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A question about communication with God from a former Muslim

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First of all,
I am glad to be here and learn more from you all.
I want to just make something clear before I ask the question, so you understand my point.
For the past 27 years, I was fed by my family and community how there is No God but One, that God has no sons, that God has no mediators. God is not human, has no human characteristics, can't be seen or heard but communicated to directly by praying and through dreams. It's very difficult for me to not question some points that goes against what I have been taught.

I grew up in a Muslim household yet I feel very disconnected from it. When I read more about the Christian faith and Jesus, I feel good but like I said, there are points that it's hard for me to process. it's not me judging, it's just like a slap in the face.
So my question is, why do we need a mediator to connect with God? When we pray to Jesus, are we praying to Him or through Him? I found this from "How to Be a Christian" in this forum :

"When you receive Christ into your heart you become a child of God, and have the privilege of talking to Him in prayer at any time about anything. The Christian life is a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ. And best of all, it is a relationship that will last for all eternity."

it confused me more, because it says that because Jesus sacrificed himself for us, we were able to talk to God directly through prayers at any time but at the end, it again says to have a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ.
Maybe by time and learning more about Christianity and the Gospel, I will get my answers but right now, I would like to hear more about that. Maybe I am missing something.
 

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First of all,
I am glad to be here and learn more from you all.
I want to just make something clear before I ask the question, so you understand my point.
For the past 27 years, I was fed by my family and community how there is No God but One, that God has no sons, that God has no mediators. God is not human, has no human characteristics, can't be seen or heard but communicated to directly by praying and through dreams. It's very difficult for me to not question some points that goes against what I have been taught.

I grew up in a Muslim household yet I feel very disconnected from it. When I read more about the Christian faith and Jesus, I feel good but like I said, there are points that it's hard for me to process. it's not me judging, it's just like a slap in the face.
So my question is, why do we need a mediator to connect with God? When we pray to Jesus, are we praying to Him or through Him? I found this from "How to Be a Christian" in this forum :

"When you receive Christ into your heart you become a child of God, and have the privilege of talking to Him in prayer at any time about anything. The Christian life is a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ. And best of all, it is a relationship that will last for all eternity."

it confused me more, because it says that because Jesus sacrificed himself for us, we were able to talk to God directly through prayers at any time but at the end, it again says to have a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ.
Maybe by time and learning more about Christianity and the Gospel, I will get my answers but right now, I would like to hear more about that. Maybe I am missing something.
Have you received His Holy Spirit? This is His promise to all believers:
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.

His Holy Spirit dwelling in us, IS the connection. We walk with Him daily with His Holy Spirit.
Blessings
 
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First of all,
I am glad to be here and learn more from you all.
I want to just make something clear before I ask the question, so you understand my point.
For the past 27 years, I was fed by my family and community how there is No God but One, that God has no sons, that God has no mediators. God is not human, has no human characteristics, can't be seen or heard but communicated to directly by praying and through dreams. It's very difficult for me to not question some points that goes against what I have been taught.

I grew up in a Muslim household yet I feel very disconnected from it. When I read more about the Christian faith and Jesus, I feel good but like I said, there are points that it's hard for me to process. it's not me judging, it's just like a slap in the face.
So my question is, why do we need a mediator to connect with God? When we pray to Jesus, are we praying to Him or through Him? I found this from "How to Be a Christian" in this forum :

"When you receive Christ into your heart you become a child of God, and have the privilege of talking to Him in prayer at any time about anything. The Christian life is a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ. And best of all, it is a relationship that will last for all eternity."

it confused me more, because it says that because Jesus sacrificed himself for us, we were able to talk to God directly through prayers at any time but at the end, it again says to have a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ.
Maybe by time and learning more about Christianity and the Gospel, I will get my answers but right now, I would like to hear more about that. Maybe I am missing something.
God the Father chose to communicate, show/reveal Himself to us, and have a personal relationship with us through His Son Jesus, and the Bible says there is no other way, and that's just the way it is. (for now, etc).

God in the Old Testament is God the Holy Spirit.

John 17:1–26 (NKJV): 17 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.
9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. 18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
24 “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”


John 14:1–31 (NKJV): 14 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”

5 Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”

8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever—17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”
23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.
25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
29 “And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe. 30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me. 31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here.

