ABC (Australia) News - "Is Trump the AntiChrist"

[Bob Crowley]

I'm not an admirer of Donald Trump but I don't think he is the anti-Christ. I do have my suspicions of another American political figure, but he's been very quiet for the last few years so I could easily be wrong. However my old Presbyterian pastor nominated the figure I've got in mind, saying "Something seems to come through his voice" and "He's rotten to the core". The last phrase was a sentiment expressed word for word by an ABC journalist to my surprise, but she died a few years ago.

There was an opinion peace in the ABC (Australia) onine news today entitled "Is Trump the Anti-Christ"?

The author is Robyn Whitaker, Associate Professor of New Testament at the University of Divinity, founding Director of The Wesley Centre for Theology, Ethics, and Public Policy and author of Even the Devil Quotes Scripture.

Is Trump the antichrist? That’s the wrong question - ABC Religion & Ethics

The whole point of the Book of Revelation is that evil is embodied in regimes that transcend any individual. However much his actions run contrary to Christian teaching, Trump is only part of a much larger phenomenon.

www.abc.net.au

I disagree with her assertion that "... there is no one antichrist..." I think there will be although there are, have been and will be many types of anti-Christs.

So let’s ask the provocative question: is Donald Trump the antichrist? The short answer is no, because there is no one antichrist. To claim that the number 666 refers to a specific person is to misunderstand the symbolic and polyvalent nature of the ancient biblical texts.

The Catholic Catechism states that ...

The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh. 575

676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgement.

The opinion piece was not an item I expected to see in the ABC news which I think is a bit left wing, although I find they're usually accurate as a news source. I like their uncluttered online news site, and generally refer to them for my newsworthy information. I don't watch much television news although I often see our local Channel 7 news in passing as I'm likely to be cooking or eathing our evening meal around that time. My wife watches Channel 7 in the main, and is an addict to "Home and Away", which is a Channel 7 soapie set in "Summer Bay".

 

[RandyPNW]

I'm not an admirer of Donald Trump but I don't think he is the anti-Christ. I do have my suspicions of another American political figure, but he's been very quiet for the last few years so I could easily be wrong. However my old Presbyterian pastor nominated the figure I've got in mind, saying "Something seems to come through his voice" and "He's rotten to the core". The last phrase was a sentiment expressed word for word by an ABC journalist to my surprise, but she died a few years ago.

There was an opinion peace in the ABC (Australia) onine news today entitled "Is Trump the Anti-Christ"?

The author is Robyn Whitaker, Associate Professor of New Testament at the University of Divinity, founding Director of The Wesley Centre for Theology, Ethics, and Public Policy and author of Even the Devil Quotes Scripture.

Is Trump the antichrist? That’s the wrong question - ABC Religion & Ethics

The whole point of the Book of Revelation is that evil is embodied in regimes that transcend any individual. However much his actions run contrary to Christian teaching, Trump is only part of a much larger phenomenon.

www.abc.net.au

I disagree with her assertion that "... there is no one antichrist..." I think there will be although there are, have been and will be many types of anti-Christs.


The Catholic Catechism states that ...


The opinion piece was not an item I expected to see in the ABC news which I think is a bit left wing, although I find they're usually accurate as a news source. I like their uncluttered online news site, and generally refer to them for my newsworthy information. I don't watch much television news although I often see our local Channel 7 news in passing as I'm likely to be cooking or eathing our evening meal around that time. My wife watches Channel 7 in the main, and is an addict to "Home and Away", which is a Channel 7 soapie set in "Summer Bay".

I don't think Trump is a "solid Christian" but he certainly is representing the "Christian position" currently. He is attacked, just like all Christians are, because his views are perceived as "narrow," just as Christian views in general are.

The media, generally, here in the US is left-wing. It has long been such, but in recent times has gone farther Left, just as the Democrat Party here has. So there is a real struggle here in the US between the parties and between the two separate entities that describe this "Culture War."

