144 cubit wall=144,000 MT ZION

[Starr]

The Stature Cubit and wall God opens it up.





I found something zooming in on a few words Christ spoke which ofcourse blew me in the direction of so many really beautiful things finding their substance in Christ. I was so blessed by this. I hope you are.




Mat 6:27 Which of you by taking thought (or worrying) can ADD A SINGLE (ONE) CUBIT unto his STATURE?


This all relates bear with me in explaning these things these are beautiful.



Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred [and] forty [and] four cubits, [according to] the MEASURE OF A MAN, THAT IS, OF "THE ANGEL" *CLUE (MOUNT ZION) where do we see 144? Or something comparative? And how can we arrive in the comparison that this is what its speaking of?

SEEK FIRST My Kingdom and MY RIGHTEOUSNESS and HE SHALL ADD (ADDS THE CUBIT) to ONES STATURE the MEASURE OF A MAN goes from SIX to SEVEN (ENTERED REST=SEVENTH DAY= MADE COMPLETE IN CHRIST)=ANGELS LOOK AT MT ZION AS PAUL TALKS ABOUT IT. SPIRITS OF RIGHTEOUS MEN MADE PERFECT=ADD TO THEM STATURE (Paul puts it as) The FULL MEASURE OF THE STATURE OF CHRIST.


Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the FIRSTBORN, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of JUST MEN MADE PERFECT= BY BLOOD OF THE LAMB= SONS OF GOD= FULL STATURE.





Now the 144 CUBITS are changed from one picture to the other. But Christ having ALL THINGS SUMMED UP IN HIM and Him being both First to Last, Begining and End would make no difference. Hes all.


Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.



How does this happen? The next two verses will show you in Duet."This Day" is a Clue which as the Walls are a Clue BOTH speak of "Salvation".

" Thy WALLS SALVATION"




Duet 1:10-11 The LORD your God HATH MULTIPLED YOU, and, BEHOLD, YE ARE “THIS DAY” as the STARS OF HEAVEN FOR MULTITUDE. (Fourth Day Lazarus RAISED UP=Children of Resurrection (CHRIST) as THE ANGELS!! As Stars are for Signs in Genesis. (I have a study on the Spiritual truths of the fourth day in Christ).

FOLLOW ME HERE… DEUT 10: 11 The LORD God of your fathers MAKES YOU A THOUSAND TIMES AS MANY THEN YE ARE, and bless you =WITH HIS SPIRIT= as he hath promised you! IN MULTIPLYING THEM. Always God says this in BLESSING. See Genesis.

Do THE MATH 144000!!!! The Wall is 144 Cubits They ARE AS THE WALL TIMES a THOUSAND = MANY MORE THEN YE ARE (144)=144000 Symbolic of the First fruits of the Spirit which are NOW an INUMERABLE COMPANY OF ANGELS as the Children of the Kingdom ARE AS THE ANGELS.



THE WALLS are CALLED SALVATION HERE WE ARE RECIEVING THE GOAL OF OUR FAITH AND THE "SALVATION OF OUR SOULS"= spirits of JUST MEN MADE PERFECT ON MT ZION. Salvation is from the JEWS. True Jews are those with circumsized HEARTS done by the Hand of God (By the Spirit).

Rev 14:4-5 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are WITHOUT FAULT (BLOOD OF THE LAMB) before the throne of God.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them ( ONLY IN THE *OLD COVENANT) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (WHEREWITH HE FINDS NO FAULT WITH THEM=BLOOD OF CHRIST)

Heb 8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, and write them IN THE HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: ( REV) HAVING HIS FATHERS NAME ON THEIR FOREHEADS (ALL SHALL KNOW ME). NEW COVENANT= And they shall NOT TEACH EVERY MAN his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for ALL SHALL KNOW ME, from the least to the greatest. Jesus tells you who the LEAST and the GREATEST ARE Those who keep and break the commandments and they are IN THE KINGDOM.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more= Where there is No LAW SIN is NOT IMPUTED (The law is not of faith and made nothing perfect) therefore He remembers their sins no more (and the Blood of Christ cleanses us from unrighteousness).