God Bless.
 
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First of all,
I am glad to be here and learn more from you all.
I want to just make something clear before I ask the question, so you understand my point.
For the past 27 years, I was fed by my family and community how there is No God but One, that God has no sons, that God has no mediators. God is not human, has no human characteristics, can't be seen or heard but communicated to directly by praying and through dreams. It's very difficult for me to not question some points that goes against what I have been taught.

I grew up in a Muslim household yet I feel very disconnected from it. When I read more about the Christian faith and Jesus, I feel good but like I said, there are points that it's hard for me to process. it's not me judging, it's just like a slap in the face.
So my question is, why do we need a mediator to connect with God? When we pray to Jesus, are we praying to Him or through Him? I found this from "How to Be a Christian" in this forum :

"When you receive Christ into your heart you become a child of God, and have the privilege of talking to Him in prayer at any time about anything. The Christian life is a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ. And best of all, it is a relationship that will last for all eternity."

it confused me more, because it says that because Jesus sacrificed himself for us, we were able to talk to God directly through prayers at any time but at the end, it again says to have a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ.
Maybe by time and learning more about Christianity and the Gospel, I will get my answers but right now, I would like to hear more about that. Maybe I am missing something.


Hello and welcome. I used to be Muslim too so maybe I can help some if you don't mind me trying.

The first problem we face is sin and the second is one of justice.

The problem God has is His Justice. If God is truly just, He cannot forgive sin.

(Think about it like a judge in court, people are owed justice for crimes against them so if the judge says go free to the murderer then he's an unjust or corrupt judge).

The wages of sin is death. Jesus paid that price for us, that we might be reconciled to God.

God is eternally one 1. (One God in three persons) Jesus is eternal and uncreated, God is eternal and uncreated, the Holy Spirit is eternal and uncreated. The 3 are 1.

I think of it like body, mind, spirit or like H2O is ice, liquid or steam but with there never being any changes of state in the person of God. Making 1 Triune Godhead.

I can go through a teaching for you about the attributes of God, why Jesus' deity was necessary but honestly, you might enjoy a systematic theology ..

Try this as a sample. If the reading is easy for you, you might like the theology book in that it's all chaptered out into topic sections like why Jesus' deity was necessary and so forth.

It's about 1200 pages but it's indexed and referenced well. If you just want to study about a particular topic you can just look up that topic for study.

Attachment at the bottom for the Systematic Theology book excerpt so you can decide if it's something that might interest you.
 

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First of all,
I am glad to be here and learn more from you all.
I want to just make something clear before I ask the question, so you understand my point.
For the past 27 years, I was fed by my family and community how there is No God but One, that God has no sons, that God has no mediators. God is not human, has no human characteristics, can't be seen or heard but communicated to directly by praying and through dreams. It's very difficult for me to not question some points that goes against what I have been taught.

I grew up in a Muslim household yet I feel very disconnected from it. When I read more about the Christian faith and Jesus, I feel good but like I said, there are points that it's hard for me to process. it's not me judging, it's just like a slap in the face.
So my question is, why do we need a mediator to connect with God? When we pray to Jesus, are we praying to Him or through Him? I found this from "How to Be a Christian" in this forum :

"When you receive Christ into your heart you become a child of God, and have the privilege of talking to Him in prayer at any time about anything. The Christian life is a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ. And best of all, it is a relationship that will last for all eternity."

it confused me more, because it says that because Jesus sacrificed himself for us, we were able to talk to God directly through prayers at any time but at the end, it again says to have a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ.
Maybe by time and learning more about Christianity and the Gospel, I will get my answers but right now, I would like to hear more about that. Maybe I am missing something.

jesus is the mediator in that he died so that by His death He paid the price for our sins that were separating us from God. They were making God our enemy. We pray in Jesus name so that the father sees Jesus the perfect sacrifice. We pray to the father.
 
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Jesus is the mediator in the context that He is the mediator of the covenant that gets you in the door and into the family. You make peace with God by Jesus, the mediator of the covenant. Once in the door and at the table, you assume the role of a son. As an adult child at the table, you can speak directly to the Father as a son.

