But it is spinning backwards!

[JohnR7]

In the beginning according to science there was a big bang. But also, there was a spinning beginning. The universe started in a swirling motion and everything in the universe is a part of a spinning motion. Even there is a theory that as things spin off of the big bang, they expand in a swirling motion. Usually a clockwise motion. But not everything. There are planets that spin counterclockwise. There are moons that have counterclockwise orbits. There is even a whole galaxy that marches to the beat of a different drummer and is swirling counter clock wise.

What theory does science have to explain this? Nothing, zip, zero, zilch, nada. They have no explaination at all for this. What explaination does creationism have for these seemingly backward spinning heavenly bodies? Simple, in the beginning God knew that someone was going to come up with a theory to try to disprove creationism. So God put a reverse spin on parts of the universe, just to keep their theory from being so neat and tidy.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 11:03 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #1 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=655929#post655929)

Simple, in the beginning God knew that someone was going to come up with a theory to try to disprove creationism. So God put a reverse spin on parts of the universe, just to keep their theory from being so neat and tidy.

Is that in the Bible?

 

[Zadok001]

Look everybody! Nonsense!

John: You understand basic physics, right? Things that start out spinning, when they collide with other things, can cease to spin or begin spinning in oddball directions. Neh? If you say otherwise, it would be the case that I would be unable to spin a top - After all, I'm changing it's spin.

 

[Arikay]

So john, you mean if I spin a basket ball and then drop it on the ground, its not supposed to spin the opposite direction when it bounces back? How odd, because it seems to happen to me all the time.

in the beginning God knew that someone was going to come up with a theory to try to disprove creationism.

Can you quote god on this? Or are you putting words into his mouth? Isnt doing that a sin?

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 11:09 PM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #2 Is that in the Bible?

What is a verse? According to the dictionay it is one of the numbered subdivisions of a chapter in the Bible.


Now what does uni mean as in unicycle? Uni means one. Now put the two of them together: Uni and verse. What do you have: Universe. God spoke the universe into existance in one verse.

If you doubt that, then you need to come up with a different word to use, because that is the meaning of the word.




 

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 11:36 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #5 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=655966#post655966)

What is a verse? According to the dictionay it is one of the numbered subdivisions of a chapter in the Bible.<B> </B>

Now what does uni mean as in unicycle? Uni means one. Now put the two of them together: Uni and verse. What do you have: Universe. God spoke the universe into existance in one verse.

If you doubt that, then you need to come up with a different word to use, because that is the meaning of the word.


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You didn't answer my question. I am not debating whether or not God created the universe. I am questioning where you got this idea that "God put a reverse spin on parts of the universe, just to keep their theory from being so neat and tidy."

 

[Arikay]

or verse could mean: To familiarize by study or experience.

So through your logic, Uni (one) verse (study or experience). One experience.

Or we could just look up the word, and we find:

"Universe:
1. All matter and energy, including the earth, the galaxies, and the contents of intergalactic space, regarded as a whole.
2.
a. The earth together with all its inhabitants and created things.
b. The human race.

3. The sphere or realm in which something exists or takes place.

n 1: everything that exists anywhere"


This reminds me of the joke.
Politic:
Poly: a greak work meaning many.
Tick: a blood sucking creature.

Politic: Many blood sucking creatures.

Today at 08:36 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #5 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=655966#post655966)

What is a verse? According to the dictionay it is one of the numbered subdivisions of a chapter in the Bible.


Now what does uni mean as in unicycle? Uni means one. Now put the two of them together: Uni and verse. What do you have: Universe. God spoke the universe into existance in one verse.

If you doubt that, then you need to come up with a different word to use, because that is the meaning of the word.




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[JohnR7]

Today at 11:32 PM Arikay said this in Post #4

So john, you mean if I spin a basket ball and then drop it on the ground, its not supposed to spin the opposite direction when it bounces back? How odd, because it seems to happen to me all the time.&nbsp;

Ok, what did they bounce off of so as to reverse their motion? Can you demonstate to me that two spinning object can reverse their spin, by crashing into each other?

Even in your example you have to put a reverse spin on the ball, if you want it to bounce back to you.

 

[Arikay]

Again, can you give us a quote from god, or did you just talk for god?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Today at 11:03 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #1

In the beginning according to science there was a big bang. But also, there was a spinning beginning. The universe started in a swirling motion and everything in the universe is a part of a spinning motion. Even there is a theory that as things spin off of the big bang, they expand in a swirling motion. Usually a clockwise motion. But not everything. There are planets that spin counterclockwise. There are moons that have counterclockwise orbits. There is even a whole galaxy that marches to the beat of a different drummer and is swirling counter clock wise.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Sorry, had to get that out of my system. John, I swear you will make me believe in miracles. There's no natural explanation for how you can believe the drivel you foist on us.

