucasian himself is already striking enough since many of the things he noted were facts/concepts that (as I've often heard it claimed) one would expect to hear from those within black culture with Afro-Centric views.

I'm thankful for others being different when coming from camps that're known to have specific viewpoints---and it is indeed refereshing to see others confirm the reality that following Yeshua from an African perspective is not something counter to the scriptures if simply understanding history alone. Christianity (as well as Judaism, from which Christianity evolved from) has always had ties to Africa...and by extension, the same goes for what occurs in the West Indies/Islands when studying the history of those transported from Africa to that location

With Oden, I'm a big fan of his works in patristics and I appreciate what he noted about possessing a far more orthodox theology based on ancient ecumenical consensus. There is a great need for those in the body involved in paleo-orthodoxy...for what we don't remember about the past can often be the cause of things we wish we'd not remember/see in the present. Eric Landstrom said it best in one of his articles, as seen here.
 
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But can one atain salvation thru 'em


1 Corin 11:14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?

IMHO, what Paul was talking on didn't seem seperate from what the Torah already noted when it came to celebrating long hair (as with the Nazarites)....and in I Corinthians 11, he was speaking to Gentiles predominately.

To me, its always interesting to see when examining/inquiring as to whether or not people wish to go the entire way with concepts they're willing to go to war over----as in some pentecostal churches, the "hair debate" is naturally ventured into alongside the concept of women being silent in churches/not being pastors....as in many churches, women are not allowed to wear hats...and they cannot cut their hair..with it always being long. And plenty of denominations that have sprung up in battle over the issue. By all means, they have freedom to do that...as in some churches where women cannot cut their hair, I would've loved to see what it looked like, as it must've been beautiful----but then again, so were the hair styles of the women in the churches I grew up in who had short hair. The hat/head dresses people often wore/advertised in the Black Church have always been amazing to me....





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If the hair was long, for some of them, it was the good old fashion "Weave"/"Wig" from "Sally's Beauty Salon" that made the difference--if you know what I'm talking about ( lol lol lol).

But for those who had it short, if I may say, 1 Cor. 11:14, 15 ----In talking about head coverings and length of hair, I think its good when one seeks to understand the Greek. Greek was written without punctuation. Whether these verses are a question or a statement has to be determined by the context. The punctuation that we have in our bibles are there because of the translator’s interpretation of what Paul is saying but not all agree that Paul is asking a question.

IMHO, Paul was saying that believers should look and behave in ways that are HONORABLE within their own culture. In many cultures long hair on men is considered appropriate and masculine. For example, Does nature teach us that men should have short hair and that women should have long hair? No, nature doesn’t teach us that at all. The hair on a boys head grow just as the hair on a girls head. Nature does not teach us that there is a difference. Does nature teach us that it is a shame for a man to have long hair? In many cultures men have long hair and they are not ashamed. ….and likewise with women in many African countries who have shaved heads , God has designed some hair to show that these hairs are different.



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This brings us to the second thing that we need to know about this passage, IMHO. We need to know that the glory of hair belongs to “himself or herself” not to just “women”.
1 Corinthians 11:15 (ISV)…nor that hair is a woman’s glory, for hair is given as a substitute for coverings.


In Corinth, LONG-HAIR was thought to be a sign of male prostitution in the pagan temples . And Women with short hair were labeled as prostitutes…..and what Paul was saying was that in the Corinthian Culture, Christian women should keep their hair long, for if short hair on women was a sign of prostitution, then a Christian woman with short hair would find it even more difficult to be a believable witness for Jesus Christ.

Paul wasn’t saying that we should adopt ALL the practices of our culture, but that we should avoid the appearances and behavior that DETRACT from our ultimate goal of being believable witnesses for Jesus while demonstrating our Christian Faith. This is not to say that long hair itself was not HIGHLY valuable within the Jewish culture---as Mikhael noted well when it came to the ways that Jewish women/men valued their hair...and the men were commanded not to shave their beards.

Some think the general idea is that we are not to look in a manner that draws attention to ourselves or is unbecoming in the assembly of saints---and they say a covering on the head would maintain a level of ensuring nobody is trying to draw glances to themselves. For most cultures, men keep their hair shorter than woman and that’s the majority norm in America too. And being for Anthropology myself, the ways in which differing cultures interact have always been fascinating....
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Everyone knows that Jesus was a white guy with blue eyes and brown hair.

He probably had dark skin features, IMHO. I know growing up I'd often hear others in conversations share how they felt Christ may've had white hair and a bronze complexion. They based their views off of what is seen in Revelation:
Revelation 1:13-15/Revelation 1
14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters


To see a brown skin Jewish rabbi with white hair would be wild :) But apart from that, many people from the Middle East/Near-Middle East and other cultures have tended to have either olive or dark complexion....

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It's wild seeing some places that refuse to consider Christ looking different than how he has been presented in traditional churches.....and the same goes for how many view the Hebrews.

Seeing the ways others look all over the world, it reminded me of something another once noted when their friend saw someone from Ethiopia and asked him on his ethnic group....and when the Ethiopian said he was Jewish, the response was "Jews don't look like you!!!"---with the Ethiopian saying back ":confused: I thought all Jews looked like us" since his exposure to the Jews of other cultures was as limited as the man who had no idea Jews could look Ethiopian. I'm thankful for other places that've sought to aid in the issue of presenting diversity within the Jewish world---as seen in Be'chol Lashon | Advocating for the Growth and Diversity of the Jewish People :)
 
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Easy G (G²);61152284 said:
But much of history was written by the victors and giving their image (i.e. a Euro-Centric viewpoint that makes all other cultures inferior to it, with Africa being deemed as backward rather than acknowledging the many contributions it actually gave). If you've ever heard of Thomas Oden, he has an excellent book on the matter which really went in-depth on the matter, entitled How Africa Shaped the Christian Mind: Rediscovering the African Seedbed of Western Christianity
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I had heard of the first man possibly being in Africa.
Can't rememeber what program it was.

Any idea how tall adam and ever were when YAHWEH created them?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7616451-2/#post59383949
Start Of Humanity On Earth And Adam

African DNA - Welcome to African DNA

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