Notice the uses of mediator:

1. He is the mediator between God and MEN. not the Father and a MAN.


1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

2. He is the mediator of a COVENANT, not a go-between between the Father and His children.

Hebrews 8:6 KJV
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

A covenant is an agreement. The Gospel is that agreement, and Jesus is the mediator of that covenant. Once the covenant is enacted, you are a son of God.

Some other references.
John 1:12 KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

2 Corinthians 6:18 KJV
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

1 John 1:3 KJV
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
 
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First of all,
I am glad to be here and learn more from you all.
I want to just make something clear before I ask the question, so you understand my point.
For the past 27 years, I was fed by my family and community how there is No God but One, that God has no sons, that God has no mediators. God is not human, has no human characteristics, can't be seen or heard but communicated to directly by praying and through dreams. It's very difficult for me to not question some points that goes against what I have been taught.

I grew up in a Muslim household yet I feel very disconnected from it. When I read more about the Christian faith and Jesus, I feel good but like I said, there are points that it's hard for me to process. it's not me judging, it's just like a slap in the face.
So my question is, why do we need a mediator to connect with God? When we pray to Jesus, are we praying to Him or through Him? I found this from "How to Be a Christian" in this forum :

"When you receive Christ into your heart you become a child of God, and have the privilege of talking to Him in prayer at any time about anything. The Christian life is a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ. And best of all, it is a relationship that will last for all eternity."

it confused me more, because it says that because Jesus sacrificed himself for us, we were able to talk to God directly through prayers at any time but at the end, it again says to have a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ.
Maybe by time and learning more about Christianity and the Gospel, I will get my answers but right now, I would like to hear more about that. Maybe I am missing something.
Greetings Johan! My prayer for you as you ponder these responses, that you consider yourself especially blessed that the Father is drawing you to His Son, Jesus!

Luke 10:20-24 NIV

"At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do."

“All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”

"Then he turned to his disciples and said privately, “Blessed are the eyes that see what you see. For I tell you that many prophets and kings wanted to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.”

May you believe and receive His blessed Holy Spirit as your Seal and Leader into all Truth!
 
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It can be overwhelming at first to try to process the various claims about Christianity. This is made even more difficult because Christianity can be presented in different ways. One way that some have found helpful is to consider that the reason Jesus had to die was that he could make a payment for the sins of the whole world. By this act he could form a bridge where sinful people could have their sins forgiven through faith (trust) in what he did for them. By being placed "in Christ" we get a regeneration of our spiritual connection with God through Christ. It is by his faith that we are able to be reconciled with God.

It might be helpful to read a brief outline of basic Christianity.

 
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First of all,
I am glad to be here and learn more from you all.
I want to just make something clear before I ask the question, so you understand my point.
For the past 27 years, I was fed by my family and community how there is No God but One, that God has no sons, that God has no mediators. God is not human, has no human characteristics, can't be seen or heard but communicated to directly by praying and through dreams. It's very difficult for me to not question some points that goes against what I have been taught.

I grew up in a Muslim household yet I feel very disconnected from it. When I read more about the Christian faith and Jesus, I feel good but like I said, there are points that it's hard for me to process. it's not me judging, it's just like a slap in the face.
So my question is, why do we need a mediator to connect with God? When we pray to Jesus, are we praying to Him or through Him? I found this from "How to Be a Christian" in this forum :

"When you receive Christ into your heart you become a child of God, and have the privilege of talking to Him in prayer at any time about anything. The Christian life is a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ. And best of all, it is a relationship that will last for all eternity."

it confused me more, because it says that because Jesus sacrificed himself for us, we were able to talk to God directly through prayers at any time but at the end, it again says to have a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ.
Maybe by time and learning more about Christianity and the Gospel, I will get my answers but right now, I would like to hear more about that. Maybe I am missing something.
I would like to answer but I need to know what you have read from the bible? also if you read, from it what version? the version is less important but I need to know what you have read from the bible so far in order to give you an answer that you will understand.

Looking forward to discuss further.

Peace.
 
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First of all,
I am glad to be here and learn more from you all.
I want to just make something clear before I ask the question, so you understand my point.
For the past 27 years, I was fed by my family and community how there is No God but One, that God has no sons, that God has no mediators. God is not human, has no human characteristics, can't be seen or heard but communicated to directly by praying and through dreams. It's very difficult for me to not question some points that goes against what I have been taught.

