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“I die daily.” What did Paul mean?

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One of the most misused scriptures in the Bible (IMO) is Paul’s statement that we “die daily” (1 Cor. 15.31) which, by popular spiritualized interpretation, means that we are to “die” to sin daily, or to self, or to poverty, or to sickness, or whatever your pet subject is. Some of these eisegetical interpretations, I think, would have amazed the Apostle.

What was he really saying? Personally, I think he was simply saying that he was in jeopardy of death every day. He was in danger of physical death. I believe this by reading the phrase in context:
30 And why do we stand in jeopardy every hour? 31 I affirm, by the boasting in you, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. 32 If, in the manner of men, I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantage is it to me? (1 Cor. 15).
Most modern translations make this very clear. For example …
… I face death daily. (NLT)

… I face death every day. (AMP)

… and face death every day. (CEV)
What do you think?

~Helen Wheels

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One of the most misused scriptures in the Bible (IMO) is Paul’s statement that we “die daily” (1 Cor. 15.31) which, by popular spiritualized interpretation, means that we are to “die” to sin daily, or to self, or to poverty, or to sickness, or whatever your pet subject is. Some of these eisegetical interpretations, I think, would have amazed the Apostle.

What was he really saying? Personally, I think he was simply saying that he was in jeopardy of death every day. He was in danger of physical death. I believe this by reading the phrase in context:
30 And why do we stand in jeopardy every hour? 31 I affirm, by the boasting in you, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. 32 If, in the manner of men, I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantage is it to me? (1 Cor. 15).
Most modern translations make this very clear. For example …
… I face death daily. (NLT)

… I face death every day. (AMP)

… and face death every day. (CEV)
What do you think?

~Helen Wheels


The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

What the apostle Paul meant by dieing daily is to die to one's own self ....we are to give up the works of our flesh daily so that the Holy Spirit can work through us.
 
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One of the most misused scriptures in the Bible (IMO) is Paul’s statement that we “die daily” (1 Cor. 15.31) which, by popular spiritualized interpretation, means that we are to “die” to sin daily, or to self, or to poverty, or to sickness, or whatever your pet subject is. Some of these eisegetical interpretations, I think, would have amazed the Apostle.

What was he really saying? Personally, I think he was simply saying that he was in jeopardy of death every day. He was in danger of physical death. I believe this by reading the phrase in context:
30 And why do we stand in jeopardy every hour? 31 I affirm, by the boasting in you, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. 32 If, in the manner of men, I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantage is it to me? (1 Cor. 15).
Most modern translations make this very clear. For example …
… I face death daily. (NLT)

… I face death every day. (AMP)

… and face death every day. (CEV)
What do you think?

~Helen Wheels


The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
Interesting point ~Jim..

I see what you mean when you read the context of the few sentences with it..

Like he is saying.."I face death all day"

Yet,we know he did not die daily physically,so I guess he could have meant it spiritually.
 
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What is death when it comes to realm of God?

I am not sure where you are coming from but I see death as well as sleep in a spiritual sense. When Adam died he did not die at that moment, he lived to be well over nine-hundred years old that is as we know death. But he died spiritually; not that his spirit was totally dead; but a sleep. A dead man cannot see, smell, touch taste or feel; and this is especially true if you are spiritually dead. With this in mind I present the following scriptures.

For: Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 7: 1A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth

When came to this earth He died, in that He left the realm of spirit and took upon the realm of death.

Praise God it is a fact the more new walk by His anointing the weaker our flesh will become and we will subdue us as well as every form of resistance of the carnal nature until it is His life alone that is made manifest. Nothing like the glorious anointing of the Holy Spirit to make us weak - weak yet very strong for there is power released of which few know anything about because they have refused to accept the sphere of weakness where in He is made strong.

Death is used to die out to which caused us to be entangled. After that the death process, after that comes salvation with its more abundant life. Thought death there is much that is destroyed-made non effect. It brings an end to so many things. All the old life, the carnality, the self life, the will the imaginations, the intents. But destroyed by the cross. However God does not desire fellowship with a corpse, so needs to follow a resurrection to much more divine living.

1 Corin. 1:25 (Amp) [This is] because the foolish thing [that has its source in] God is wiser than men, and the weak thing [that springs] from God is stronger than men. 26For [simply] consider your own call, brethren; not many [of you were considered to be] wise according to human estimates and standards, not many influential and powerful, not many of high and noble birth. 27[No] for God selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is foolish to put the wise to shame, and what the world calls weak to put the strong to shame. 28And God also selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is lowborn and insignificant and branded and treated with contempt, even the things that are nothing, that He might depose and bring to nothing the things that are, 29So that no mortal man should [have pretense for glorying and] boast in the presence of God.
30But it is from Him that you have your life in Christ Jesus, Whom God made our Wisdom from God, [revealed to us a knowledge of the divine plan of salvation previously hidden, manifesting itself as] our Righteousness [thus making us upright and putting us in right standing with God], and our Consecration [making us pure and holy], and our Redemption [providing our ransom from eternal penalty for sin].

