‘Far-right knifeman’ in Finland attacks two children leaving 12-year-old seriously injured in rampage at shopping centre

[essentialsaltes]

The grim rampage unfolded in the northern Finnish city of Oulu at around 6.30pm on Thursday.

The Finnish outlet has named Sebastian Lämsä as the suspected attacker behind last night's horrors.

He reportedly targeted two Finnish children with foreign backgrounds - lunging for a second after injuring the 12-year-old who is now in stable condition.

Born in 1990, Lämsä allegedly has neo-Nazi links and has previously been convicted of serious acts of violence.

YLE reported the suspect was a former key member of the Nordic Resistance Movement - a neo-Nazi group banned in Finland since 2020.

in 2013 he was found guilty of stabbing someone at a speech on the rise of far-right groups.

Oula Silvennoinen, an extreme right-wing researcher at the University of Helsinki told YLE he isn't shocked by the stabbing but said it is rare to have a child as the target of right-wing attacks.

 

[AlexB23]

The grim rampage unfolded in the northern Finnish city of Oulu at around 6.30pm on Thursday.

The Finnish outlet has named Sebastian Lämsä as the suspected attacker behind last night's horrors.

He reportedly targeted two Finnish children with foreign backgrounds - lunging for a second after injuring the 12-year-old who is now in stable condition.

Born in 1990, Lämsä allegedly has neo-Nazi links and has previously been convicted of serious acts of violence.

YLE reported the suspect was a former key member of the Nordic Resistance Movement - a neo-Nazi group banned in Finland since 2020.

in 2013 he was found guilty of stabbing someone at a speech on the rise of far-right groups.

Oula Silvennoinen, an extreme right-wing researcher at the University of Helsinki told YLE he isn't shocked by the stabbing but said it is rare to have a child as the target of right-wing attacks.

One word after this colon: Sickening

 

[iluvatar5150]

I’m sure this is somehow the fault of wokeness.

 

[trophy33]

He could be called far-left and nothing would change. These labels lost their meanings.

 

[AlexB23]

He could be called far-left and nothing would change. These labels lost their meanings.

Well, any party with the prefix "far-" are folks that I stay away from. I prefer centrist ideals, or parties that are closer to the center, such as lean left, or lean right.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I’m sure this is somehow the fault of wokeness.

Wokeness may explain the nonexistent death toll.

 

[trophy33]

Well, any party with the prefix "far-" are folks that I stay away from. I prefer centrist ideals, or parties that are closer to the center, such as lean left, or lean right.

Its quite subjective and different in various countries and political systems. What is called centrist in one environment can be called far-x in another.

With some obvious exceptions like practicing violence or criminal activities - thats obviously too far-x in all democratic environments.

 

[chevyontheriver]

The grim rampage unfolded in the northern Finnish city of Oulu at around 6.30pm on Thursday.

The Finnish outlet has named Sebastian Lämsä as the suspected attacker behind last night's horrors.

He reportedly targeted two Finnish children with foreign backgrounds - lunging for a second after injuring the 12-year-old who is now in stable condition.

Born in 1990, Lämsä allegedly has neo-Nazi links and has previously been convicted of serious acts of violence.

YLE reported the suspect was a former key member of the Nordic Resistance Movement - a neo-Nazi group banned in Finland since 2020.

in 2013 he was found guilty of stabbing someone at a speech on the rise of far-right groups.

Oula Silvennoinen, an extreme right-wing researcher at the University of Helsinki told YLE he isn't shocked by the stabbing but said it is rare to have a child as the target of right-wing attacks.

We just have to ban guns.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

We just have to ban guns.

Yes, if the guy had a gun. He could have shot more people.

 

[AlexB23]

Its quite subjective and different in various countries and political systems. What is called centrist in one environment can be called far-x in another.

With some obvious exceptions like practicing violence or criminal activities - thats obviously too far-x in all democratic environments.

That is true. If I am not mistaken, Democrats in the US would be closer to center in Germany. However, we must make sure that criminal activity and violence are not condoned.