I grew up in a Muslim household yet I feel very disconnected from it. When I read more about the Christian faith and Jesus, I feel good but like I said, there are points that it's hard for me to process. it's not me judging, it's just like a slap in the face.
So my question is, why do we need a mediator to connect with God? When we pray to Jesus, are we praying to Him or through Him? I found this from "How to Be a Christian" in this forum :

"When you receive Christ into your heart you become a child of God, and have the privilege of talking to Him in prayer at any time about anything. The Christian life is a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ. And best of all, it is a relationship that will last for all eternity."

it confused me more, because it says that because Jesus sacrificed himself for us, we were able to talk to God directly through prayers at any time but at the end, it again says to have a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ.
Maybe by time and learning more about Christianity and the Gospel, I will get my answers but right now, I would like to hear more about that. Maybe I am missing something.

Here's a short teaching

 
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It can be overwhelming at first to try to process the various claims about Christianity. This is made even more difficult because Christianity can be presented in different ways. One way that some have found helpful is to consider that the reason Jesus had to die was that he could make a payment for the sins of the whole world. By this act he could form a bridge where sinful people could have their sins forgiven through faith (trust) in what he did for them. By being placed "in Christ" we get a regeneration of our spiritual connection with God through Christ. It is by his faith that we are able to be reconciled with God.

It might be helpful to read a brief outline of basic Christianity.

Thank you for your output.
Can I ask if this was the case, how did generations before Christ came and died for us, live, connected with God? I mean, why didn't God reveal himself as early as Humans committed sins (fall of Adam, Able and Cain) and so on? I might be ignorant but the more I read, the more questions pop up in my mind.
 
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I would like to answer but I need to know what you have read from the bible? also if you read, from it what version? the version is less important but I need to know what you have read from the bible so far in order to give you an answer that you will understand.

Looking forward to discuss further.

Peace.
I would like to answer but I need to know what you have read from the bible? also if you read, from it what version? the version is less important but I need to know what you have read from the bible so far in order to give you an answer that you will understand.

Looking forward to discuss further.

Peace.
I would like to give you an answer here but I realized that I am approaching the bible in an inefficient way. You see, in Quran, for example, you can pick out any Chapter and read it. most of the time, the order of the chapter doesn't matter. I just realized that in the Bible, reading in order is important and it builds up beautifully. so right now, I can't tell you where is what cause I pick certain parts that I wanna learn more about and read these parts only.
I just need to dedicate a time to give it the attention it deserves and to actually learn from it.
 
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Hello, thanks for the clarification.

yes it is best to read the bible in order. Essentially the old testament, is the story of creation, the story of the israelites, the promised land, and mostly that everything points to Jesus Christ, prophecies, sacrificial laws, the 10 commandments given by GOD that are in fact the covenant. The new testament recants the Life of Jesus Christ, his mission or gospel ( repentance and the coming kingdom of heaven) his death. In this fe fulfilles the law ( obeyed it all) and fulfilled the prophecies of his birth and life.

it is pest for you to start the first books of the old testament in order. just after read the first 4 books of the new testament. next would be the prophets of the old testament. aster that we will see.

As for the epistles of Paul keep them for last as to understand them fully, it will be best to read the booke I mentioned first, if not, you might l as many have, difficulty with Paul's writings as they are complicated and difficult to understand.

I am always here every day of you have questions, I do not profess to know everything but what i know well I am glad to share with you.

as for your question; I can answer it but you do not have the base knowledge yet I do confirm that at this time we have a direct access to GOD I will write To you a bit later and explain in more detail, it might be a bit long for this answer.

When you pray you pray to GOD the father. Jesus his son to whom all authority was given to on earth and heaven says that if you ask God in his name you will be heard and perhaps granted. Jesus gave us an example of a prayer;

Matthew 6:9-13 (NKJV):

The Lord's Prayer:​

"In this manner, therefore, pray:
Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen."

Repeating this is not a good idea as it is written that GOD does not like vain repetition, this was as an example and was not meant to torn us into parrots.

when you pray, do so with a clean conscience and also with faith in the fact that you will be heard. GOD knows what you need before you speak to him and will answer in His own way in His own time according to His Will.