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the FIRSTBORN, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of JUST MEN MADE PERFECT= BY BLOOD OF THE LAMB. To the PURE all things are PURE.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto MOUNT ZION, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an INNUMERABLE COMPANY OF ANGELS.

Brought back from the Dead (in SIN=Under Law) IN FIRST ADAM (The older order of things has passed) into LIFE (CHRIST)= SECOND ADAM in Whom there is Resurrection and the children thereof=Angels of Heaven= in Mt Zion a JOYFUL ASSEMBLY to which we ARE COME (Spiritual reality). Having the Firstfruits of the Spirit which was POURED OUT ON ALL FLESH.


Those born of the Spirit are as Mt Zion following HIM (The Lamb) wherever HE GOES because as the wind bloweth and you hear the sound but cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going so also are they which are born of the Spirit.



(Ephesians 4:13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a PERFECT MAN (MADE COMPLETE) unto the FULL MEASURE OF STATURE= (ADDS CUBIT) of the FULNESS OF CHRIST: (PERFECT BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB) .



How would one say, “FALL SHORT” (IN STATURE?) only of the “GRACE” of God WHICH is not WITHOUT EFFECT “BUT” the LAW made NOTHING PERFECT=See? So which of us WORRYING (For ones life under the law) can ADD a CUBIT to our own stature? But TRUST IN GOD and by HIS GRACE and HE will ADD TO YOUR STATURE making one PERFECT and COMPLETE IN HIM.


My Grace is sufficient for you and my power is made perfect in weakness.

In Him

Starr

 

[davidoffinland]

From Finland.

Compare this with the other commentaries about the 144,000...from only this christian group to that of members of a Jewish believing community, I find this quite interesting!!

Shalom, David.

 

[Starr]

Though David I cannot share to save my Life. Salvation is from the Jews. As the Waters (in Revelation are seen as peoples tribes, tongues and nations) the Jews were as the waters (like the levites) bearing UP (on the cross) the Ark of the Testimony. Seen elsewhere as the waters rising.

The First man (being many) which types Adam (The first) as a Wall that falls.But Second Adam is raised up. A restored Wall is as Salvation. Now ofcourse there is no difference between Jew or Greek. Geneologies cease to be in the One New man we become in Truth. For When He sends His Spirit THEY are created and He thus calls THEM MAN. Created in Him.

In Him

Starr

 

[In Christ Forever]

THE WALLS are CALLED SALVATION HERE WE ARE RECIEVING THE GOAL OF OUR FAITH AND THE "SALVATION OF OUR SOULS"= spirits of JUST MEN MADE PERFECT ON MT ZION. Salvation is from the JEWS. True Jews are those with circumsized HEARTS done by the Hand of God (By the Spirit).

Yes, salvation was to be of the jews. Jesus came from and for the jews first. But salvation was to come from them also through their destruction I believe. All 12 tribes are shown, with a multitude of the saved elect through Christ, which would include both Nations of the House of Israel, Judah[jews] and Israel[mingled with the gentiles].

roman 9: 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 [What] if God, wantingto show [His] wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 [even] us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

1 thess 2:14 For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they [did] from the Judeans, 15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, 16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up [the measure of] their sins; but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost.

Jeremiah 17:1 "The sin of Judah [is] written with a pen of iron; With the point of a diamond [it is] engraved On the tablet of their heart, And on the horns of your altars, 2 While their children remember Their altars and their wooden images By the green trees on the high hills. 3 O My mountain in the field, I will give as plunder your wealth, all your treasures, [And] your high places of sin within all your borders.3O My mountain in the field, I will give as plunder your wealth, all your treasures, [And] your high places of sin within all your borders. 4 And you, even yourself, Shall let go of your heritage which I gave you; And I will cause you to serve your enemies In the land which you do not know; For you have kindled a fire in My anger [which] shall burn forever."