 

[eleos1954]

The grim rampage unfolded in the northern Finnish city of Oulu at around 6.30pm on Thursday.

The Finnish outlet has named Sebastian Lämsä as the suspected attacker behind last night's horrors.

He reportedly targeted two Finnish children with foreign backgrounds - lunging for a second after injuring the 12-year-old who is now in stable condition.

Born in 1990, Lämsä allegedly has neo-Nazi links and has previously been convicted of serious acts of violence.

YLE reported the suspect was a former key member of the Nordic Resistance Movement - a neo-Nazi group banned in Finland since 2020.

in 2013 he was found guilty of stabbing someone at a speech on the rise of far-right groups.

Oula Silvennoinen, an extreme right-wing researcher at the University of Helsinki told YLE he isn't shocked by the stabbing but said it is rare to have a child as the target of right-wing attacks.

Evil running rampant in the world.

 

[Pommer]

Evil running rampant in the world.

So…same as every other year?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Its quite subjective and different in various countries and political systems. What is called centrist in one environment can be called far-x in another.

I've never seen Nazis and neo-Nazis described as anything other than far-right in any environment.

 

[trophy33]

I've never seen Nazis and neo-Nazis described as anything other than far-right in any environment.

While, in fact, Nazis were far left - socialists. Similarly to fascists in Spain or Italy, during the WWII. These labels are totally confusing and misused by the media.

The Right wants the most possible freedom for an individual, with weak gov and low or none taxes and regulations.
The Left is for collectivism and uniformity, strong gov and redistribution of wealth.

Media have also begun to ascribe nationalism, protectionism or racism to the Right and economic globalism, ecology or moral liberalism to the Left, but these things are not fundamentally Right or Left. These are just associations in a specific place and time, like for example family values.

 

[durangodawood]

He could be called far-left and nothing would change. These labels lost their meanings.

Far right is clearly distinguished from far left in terms of attitudes toward ethnic and cultural "purity". Racial resentments, immigration etc have motivated various far right mass murders.

I'm just responding to your general comment about the ideologies. I dont know what motivated this particular OP event.

 

[trophy33]

Far right is clearly distinguished from far left in terms of attitudes toward ethnic and cultural "purity". Racial resentments, immigration etc have motivated various far right mass murders.

If a communist was a racist or against immigration, he would be far right?

 

[durangodawood]

If a communist is a racist or against immigration, he is far right?

I was talking generally about these 2 ideological dispositions. Im sure we can dig up individuals here and there who buck the trend with a mix and match approach. But that doesnt negate the generalization.

Where I think far right and far left, historically anyway, are similar, is in their willingness to use violence to further their ends. Not as sure that it applies these days tho. I see more violence today in support of essentially conservative motives than progressive motives. (Brevik, OK City, 9-11). This was not always the case. Back when communist revolution was taken seriously, the left at least evened the score.

 

[trophy33]

I was talking generally about these 2 ideological dispositions. Im sure we can dig up individuals here and there who buck the trend with a mix and match approach. But that doesnt negate the generalization.

But a trend is just an association here and now. Its not a definition of the political left or of the right.

The same trend can be hold by the far-left in the South America or Russia and by the far-right in the USA.

 

[durangodawood]

But a trend is just an association here and now. Its not a definition of the political left or of the right.

Left - progressive, change, motivated by a better system
Right - conservative, putting on the brakes, the values of tradition and known order

By this reckoning, far right: anti immigrant, ethnic stability and even purity, old time religions. Anders Brevik, Osama Bin Laden, that Wal Mart shooter in El Paso, that guy who shot up a black church, etc.

Im not discounting the horrors done by the far left when they were enamored by communist revolution. But thats faded quite a bit in recent decades.

 

[trophy33]

Left - progressive, change, motivated by a better system
Right - conservative, putting on the brakes, the values of tradition and known order

Left - strong government, uniformity, redistribution of wealth, free healhcare/education, market regulations
Right - individual freedoms, weak government, low or none taxes, free market, no regulations for private enterprises

Things like "the values of tradition" are not left or right, communists or Nazis were against change and for the traditional values, for order, conservative etc and they were far-left.