What theory does science have to explain this? Nothing, zip, zero, zilch, nada.

Why should it? You're so vague, it's easier to believe that you just made it up.

They have no explaination at all for this. What explaination does creationism have for these seemingly backward spinning heavenly bodies?

Absolutely none whatsoever.

Simple, in the beginning God knew that someone was going to come up with a theory to try to disprove creationism.

This is your theory, not the Creationist theory. I'll file it with your other snippets of wisdom.

&nbsp;So God put a reverse spin on parts of the universe, just to keep their theory from being so neat and tidy.

I read&nbsp;this whole post&nbsp;just to hear you say "Goddidit" yet again?

That's five minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Wouldn't it have just been easier for God to sign his work like any other self-respecting artist? Maybe line up all the stars for a big ol' smiley face? How about putting His face on the moon?

Your God went through a lot of trouble to hide his work, only to pull the rug out from under us. Good thing you enlightened the rest of us before Judgement Day; He would've deep-fried all of us in hell for not believeing, even though He never bothered to spell out the Truth.

Such a God is hardly worthy of worship.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 11:56 PM Nathan Poe said this in Post #10 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=655985#post655985)

Sorry, had to get that out of my system. John, I swear you will make me believe in miracles. There's no natural explanation for how you can believe the drivel you foist on us.

It's threads like this that make me wonder about John's motivation. Is he genuinely sincere in his beliefs or is he just trying to make creationists look silly?

 

[ardipithecus]

Today at 04:03 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #1

In the beginning according to science there was a big bang. But also, there was a spinning beginning. The universe started in a swirling motion and everything in the universe is a part of a spinning motion. Even there is a theory that as things spin off of the big bang, they expand in a swirling motion. Usually a clockwise motion. But not everything. There are planets that spin counterclockwise. There are moons that have counterclockwise orbits. There is even a whole galaxy that marches to the beat of a different drummer and is swirling counter clock wise.

JohnR7 has confused the Big Bang with the origin of the Solar System: two things which have nothing to do with each other and are separated by about 9 billion years give or take a lot.&nbsp; No theory in real astronomy expects that the Solar System shares a common rotation with the Galaxy or the universe.&nbsp;

Also there is no theory that things spun off the Big Bang.&nbsp; Indeed anyone who would say such a thing does not even know what the Big Bang theory even says.&nbsp;&nbsp; Such an idea would fit the popular misconception of the Big Bang exploding into pre-existing space.&nbsp; I will accept no argument that such a theory exists except a citation to the scientific literature or articles/books by people who are professional cosmologists.&nbsp; Remember that the Big Bang was NOT an explosion no matter what mediocre pop science articles say.&nbsp;

What theory does science have to explain this? Nothing, zip, zero, zilch, nada. They have no explaination at all for this. What explaination does creationism have for these seemingly backward spinning heavenly bodies? Simple, in the beginning God knew that someone was going to come up with a theory to try to disprove creationism. So God put a reverse spin on parts of the universe, just to keep their theory from being so neat and tidy.

Gee and the explanation is extremely easy to understand.&nbsp; Lets limit the discussion to the Solar System since that is the only thing of relevance on this issue.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If nothing in the Solar System ever interacted with each other and merely orbited around the Sun the creationists would have a point.&nbsp; But that is not the case.&nbsp; Things interact with each other.&nbsp; This is why there are cases of reverse orbits and rotations.&nbsp; Consider moons around a planet.&nbsp; If these moons formed in orbit around the planet they would tend to all orbit the right way (all things being equal).&nbsp; However sometimes moons were not always moons.&nbsp; Moons that are captured have a good chance of going into orbit the wrong way: which way they will orbit will depend on what side of the planet the moon originally approached the planet.&nbsp; Also things like collisions can change orbits and rotations.&nbsp;&nbsp;Gravitational influences&nbsp;can also come to play on this issue.&nbsp;So on and so forth.&nbsp; JohnR7 has basically demonstrated that he never bothered to learn why astronomers do not think this "objection" is a problem to modern ideas of how the Solar System formed.&nbsp;

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[Kookaburra]

haha, one issue at a time.

Today at 02:27 PM Zadok001 said this in Post #3 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=655956#post655956)

Look everybody! Nonsense!

John: You understand basic physics, right? Things that start out spinning, when they collide with other things, can cease to spin or begin spinning in oddball directions. Neh? If you say otherwise, it would be the case that I would be unable to spin a top - After all, I'm changing it's spin.