 

[Starr]

Absolutely InChristforever,

These (anyone seeking justifaction under the law) are partaking of the Tree God had said thou shalt not eat of and shall die doing so. For as this Tree is as the same Mountain (Mt Siani) upon which God himself descended upon with Fire (Christ did this). Now Just as faith worketh Gods love in us who believe so also does law worketh Gods wrath in those disobedient to His command. Under the law one stands condemned already NOT Justified. Its THIS FIRE we pull others OUT OF (which is already present in a spiritual reality) Hating the GARMENT STAINED WITH FLESH. Only way you can stain a garment is by working (under the law) and not in resting in Gods finished work in Christ. Its by the sweat of ones brow seen in accordance to the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil which is indeed under a curse. In Christ there is no more curse.

But our Garments (seen in the garden in type) are those which God gives us in Christ. Those which he left for us. THESE we are to keep with us.

Two Spiritual mountains Siani and Zion are two spritual realties of either curse or blessing. Our thoughts should be turned as to which one our hearts percieve as our present reality. Under the law the curses are "No rest day or night" fear for thy LIFE (No assurance of salvation). But when any man turns to Christ casting by faith this great mountain burning with fire into the sea the trumpet sounds in our own walk and the victory is the Lords to which we are made overcomers by faith. We thus come to Mount Zion an untouchable Mountain but nevertheless a spiritual victory and everpresent spiritual reality.

Going from the staure of six to Seven entering Gods rest and cease from our labours under the law (by the sweat of our brow) we come to realize in a truth that the law made nothing perfect. But now before the throne of God we truly now know we stand as Spirits of just men made perfect by the Blood of the lamb in our reality as an anchor in our soul. Knowing with certainty through our fiery ordeal that we are made perfect in Him alone and have put our trust in the living God and who casts out the fear from Mt Siani and the trembling for our lifes and we find in our reality His love and assurance of our salvation.


God is AWESOME! And SO TRUE! Praise His Holy Name.

The fear of the lord is only the begining of Wisdom but perfect love (wrothed about in the furnance of affliction) casts out fear.

in Him

Starr

 

[Starr]

Another thought in Christforever.

The Generations of Adam (fist Adam=930 years) and the Seventy years of desolation are as the thousand years which are seen as "Yesterday" WHEN IT HAS PASSED OR as a Watch in the Night. But there is a Thousand years Peter spoke of which is as a Day.
I see this as the first thousand (which is as the Old to which Paul testified) passing away as it did already.These being testified of the good things already here but that in the past only represented shadows and types not the realities themselves.

God is the same "yesterday" "To Day" and "Forever". But while it is Called To Day, Paul saw this (not yesterday see?) Yesterday has passed(First 1000 years) all things are made new from Henceforth.

The 144 can also be seen as those who came for Jesus as well. Who bore Him up and who God had put into their hearts to give rule and reign to the beast for ONE HOUR where as Kings while delivering up Christ. Satan entered Judas and He came with many lifting up Jesus as the sign of Moses a Serpent moses lifted up as Jesus who knew no sin BECAME SIN for us. As Arons Rod was casted Down (in Judgement) it BECAME A SERPENT and SWALLOWED UP all the other serpents (Lies) into Himself and is Now The Truth of all that was Spoken of in Scripture. Death of the old man is swallowed up in LIFE and Victory in Jesus Christ. This is How Just is seen in this similitude as The Truth as well. All prophesies considered a lie UNTIL THEY ARE FULFILLED.

God declares the END (OF OLD THINGS) From the BEGINING (CHRIST IS BOTH). First Adam Died All died and in Christ all will be made Alive in Him.

He is THE FIRST and THE LAST the BEGINING and THE END. ALL THINGS ARE SUMMED UP IN CHRIST.