1 John 5:14-15 (NKJV):
"Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him."

Matthew 6:5-6 (NKJV):
"And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites who love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly."

Mark 11:24 (NKJV):
"Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them."

James 1:6-7 (NKJV):
"But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord."

Psalm 100:4 (NKJV):
"Enter into His gates with thanksgiving, and into His courts with praise. Be thankful to Him, and bless His name."

A good thing to do in prayer is to Ask God for wisdom and understanding. Jesus Promised to send us ( the true believers who follow him) the Holy Spirit to guide and teach us.

Blessings and I am here if you have ANY questions.
 
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Maybe I am missing something.
Yes, but no worries. That's normal. Just talk with the Creator, ask Him all the questions you have, and He is Delighted to answer you.
So my question is, why do we need a mediator to connect with God? When we pray to Jesus, are we praying to Him or through Him?
Yes, these questions and others ask directly of God. He Delights to answer you. Don't Worry, He knows our condition, that we are only dust on this earth, in a very sorry state and unable to do anything or learn anything without Him.
it confused me more
Confusion is not from the Creator. He Made Everything Simple. Remember that.
 
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Confusion is not from the Creator. He Made Everything Simple. Remember that.
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The confusion I have is the because of the background I was in and the culture and everything I am reading now.
 
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God is eternally one 1. (One God in three persons) Jesus is eternal and uncreated, God is eternal and uncreated, the Holy Spirit is eternal and uncreated. The 3 are 1.
I have read in Quran that the holy trinity is false. I am not making an argument but I wanna know why is it revealed in the Quran that this is false. in manyy verses, God says that Jesus was created the way Adam was created but we never considered Adam to be the son of God. At the same time what confuses me is that in many verses, (Arabic version) it states that Jesus was vouched with the Holy spirit but in the English version and commentaries they are highlighting the phrase as a holy inspiration and it is guided by God.


Ali 'Imran 3:59 (Being a man like Adam)
Al-Baqara (The Cow) 2:253 (Regarding the Holy spirit)
 
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Can I ask if this was the case, how did generations before Christ came and died for us, live, connected with God? I mean, why didn't God reveal himself as early as Humans committed sins (fall of Adam, Able and Cain) and so on? I might be ignorant but the more I read, the more questions pop up in my mind.

We are not told everything in detail about how God runs the universe. If we were, salvation would be moire about how we judged God rather than faith. However, there are some interesting possibilities suggested in the bible. First is that what can be known about God is discernible in nature so those who reject this revelation are without excuse. The bible does not mention if the general revelation of the creator (Jesus) in nature is sufficient for salvation, but it doesn't preclude it (Rom 1).

Another possibility is that a condition of ignorance is accounted for.

Act_17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
 
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I have read in Quran that the holy trinity is false. I am not making an argument but I wanna know why is it revealed in the Quran that this is false. in manyy verses, God says that Jesus was created the way Adam was created but we never considered Adam to be the son of God. At the same time what confuses me is that in many verses, (Arabic version) it states that Jesus was vouched with the Holy spirit but in the English version and commentaries they are highlighting the phrase as a holy inspiration and it is guided by God.


Ali 'Imran 3:59 (Being a man like Adam)
Al-Baqara (The Cow) 2:253 (Regarding the Holy spirit)

Good morning! I pray your having a wonderful day and your family well. I will make this a longer post to answer the points that you might want to understand better. I am trying to be complete in my explanation.

First I would ask if you listened to the video I posted above about the Incarnation? Did you have the opportunity to listen and could you understand the Pastors speaking?

To speak on the topic I believe you want to speak of:

The Qur'an is a book which came after the Holy Scriptures, by about 600 years after the resurrection - as we already know.

By that time Christianity was fairly widespread in much of the region. Various Christians believers were trading and various other activities like sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ as they went about their lives.

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The above in dark blue is what was mainly Christian in the region by 325 AD. And the light blue is what was mainly Christian by 600 AD.

The argument made in the Qur'an is that Jesus was a Spirit from God rather than the Spirit of God. Not the Incarnation of God.