Like you I think there will be a literal single Antichrist to emerge in the last days. I think "666" was a numerical figure cryptically depicting the name of the original Roman leadership. Its purpose was to show that an evil leader will emerge to lead Roman Civilization.

To try to identify Antichrist before his time is an exercise in futility. We aren't there yet. There has to be an assembly of 10 nations in Europe prepared to accept him (only 7 of these leaders actually do accept him).

But I do think we can take note of the leadership in both Eastern and Western Europe that is Antichristian in character. Our European/Roman Civilization can now be looked at as "Post-Christian" because the culture and politics have gone so far Left.

I think we should be aware of these Leftist forces so that we do not become too propagandized by them--the Media "carries their water." If we wish to follow popular sentiment we will not be following Christ. We read in the Revelation, "Come out from among them, so that you do not participate in their sins, and thus suffer their judgments," or something like that.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I'm not an admirer of Donald Trump but I don't think he is the anti-Christ. I do have my suspicions of another American political figure, but he's been very quiet for the last few years so I could easily be wrong. However my old Presbyterian pastor nominated the figure I've got in mind, saying "Something seems to come through his voice" and "He's rotten to the core". The last phrase was a sentiment expressed word for word by an ABC journalist to my surprise, but she died a few years ago.

There was an opinion peace in the ABC (Australia) onine news today entitled "Is Trump the Anti-Christ"?

The author is Robyn Whitaker, Associate Professor of New Testament at the University of Divinity, founding Director of The Wesley Centre for Theology, Ethics, and Public Policy and author of Even the Devil Quotes Scripture.

Is Trump the antichrist? That’s the wrong question - ABC Religion & Ethics

The whole point of the Book of Revelation is that evil is embodied in regimes that transcend any individual. However much his actions run contrary to Christian teaching, Trump is only part of a much larger phenomenon.

www.abc.net.au

I disagree with her assertion that "... there is no one antichrist..." I think there will be although there are, have been and will be many types of anti-Christs.


The Catholic Catechism states that ...


The opinion piece was not an item I expected to see in the ABC news which I think is a bit left wing, although I find they're usually accurate as a news source. I like their uncluttered online news site, and generally refer to them for my newsworthy information. I don't watch much television news although I often see our local Channel 7 news in passing as I'm likely to be cooking or eathing our evening meal around that time. My wife watches Channel 7 in the main, and is an addict to "Home and Away", which is a Channel 7 soapie set in "Summer Bay".

There are many that are anti- Christ. Anyone who does not believe are considered, against Christ therefore, " anti".
Blessings

 

[chevyontheriver]

I don't think Trump is a "solid Christian" but he certainly is representing the "Christian position" currently. He is attacked, just like all Christians are, because his views are perceived as "narrow," just as Christian views in general are.

The media, generally, here in the US is left-wing. It has long been such, but in recent times has gone farther Left, just as the Democrat Party here has. So there is a real struggle here in the US between the parties and between the two separate entities that describe this "Culture War."

Like you I think there will be a literal single Antichrist to emergee in the last days. I think "666" was a numerical figure cryptically depicting the name of the original Roman leadership. Its purpose was to show that an evil leader will emerge to lead Roman Civilization.

To try to identify Antichrist before his time is an exercise in futility. We aren't there yet. There has to be an assembly of 10 nations in Europe prepared to accept him (only 7 of these leaders actually do accept him).

But I do think we can take note of the leadership in both Eastern and Western Europe that is Antichristian in character. Our European/Roman Civilization can now be looked at as "Post-Christian" because the culture and politics have gone so far Left.

I think we should be aware of these Leftist forces so that we do not become too propagandized by them--the Media "carries their water." If we wish to follow popular sentiment we will not be following Christ. We read in the Revelation, "Come out from among them, so that you do participate in their sins, and thus suffer their judgments," or something like that.

According to many he is Hitler. Whatever. Everybody has to have somebody to hate. The names they use tell us more about the name caller than the person named.

 

[d taylor]

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The anitchrist will be Jewish

 

[RandyPNW]

According to many he is Hitler. Whatever. Everybody has to have somebody to hate. The names they use tell us more about the name caller than the person named.