Above all, the weakness is an attitude of the heart, weather it has any outward forms expressed or not, it really does not matter when we know in ourselves that we are nothing so we lean heavily on Him. Drawing from Him that strength which is equal to the need, and that grace which is truly sufficient for all things. How precious does the Spirit help our weakness, as we rise to walk in that new creative life.

Romans 8: 19For [even the whole] creation (all nature) waits expectantly and longs earnestly for God's sons to be made known [waits for the revealing, the disclosing of their sonship].

20For the creation (nature) was subjected to [9] frailty (to futility, condemned to frustration), not because of some intentional fault on its part, but by the will of Him Who so subjected it--[yet] with the hope(4)

21That nature (creation) itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and corruption [and gain an entrance] into the glorious freedom of God's children.

22We know that the whole creation [of irrational creatures] has been moaning together in the pains of labor until now.(5)

23And not only the creation, but we ourselves too, who have and enjoy the firstfruits of the [Holy] Spirit [a foretaste of the blissful things to come] groan inwardly as we wait for the redemption of our bodies [from sensuality and the grave, which will reveal] our adoption (our manifestation as God's sons).

24For in [this] hope we were saved. But hope [the object of] which is seen is not hope. For how can one hope for what he already sees?

When Adam died, we all died, so to die daily is the second death; or death to self.
 
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What the apostle Paul meant by dieing daily is to die to one's own self ....we are to give up the works of our flesh daily so that the Holy Spirit can work through us.

Well, that’s the popular interpretation … but that was simply not what Paul was driving at when you read the statement in context. Once again (NLT)
30 And why should we risk our lives hour by hour? 31 For I swear, dear brothers and sisters, that I face death daily. This is as certain as my pride in what Christ Jesus our Lord has done in you. (1 Cor. 15)
Paul was simply, in that most important chapter in the Bible dealing with physical death and resurrection, talking about daily risking his life for the sake of the Corinthians, facing death daily for them. Nothing more.

~Sarah Bellum

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Well, that’s the popular interpretation … but that was simply not what Paul was driving at when you read the statement in context. Once again (NLT)
30 And why should we risk our lives hour by hour? 31 For I swear, dear brothers and sisters, that I face death daily. This is as certain as my pride in what Christ Jesus our Lord has done in you. (1 Cor. 15)
Paul was simply, in that most important chapter in the Bible dealing with physical death and resurrection, talking about daily risking his life for the sake of the Corinthians, facing death daily for them. Nothing more.

~Sarah Bellum


The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

Do yu really Jesus was concerned with mere phyical death, Paul understood this. Jesus had to die from the realm of God and become a man before He could take on the body of flesh. Paul too understood the realm of God beyond the veil of flesh. We are speaking of spiritual, and with out the examples of the natural we men have a fleshly mind would never understand the realm above. God is trying to show us something above and beyond the carnal and the flesh.

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1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come. example

Example: NT:5178 a : Strong’s: tupikos (toop-ee-kos'); an adverb related to NT:5179; found only in 1 Cor 10:11: as a warning, by way of example, typologically (i.e. figuratively, as a prophetic type, a typological interpretation of Scripture)
 
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One of the most misused scriptures in the Bible (IMO) is Paul’s statement that we “die daily” (1 Cor. 15.31) which, by popular spiritualized interpretation, means that we are to “die” to sin daily, or to self, or to poverty, or to sickness, or whatever your pet subject is.


So what you're saying is that we should go on sin daily, live selfishly, do our best to stay poor, stay sick don't even go to the doctors?
 
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So what you're saying is that we should go on sin daily, live selfishly, do our best to stay poor, stay sick don't even go to the doctors?

Of course not. What I am saying is we are commonly misinterpreting the phrase “I die daily.” It is true that we should continually reckon ourselves deat to sin, but what the phrase means, in the sense Paul used it, was that he, Paul, was in risk of dying every day for the sake of the Gospel. Sort of like how you have chosen to misinterpet what I "meant."

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My flesh. If we give our hearts to God, then we will know what is sinful and what is not sinful. One of the greatest examples I have learn is from Lot's wife. Lot's wife died when she looked back. Looking back means you rely on flesh's desires more than God's commands and desires.
As Christian, I know that the world is no longer my master and that I am an over-comer because of the Holy Spirit that is within me. That’s the definition of a Christian. That's a mark of a true follower of Jesus Christ.