Amen and Amen. Before Him every wall has fallen (whitewashed wall) and Now our walls are salvation. Theres always a twofold work in Christ both as One man and Him in us. Thats why Pharoah was given two dreams because God has was showing a Testimony of two or three witnesses and He will establish it.

Christ fulfilled the law yet He establishes His law in us. Which is Love. Against which there is no law.

But that which is built of hay stubble and the like always falls when God shakes it. Though one suffers loss they can be saved yet so by FIRE. We carefully build a wall see? Its a play on words. That which is first always falls. Anything build not by faith shall fall in the divine judgement of God.

Whitewashed walls fall as a proud man shall be humbled or brought down low. This is also seen in Paul who acted in ignorance and in unbelief. Pauls walls fell that day and Paul was an example of Gods long suffering toward us.

The man of sin is not revealed until the falling away. He then is taken out of the way once He is seen. So it would be no longer Him who lives but Christ in Him. As Jermiah said, "I was a brute beast before you, I was ignorant". Here is the principle of the law. Here is where Jesus said, "He who is forgiven much LOVES MUCH" why? God bound all men over to disobedience for the sole purpose of having Mercy on them. Thus when they have seen from where they have fallen and return to their former estate (Grace) God love is seen through the working of it all. Paul thus was not Judged but SIN in Him was judged. Paul said, Then It is no longer I who do it BUT SIN IN ME. Paul saw this. Now walking in the Spirit freed from the law of sin and death He has beheld the man of sin.

The Carnal man is as the Beast (Ignorant and unbelieving) Speaketh against that which by nature it does not understand. How? Because the Natual man recieveth not the things of the Spirit and cannot by its nature. Thats why He is seen in Revelation as blaspheming those in heaven the tabernacl of God. For the one born of the Spirit is always persecuted by the Carnal man.

Cain was an example of that man as well. (Firstborn of the flesh) He DID serve God Hes not shown doing anything different then serving God. But not by Truth (Spirit) but believeth a Lie (Under the Law =to be like God through the works thereof). Yet God marks Him so no one will kill Cain even though Hes driven from Gods presense. Ofcourse then Cain builds a city. and the Seventh from Him is seen a blessing. How unsearchable are His Judgements!

Amen and Amen

In Him Starr

 

[In Christ Forever]

The Carnal man is as the Beast (Ignorant and unbelieving) Speaketh against that which by nature it does not understand. How? Because the Natual man recieveth not the things of the Spirit and cannot by its nature. Thats why He is seen in Revelation as blaspheming those in heaven the tabernacl of God. For the one born of the Spirit is always persecuted by the Carnal man.

Good post. As their are 2 beasts in revelation and I feel they both represent Godless nations, but God is using one of those nations with 10 kings to attack another with 2 kings[beast of the earth/Harlot] just as God used the King of Babylon to attack Jerusalem the first time.
Symbolically, I see these as both houses of Israel, the 10 kings of the House of Israel[gentiles] and the 2 kings of the House of Judah[Harlot/Jerusalem]. So yes, both beasts are carnal and both are persecuting the saints. How do you view the 2 beasts? God bless.

reve 17:16 "And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 "For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 "And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth."

 

[TomUK]

I find this sort of thing quite upsetting. Look at the bible as a whole- not isolated passages proving what you want them to prove. I am more than prepared for the flaming which i sadly expect to endure now....

 

[In Christ Forever]

I find this sort of thing quite upsetting. Look at the bible as a whole- not isolated passages proving what you want them to prove. I am more than prepared for the flaming which i sadly expect to endure now....

Why would one christian in Christ flame another one? Aren't we all here to discuss our views on the bible? What is upsetting about the posts here?

Jeremiah 17:1 "The sin of Judah [is] written with a pen of iron; With the point of a diamond [it is] engraved On the tablet of their heart, And on the horns of your altars, 2 While their children remember Their altars and their wooden images By the green trees on the high hills. 3 O My mountain in the field, I will give as plunder your wealth, all your treasures, [And] your high places of sin within all your borders.3O My mountain in the field, I will give as plunder your wealth, all your treasures, [And] your high places of sin within all your borders. 4 And you, even yourself, Shall let go of your heritage which I gave you; And I will cause you to serve your enemies In the land which you do not know; For you have kindled a fire in My anger [which] shall burn forever."

