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a penitential act.

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I confess to almighty God
and to you, my brothers and sisters,
that I have greatly sinned,
in my thoughts and in my words,
in what I have done and in what I have failed to do,

through my fault,
through my fault,
through my most grievous fault;

therefore I ask blessed Mary ever-Virgin,
all the Angels and Saints,
and you, my brothers and sisters,
to pray for me to the Lord our God.


In your church during a service do you have a public confession of sins and an act of penance?
 

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Most merciful God,
we confess that we have sinned against you
in thought, word, and deed,
by what we have done,
and by what we have left undone.
We have not loved you with our whole heart;
we have not loved our neighbors as ourselves.
We are truly sorry and we humbly repent.
For the sake of your Son Jesus Christ,
have mercy on us and forgive us;
that we may delight in your will,
and walk in your ways,
to the glory of your Name. Amen.
 
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1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,​
When repentance (penitence) is needed, we go directly to the one who forgives our sins and cleanses us from all unrighteousness.

Our worship service is different in that it is less about formality and repetitious prayers, but drawing closer to God through His Word.
 
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For what it is worth, the church I attend does corporately read a general confession of sins which includes general penitence.

However, IMO, that is light years away from telling God that I intentionally told a specific lie and am grieved about it and will never do it again (and mean it).
 
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For what it is worth, the church I attend does corporately read a general confession of sins which includes general penitence.

However, IMO, that is light years away from telling God that I intentionally told a specific lie and am grieved about it and will never do it again (and mean it).
One ought to tell God such things.
 
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Whose "formality and repetitious prayers"?
That would be those who make a practice of it.

I am quite clearly stating we don’t. Our worship services are typically not scripted and repetitive in nature.

I grew up in the home of a Seminarian - I think we were as Roman Catholic as you could get. My dad and my uncles were part of the Original Curcillo movement back in the 70's. We said the Latin Mass into 60's and where there when there was so much turmoil over the priest facing the audience instead of the altar. (horror of horrors!), I was in the Roma Catholic Church when we went to English only Masses! I can still sing most of the old hymns in Latin.

I say that to let you know I am familiar with the Roman Catholic Church, it's teachings and practices. We recited the act of penitence, the problem was that the only real act of penitence was in the reciting. A week later - citations were repeated - confessions made, 10 hail Mary's and 6 Our Fathers later and zero - nothing changed. Week after week, month after month - you could run the tape over and over.

That is what I am trying to express - one can recite words on a page, but until it changes the heart - it is just words on a page.
 
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We recited the act of penitence, the problem was that the only real act of penitence was in the reciting. A week later - citations were repeated - confessions made, 10 hail Mary's and 6 Our Fathers later and zero - nothing changed.
What you've written implies that it was all superficial for the "we" you are describing. Those people in the "we" seem not to have been well formed in their Christian faith because no well-formed Christian treats repentance so casually, nor do any regard the penance and prayers so superficially.
 
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That is what I am trying to express - one can recite words on a page, but until it changes the heart - it is just words on a page.
I wonder if you'd agree that one can say the spontaneous words of an unscripted prayer and be saying "just words" even if they are not on a page? If you do, then why focus your critique on written words? And as a thought for you to consider, what is written in the holy scriptures is words on a page, yet for many those words on those pages make a world of difference and play a mighty role in grace and receiving eternal life.
 
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I wonder if you'd agree that one can say the spontaneous words of an unscripted prayer and be saying "just words" even if they are not on a page? If you do, then why focus your critique on written words? And as a thought for you to consider, what is written in the holy scriptures is words on a page, yet for many those words on those pages make a world of difference and play a mighty role in grace and receiving eternal life.
I never said anything about words written on a page, nor did I mention scripture.

Why are you adding that to my statement. It was quit plainly written.

Reciting something doesn’t change lives. In fact Jesus Himself said we should not pray repetitious prayers thinking we would be heard for our many words.

Matt 6:7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.
 
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In the Basilian liturgy (the liturgy for "ordinary time" in the Coptic Orthodox Church), there are several acts of confession and contrition (more than the two I'm highlighting here, for brevity's sake; there is also the priest's confession before the Holy Eucharist, the confession that is part of the remembrance of the Holy Fathers of the councils, and so on). The people's is before the institution narrative, at the end of the prayer "Holy, Holy, Holy" (not to be confused with the Agios/Trisagion), which recalls the salvation history of the world:

PRIEST
Holy, Holy, Holy, truly O Lord, our God, Who formed us, created us and placed us in the paradise of joy. When we disobeyed Your commandment by the guile of the serpent, we fell from eternal life, and were exiled from the Paradise of joy. You have not abandoned us to the end, but have always visited us through Your holy prophets, and in the last days, You did manifest Yourself to us, who were sitting in darkness and the shadow of death, through Your Only-Begotten Son, our Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, Who of The Holy Spirit and of the Holy Virgin Mary.

CONGREGATION
Amen.

PRIEST
He incarnated and became man and taught us the ways of salvation. He granted us the birth from on high through water and Spirit. He made us unto Himself a Congregation and sanctified us through Your Holy Spirit; He loved his own who are in the world, and gave Himself up for our salvation unto death which reigned over us, whereby we were bound and sold on account of our sins. He descended into Hades through the Cross.

CONGREGATION
Amen. We believe.

PRIEST
He rose from the dead on the third day; He ascended into the heavens, and sat at Your right hand, o Father; He has appointed a day for recompense, on which He will appear to judge the world in righteousness and give each one according to his deeds.

CONGREGATION [Here we beat our chests in repentance, as the tax collector did.]
According to your mercy, O Lord, and not according to our sins.

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This particular phrasing is mirrored elsewhere in the liturgy by the priest's recitation of the congregation's confession, which he prays inaudibly in the sanctuary, offering incense there that is symbolic of the congregation's prayers, that God may accept them. The prayer is as follows:

God, who accepted to Him the confession of the thief on the honored Cross, accept to you, the confession of your people, forgive them their sins for the sake of Your Holy Name that is called upon us, Let it be according to your mercy, O Lord, and not according to our sins.
 
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I never said anything about words written on a page, nor did I mention scripture.
Did you write, "That is what I am trying to express - one can recite words on a page"?
 
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Did you write, "That is what I am trying to express - one can recite words on a page"?
Absolutely, I stand corrected.

I also quoted our Lord stating we shouldn’t pray repetitious prayers.
 
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