It can certainly be "hate" or "conspiratorial" in sentiment when people like to point out sins and sinners. But in this case, the Scriptures call for us to identify false Christs in our own times. This is so that we are not sucked up into a corrupted culture that once was Christian and no longer is. Bonhoeffer, however, warned us that there is this "cost of discipleship."

That said, I agree that those who go after Trump, calling him Hitler, exposes a kind of negativity that is beginning to be associated primarily with the Democrat Party. I'm not against a 2 party system in my country. I just don't like all of the Trump Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Strong in Him]

I'm not an admirer of Donald Trump but I don't think he is the anti-Christ.

There is no anti-Christ mentioned in Revelation.
Only John speaks of anti-Christs, and says it is anyone who does not believe that Jesus came in the flesh. And he said that because there were false teachers going around saying that Jesus was only God, therefore did not die on the cross, did not feel pain etc or have a human body.

 

[Bob Crowley]

An anti-Christ is implied, just as the Trinity is implied. There's no "Trinity" mentioned either but it is clearly understood from context (well, the church sorted it out after some bitter infighting).

Antichrist | History, Characteristics, Symbols, & Facts | Britannica

The Antichrist is the polar opposite and ultimate enemy of Christ. According to Christian tradition, he will reign terribly in the period prior to the Last Judgment. The term Antichrist first appeared in the Letters of John, and the fully developed story of Antichrist’s life and reign is found...

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Neither 2 Thessalonians nor Revelation uses the term Antichrist, but both works refer to a coming persecutor who is evidently the same person. The first epistle of John introduces an important distinction between “the” Antichrist who will come and the many antichrists who are already active in the world. This distinction not only enabled believers to denigrate contemporaries as “antichrists” without having to label a single individual as “the” Antichrist but also allowed them to identify the “body of Antichrist” as a collectivity existing in the present but destined to have its day of triumph in the future.

I also happen to believe he's around today. This is the first generation where a world wide government is possible, thanks to modern technology and weaponry that can land a missile through your laundry door guided by satellite, or maybe just a drone to save a lot of money. The drone war between Russia and Ukraine has shown us the direction of the next wave of military prowess, just as the gatling guns and primitive submarines of the American Civil War set the scene for the mass slaughter of World War I and II, and the potential destruction of entire cities and nations by machines lurking in the ocean depths.

I believe he will operate through ten "kings" to use a term the NT writers would have accepted. These days they'd be administrators, each of them responsible for a certain geographic area.

I also believe the "mark of the beast" will be a chip implant "without which no one could buy or sell". That technology already exists. Some people have smart watches which they wave under a transponder, and which are linked to their and credit card accounts.

That's not a far cry from an implant in the back of the hand, and the implants already exist even if they're not yet in widespread use. Our last couple of dogs had chip implants. If you've been a naughty boy under Sharia law and have lost your hand, then they can put it in the skin of your forehead and wave the transponder over it.

Then there's AI. You've only got to plot a journey and the next thing you know there will be a list of motels, restaurants and fuel depots on your phone before you even get there, whether you asked for them or not.

I think he'll be an individual, backed up by unbeatable military power and an invincible technology on a world wide basis. The "Beast" will be the political and military power in general and it will be formidable.

 

[Strong in Him]

An anti-Christ is implied,

To you, maybe.
But John has already used the term antichrist in his letter - and explained what one is. Why would he not say "antichrist" in Revelation if there is one?

There's no "Trinity" mentioned either

The word isn't used, but there is only one God. And the teaching that the Father, Jesus the Son and the Spirit are all divine, is there.

I also happen to believe he's around today.

Like John said, many don't believe that Jesus is the Christ - because they haven't been told, because they disagree or because they just don't care.
There are many who are anti, or against, Christ.

This is the first generation where a world wide government is possible, thanks to modern technology and weaponry that can land a missile through your laundry door guided by satellite, or maybe just a drone to save a lot of money.

What's that got to do with someone rejecting, or being against, Jesus?