This is, to Christians, a horrible blasphemy against our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. (We do not get upset for this but rather choose to correct any misunderstanding in love.)

In order to determine the matter we can look at both Scripture itself and the Prophets.

We believe the Bible (all the Books of the Bible) is a reliable collection of historical documents written by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses. They report supernatural events which occurred in fulfillment of specific prophecies and who claim their writings are Divine in nature rather than of human origin.

In 2 Peter 1:16-22 it is written:

"For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain.

And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention has to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed."


Words such as this were repeated in front of many large crowds, during a time there were still hundreds of living eye witnesses of Christ's life, death and resurrection.

Anyone in the crowds back then, had the opportunity to ask other eye witnesses for confirmation of these events, which of course many did.

Luke from the Gospels was a physician and an historian who was tasked to do just that, go to speak with the disciples and others about what they had seen and heard in order to know the truth accurately. The Book of Luke is recorded in the Bible.

Luke 1:1-4

Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.

The Bible itself, though written by over 40 people from multiple cultures across the span of 1500 years and tells one singular story from beginning to end.

And the story it tells is wholly complete. Nothing can be added to it without destroying the story that Scripture is telling us.

And the story it tells rests on the Person and Work of Jesus Christ. He is the Cornerstone holding it altogether, for He is Lord, Savior, High Priest and King. During His first advent He was God incarnate, come to save humanity.


We have a division in the Bible, the first portion is called the Old Testament, and the Second portion is called the New Testament.

The word Testament here can also be translated as Covenant.

It's a legal term denoting the two main Covenants - legal agreements - God made with His people thoughout time.

In order to bring forth the Messiah God chose the Hebrews through Abraham. He chose the Hebrews because they were lowly and weak, the least among us, in order to show a picture to the world of ourselves, and also to show His Power and Glory.

But for the Praise of His Glory He raised them up to bring forth the Messiah, one like us who could connect with our pain, in our humanity, but whom, like God, could do what we could not and live in perfect accordance with the law, in order to free us from the bondage of sin, and pay the price for our sin in our stead, being both the Just, and the Justifier.

The old Covenant in which the Messianic law was added for their sin, was to teach us that we all fall short of His perfect Righteousness; that apart from Him we can do nothing good.

The law of God requires perfect righteousness in act, attitude and nature. I earlier added an attachment in this thread in which sin was thereby defined and explained so I won't expound upon that further.

Christ's life, death and subsequent resurrection lived that life and died that death for us that we could not live, in order to draw ALL the kinds of men (Jew and Gentile alike, all the nations) Jesus Christ brings us into the New Covenant now. He cut them off, to bring us in, equally. His resurrection from the dead proves all is accomplished.

There was something called a dividing wall in the Jewish Temple that separated the Jews from the Gentiles.

In real life, Jesus is the tearing down of that wall of separation. It's the wall that separates Jew from Gentile first, and Jesus also represents the rending or tearing of the veil that separates man from God. He becomes for us all, reconciliation in and under the New Covenant.

The Jews were cut off from the Old Covenant upon Jesus' Death, and the New Covenant in Christ was inaugurated on the day of Pentacost, in which all people - Jew and Gentiles alike, were invited into the New Covenant from that day forward as brothers. (Christ is seen here in His humanity shown to us as our joined elder brother, we are adopted as sons, equal before God, brothers in covenant when we believe in Jesus, who is the only Door. Our inheritance is salvation, and glorification with Christ in Heaven for eternity.)

When Jesus says I am the Way, The Truth, and The Life, no one comes to the Father but through Me...

He is the door we go through, all of us, to know God.

The entire Bible, from Beginning to End, tells of Him. Everything from Genesis 1:1 to the last word in the book of Revelation is the Revelation of God, the 1 Triune God, through the Person and Work of Christ and His Holy Spirit.

The Bible tells us about the New Covenant from the Prophet Jeremiah 31:33-34.

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts.

And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”


This has been the Covenant everyone who calls themselves Christian lives under for the last 2000 years. The New Testament explains the New Covenant.

You enter into the Covenant when you believe on Christ for salvation, as shown us in Scripture:

Romans 10:9-10: "If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved".

Acts 16:30, 31: "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved".