Haha, can you get a whole galaxy to start spinning a different direction? How would you get it to do so, even if you could? If you say things could hit each other and start spinning another way, then how did a whole galaxy do that? If your theory is correct, then only the planets/stars that hit other things would spin the other way. Not the whole galaxy. Or prove otherwise. Now, I don't claim to be an expert, but we're not talking about basketballs here. Gases and stars made up of them have totally different properties than rubber.

 

[Arikay]

Ardi: I agree, I would like to see the article that states that everything spun off of the big bang.

Kookaburra:
Well, galaxies are very big, so a collision of a galaxy can sometimes mean they pass right through each other. However, if there were large gravity masses at the center, they could bounce off each other and change rotations. Unfortunatly I dont know much about this besides that you dont really touch anything, you only feel the interaction between forces. So a large but compact galaxy, could act very similiar to a basketball, in the fact that the forces could act as one.

Today at 09:41 PM Kookaburra said this in Post #13 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=656054#post656054)

haha, one issue at a time.




Haha, can you get a whole galaxy to start spinning a different direction? How would you get it to do so, even if you could? If you say things could hit each other and start spinning another way, then how did a whole galaxy do that? If your theory is correct, then only the planets/stars that hit other things would spin the other way. Not the whole galaxy. Or prove otherwise. Now, I don't claim to be an expert, but we're not talking about basketballs here. Gases and stars made up of them have totally different properties than rubber.

 

[Tenek]

Yesterday at 11:41 PM Kookaburra said this in Post #13

haha, one issue at a time.




Haha, can you get a whole galaxy to start spinning a different direction? How would you get it to do so, even if you could? If you say things could hit each other and start spinning another way, then how did a whole galaxy do that? If your theory is correct, then only the planets/stars that hit other things would spin the other way. Not the whole galaxy. Or prove otherwise. Now, I don't claim to be an expert, but we're not talking about basketballs here. Gases and stars made up of them have totally different properties than rubber.

Might have something to do with 10^80 baryons, six times that in dark matter, eighteen in dark energy, and thirteen billion years of particle interaction.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

The Big Bang does not state that everything started spinning because rotation requires a center which does not exist according to the Big Bang. Furthermore, for everything to spin clockwise or counter-clockwise, it would require a prefered plane, which also doesn't exist.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Yesterday at 11:41 PM Kookaburra said this in Post #13 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=656054#post656054)

haha, one issue at a time.




Haha, can you get a whole galaxy to start spinning a different direction? How would you get it to do so, even if you could? If you say things could hit each other and start spinning another way, then how did a whole galaxy do that? If your theory is correct, then only the planets/stars that hit other things would spin the other way. Not the whole galaxy. Or prove otherwise. Now, I don't claim to be an expert, but we're not talking about basketballs here. Gases and stars made up of them have totally different properties than rubber.

Smash another galaxy into a galaxy and you can easily change the rotation. Very few things are so big that you can't find something just as big or bigger to smash into it.

 

[Orihalcon]

direct contact isn't always needed. there's that little thing called gravity.

also, galaxies are formed and destroyed, just on a much grander scale than stars. depending on where the original placement of each star/space dust/etc. it will change the shape, size, speed, and direction of spin of the galaxy...

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Yesterday at 08:36 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #5 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=655966#post655966)

What is a verse? According to the dictionay it is one of the numbered subdivisions of a chapter in the Bible.


Now what does uni mean as in unicycle? Uni means one. Now put the two of them together: Uni and verse. What do you have: Universe. God spoke the universe into existance in one verse.

If you doubt that, then you need to come up with a different word to use, because that is the meaning of the word.




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Maybe you should have bothered to look up the word univrse in the dictionary before you just made up a history of where the word came from.

Universe: from middle english, from old french (univers) from latin (universus) literaly "turned into one" Uni = one, Versus = to turn

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Yesterday at 09:41 PM Kookaburra said this in Post #13 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=656054#post656054)

haha, one issue at a time.




Haha, can you get a whole galaxy to start spinning a different direction? How would you get it to do so, even if you could? If you say things could hit each other and start spinning another way, then how did a whole galaxy do that? If your theory is correct, then only the planets/stars that hit other things would spin the other way. Not the whole galaxy. Or prove otherwise. Now, I don't claim to be an expert, but we're not talking about basketballs here. Gases and stars made up of them have totally different properties than rubber.

Okay I am going to assume that you are talking about the "backwards spinning galaxy...

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/2002/03/

Did you bother reading what astronomers think about it?

Did you think that galaxies don't ocassionaly collide?

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/2000/34/

Guess what, Andromeda and the Milky Way (aka our galaxy) will someday collide.

http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0107/06cannibal/