And people have been playing "guess the antichrist" for as long as I can remember. When I first joined these forums, someone was adamant that it was Tony Blair and they got quite cross with me for suggesting that it wasn't and saying "wait and see". When nothing that this man had predicted about Blair came true he disappeared from the forums and took down his End Times website. Recently, Prince/King Charles and various American presidents have also been candidates.

 

[Rose_bud]

To you, maybe.
But John has already used the term antichrist in his letter - and explained what one is. Why would he not say "antichrist" in Revelation if there is one?

The word isn't used, but there is only one God. And the teaching that the Father, Jesus the Son and the Spirit are all divine, is there.


Like John said, many don't believe that Jesus is the Christ - because they haven't been told, because they disagree or because they just don't care.
There are many who are anti, or against, Christ.

What's that got to do with someone rejecting, or being against, Jesus?

And people have been playing "guess the antichrist" for as long as I can remember. When I first joined these forums, someone was adamant that it was Tony Blair and they got quite cross with me for suggesting that it wasn't and saying "wait and see". When nothing that this man had predicted about Blair came true he disappeared from the forums and took down his End Times website. Recently, Prince/King Charles and various American presidents have also been candidates.

True, I know at one time Mandela was a candidate, because his prison number included 666 it was actually 46664.

 

[Strong in Him]

True, I know at one time Mandela was a candidate, because his prison number included 666 it was actually 46664.

I also heard that a former US President was considered to be the antichrist because his 3 names each contained 6 letters.

 

[Rose_bud]

I also heard that a former US President was considered to be the antichrist because his 3 names each contained 6 letters.

Note to self... ensure to tell the kids that they should be mindful of this phenomena when naming the grandkids

 

[DragonFox91]

I liked him a lot when he first ran up until recently. I just don't trust that he was able to win again. Someone's pulling the strings on all this on both sides & we're all just the pawns.

No, he's not the AntiChrist. The AntiChrist is a religious figure. It's why Hitler, Obama, etc. was never going to be the AntiChrist either.

 

[ViaCrucis]

There have been many antichrists.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[RileyG]

Trump isn't an anti-Christ. He is just a regular man. He is 78 years old. He won't be around forever.

Blessings

 

[RileyG]

There have been many antichrists.

-CryptoLutheran

This is very true thought history. I won't argue with that

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

I'm not an admirer of Donald Trump but I don't think he is the anti-Christ. I do have my suspicions of another American political figure, but he's been very quiet for the last few years so I could easily be wrong. However my old Presbyterian pastor nominated the figure I've got in mind, saying "Something seems to come through his voice" and "He's rotten to the core". The last phrase was a sentiment expressed word for word by an ABC journalist to my surprise, but she died a few years ago.

There was an opinion peace in the ABC (Australia) onine news today entitled "Is Trump the Anti-Christ"?

The author is Robyn Whitaker, Associate Professor of New Testament at the University of Divinity, founding Director of The Wesley Centre for Theology, Ethics, and Public Policy and author of Even the Devil Quotes Scripture.

Is Trump the antichrist? That’s the wrong question - ABC Religion & Ethics

The whole point of the Book of Revelation is that evil is embodied in regimes that transcend any individual. However much his actions run contrary to Christian teaching, Trump is only part of a much larger phenomenon.

www.abc.net.au

I disagree with her assertion that "... there is no one antichrist..." I think there will be although there are, have been and will be many types of anti-Christs.


The Catholic Catechism states that ...


The opinion piece was not an item I expected to see in the ABC news which I think is a bit left wing, although I find they're usually accurate as a news source. I like their uncluttered online news site, and generally refer to them for my newsworthy information. I don't watch much television news although I often see our local Channel 7 news in passing as I'm likely to be cooking or eathing our evening meal around that time. My wife watches Channel 7 in the main, and is an addict to "Home and Away", which is a Channel 7 soapie set in "Summer Bay".

You're right, Donald Trump is almost certainly not The Antichrist but he is certainly expressing the spirit of Antichrist.