John 3:16: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life"

I pray this wasn't too long and I do hope I properly understood what your question was. It took me 35 minutes to edit, so if you read in email then it's slightly different, I tried being more clear.
 
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The confusion I have is the because of the background I was in and the culture and everything I am reading now.
Religion like you grew up in, like others have grown up experiencing, religious groups and forums,
included in "reading now", yes - so many voices, so much continuing in and growing in sin... confusion daily.
 
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First of all,
I am glad to be here and learn more from you all.
I want to just make something clear before I ask the question, so you understand my point.
For the past 27 years, I was fed by my family and community how there is No God but One, that God has no sons, that God has no mediators. God is not human, has no human characteristics, can't be seen or heard but communicated to directly by praying and through dreams. It's very difficult for me to not question some points that goes against what I have been taught.

I grew up in a Muslim household yet I feel very disconnected from it. When I read more about the Christian faith and Jesus, I feel good but like I said, there are points that it's hard for me to process. it's not me judging, it's just like a slap in the face.
So my question is, why do we need a mediator to connect with God? When we pray to Jesus, are we praying to Him or through Him? I found this from "How to Be a Christian" in this forum :

"When you receive Christ into your heart you become a child of God, and have the privilege of talking to Him in prayer at any time about anything. The Christian life is a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ. And best of all, it is a relationship that will last for all eternity."

it confused me more, because it says that because Jesus sacrificed himself for us, we were able to talk to God directly through prayers at any time but at the end, it again says to have a personal relationship to God through Jesus Christ.
Maybe by time and learning more about Christianity and the Gospel, I will get my answers but right now, I would like to hear more about that. Maybe I am missing something.
Hello again Johan, I write to you to clarify your question about having access to GOD without a mediator I hope I wrote it clearly, let me know if you have further questions;

Under the Old Covenant, Moses acted as the mediator between God and the people of Israel. God gave His laws, including the Ten Commandments, through Moses on Mount Sinai (Exodus 20:18-21, Deuteronomy 5:5). The people were afraid to approach God directly because of His glory and holiness, so they asked Moses to speak to God on their behalf.

This separation from God’s presence was further emphasized in the structure of the temple or tabernacle. In the temple, there was a veil (a thick curtain) that separated the Holy Place from the Most Holy Place (also known as the Holy of Holies). The Most Holy Place represented the very presence of God, and no one could enter it except the high priest, and even he could only enter once a year on the Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16:2, Hebrews 9:7). This veil was a constant reminder that access to God’s presence was restricted under the Old Covenant because of sin.

However, when Jesus came and died for the sins of the world, everything changed. Jesus became the new and perfect mediator of the New Covenant, offering Himself as the ultimate sacrifice for sin, making direct access to God possible. In Matthew 27:50-51 (NKJV), it is written: “And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split.”

The tearing of the temple veil is extremely significant. It was not torn by human hands but from top to bottom, signifying that God Himself had removed the barrier that separated humanity from His presence. Through Jesus’ sacrifice, the way into God’s presence was opened for all people, not just the high priest or a chosen mediator like Moses.

This truth is explained in Hebrews 10:19-22 (NKJV): “Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, and having a High Priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.”

Jesus’ death and His role as mediator provide us with direct access to God. We no longer need an earthly priest or mediator like Moses because Jesus Himself is our High Priest. He intercedes for us in the presence of God. In 1 Timothy 2:5 (NKJV), it says: “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.” Jesus, being fully God and fully man, bridges the gap between sinful humanity and a holy God.

Under the New Covenant, believers have the privilege of direct communion with God through Jesus. This was something the people of Israel did not have under the Old Covenant because their sins had not yet been fully atoned for. Now, through Jesus’ sacrifice, we are cleansed, forgiven, and invited to come boldly before God’s throne. As it says in Hebrews 4:16 (NKJV): “Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.”

To summarize, under the Old Covenant, Moses served as a mediator, and access to God was limited. The temple veil symbolized this separation. When Jesus died, the veil was torn, signifying that the barrier between God and humanity was removed. Jesus is now the mediator of the New Covenant, and through Him, we have direct access to God. His sacrifice opened the way for all who believe in Him to draw near to God with confidence and assurance.

Blessings.
 
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