 

[Starr]

TomUK,

This is Good news not bad and we are finding agreement together not disagreement where do you see this? We have shared (the both of us) numerous amounts of scripture, I think your misunderstanding because there is none here. Were discussing the words of scripture from everywhere. We are to compare spiritual with spiritual. The final thought in all this. Christ, by Faith and the All sufficient grace of God is the place it takes us. Thats all.

Relax and reread it.

In Him

Starr

 

[In Christ Forever]

TomUK,

This is Good news not bad and we are finding agreement together not disagreement where do you see this? We have shared (the both of us) numerous amounts of scripture, I think your misunderstanding because there is none here. Were discussing the words of scripture from everywhere. We are to compare spiritual with spiritual. The final thought in all this. Christ, by Faith and the All sufficient grace of God is the place it takes us. Thats all.

Relax and reread it.

In Him

Starr

Hi Starr. Those wanting the Truth from God's book will always do so through the Spirit of Truth in us.
For example, the way God put it to Jeremiah, the burning of the anger of the Lord would last forever. Revelation shows a city on fire and the smoke of her going up "forever". Hard not to relate these verses together. God bless.

Jeremiah 17:1 "The sin of Judah [is] written with a pen of iron; With the point of a diamond [it is] engraved On the tablet of their heart, And on the horns of your altars, 2 While their children remember Their altars and their wooden images By the green trees on the high hills. 3 O My mountain in the field, I will give as plunder your wealth, all your treasures, [And] your high places of sin within all your borders.3 O My mountain in the field, I will give as plunder your wealth, all your treasures, [And] your high places of sin within all your borders. 4 And you, even yourself, Shall let go of your heritage which I gave you; And I will cause you to serve your enemies In the land which you do not know; For you have kindled a fire in My anger [which] shall burn forever."


reve 8:8 Then the second angel sounded: And [something] like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood......

Jeremi 51 25 "Behold, I [am] against you, O destroying mountain, Who destroys all the earth," says the LORD. "And I will stretch out My hand against you, Roll you down from the rocks, And make you a burnt mountain.

zech 4:7 'Who [are] you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel [you shall become] a plain! And he shall bring forth the capstone With shouts of "Grace, grace to it!" '

 

[Starr]

Yes... and all those Trumpets sounding are the Victories we have in Jesus Christ in our experience with Him. Past present and future all are ours in Him.

There are two beasts.

One standing out of water and in water

(Do you know where that is found? though nothing of the beasts is spoken there).

Where in scripture did Jesus see His house becoming a Den of theives was at? Where did the buying and selling take place? Was it in Rome? or politically or Spiritually?

Who said "who" was making merchandise of whom? And who makes merchandise of the bodies and souls of men?

Who can only buy or sell anywhere if in ones mind they have IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES with anything other then Christ (like a Name made for oneself or by which men call themselves by?) What of the mark of the right hand of fellowship is offered by accepting the Name or being marked and identified with them in this Name (?) What if you could not buy of them or sell anything to them UNLESS you had their mark. See? Its this Mark or identity one is to overcome to be identified with Christ in His death. Some in the Synagauge believed in Him but dared not testify of Him for fear of being PUT OUT of the Synagague (place of gathering).

One will be taken the other left. Where Lord? Where the dead body is there the vultures with GATHER.

The Gathered waters are SEAS (there is other definitions of what the seas are).

The Waters that thou sawest are PEOPLES MULTITUDES TRIBES AND NATIONS.

The Gathered waters are SEAS one is taken the other left.

Its a Furnace as is Egypt which is as Old Jerusalem. Where the Lord also was Crucified.

See?

In Him

Starr