James wrote it clear that God's grace is amply sufficient to enable us to live a godly life and to keep ourselves "from being polluted by the world" (James 1:27). "My temporary body is decaying at the same time, my inner being is being renewed day by day" (2 Cor 4:16).

According to Romans 8:9, the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit is the mark of all who are truly born again: "You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him."

In Ephesians 4:23, the Greek word translated "renewed" (ananeoo) is used which means "to create again" or "make new." According to His grace, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit that being justified by His grace I might be made heir according to the hope of eternal life. In Ephesians 4:23 says, "Be renewed in the spirit of your mind" which means I am not to think the way I did before I knew Christ. I am no longer controlled by a self-centered mind but rather I learn from Christ through grace. The life I live is not mine but Christ living in me (Gal. 2:20). Like a baby is born with a fresh, new mind even though I live in an aging body, my spirit is being renewed daily.

In Ephesians 4:25 says
"Put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness."
 
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My flesh. If we give our hearts to God, then we will know what is sinful and what is not sinful. One of the greatest examples I have learn is from Lot's wife. Lot's wife died when she looked back. Looking back means you rely on flesh's desires more than God's commands and desires.
As Christian, I know that the world is no longer my master and that I am an over-comer because of the Holy Spirit that is within me. That’s the definition of a Christian. That's a mark of a true follower of Jesus Christ.

James wrote it clear that God's grace is amply sufficient to enable us to live a godly life and to keep ourselves "from being polluted by the world" (James 1:27). "My temporary body is decaying at the same time, my inner being is being renewed day by day" (2 Cor 4:16).

According to Romans 8:9, the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit is the mark of all who are truly born again: "You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him."

In Ephesians 4:23, the Greek word translated "renewed" (ananeoo) is used which means "to create again" or "make new." According to His grace, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit that being justified by His grace I might be made heir according to the hope of eternal life. In Ephesians 4:23 says, "Be renewed in the spirit of your mind" which means I am not to think the way I did before I knew Christ. I am no longer controlled by a self-centered mind but rather I learn from Christ through grace. The life I live is not mine but Christ living in me (Gal. 2:20). Like a baby is born with a fresh, new mind even though I live in an aging body, my spirit is being renewed daily.

In Ephesians 4:25 says
"Put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness."

Amen... Awesome post
 
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Although I agree with the translation in the OP, it doesn't negate the dying daily, as we are told to take up our crosses daily. A cross if for crucifying only, not for carrying around, so perhaps that spiritualized interpretation is not far off.
 
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Sound's more plausible when you put it like that for sure. Also there is that scripture that tells us that we are already dead in sin...so how can we 'die daily' to sin when we are already dead in sin??
The question is this: Is your flesh struggling with sin even though you are in Christ spiritually and without sin?
 
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No - no struggle...it's dead...dead people don't struggle ;)

Let's talk about 'dead' then. :D
The day I was born, even though as a baby, I was innocent but I have (still have) a disease that called sin. Growing up in a Christian family, I have learned that I possessed an intellectual understanding and knowledge of the truth and yet not be saved. I was able to live "morally" right but still a sinner and was unable to acknowledge God. I have learned that I was born spiritual ignorant which means spiritually dead. Through Adam, we are born spiritually dead. I have learned that through Adam I was dead and I need to have life through Christ. "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned." (Romans 5:12). Which means I WAS SPIRITUALLY DEAD. A sinner cannot choose God until God convicts him/her of their sins. If the dead person (spiritually or physically) is to come back to life he/she will have to be resurrected by God. In the spiritual realm this means he/she must be born from above. A spiritually dead person is without the Holy Spirit, therefore we do not have the "ability" to get saved on our own because we have the freewill to sin (slave to sin).

After salvation, we face life-long sanctification. In sanctification God has to deal with us on the death side as well as on the life side. The struggle begins. "If any man come to Me and hate not his own life, he cannot be My disciple." Being sanctified means “to be separated from sin”.

The key to sanctification then, is to know and obey the truth which is the Word of God in our hearts. When we got saved, we were justified which is "declared righteous". Justification cannot be separated from sanctification. We are declared righteous in justification, and then the process of making us righteous begins to function in this sinful world. Which means, you will ALWAYS have problems in this sinful world until your body dies.
 
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What did you say? Sorry didn't get what you were saying at all.

The thing is....this life we are living is sin...everything is sin. My body is riddled with sin, that's why it's dying/dead. I can live a righteous life by puting my focus on Christ...sure but that won't make my body anymore 'alive' until Jesus returns and I am raised from the dead...and my body is redeemed, until then I'm dead in sin.
 
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What did you say? Sorry didn't get what you were saying at all.

The thing is....this life we are living is sin...everything is sin. My body is riddled with sin, that's why it's dying/dead. I can live a righteous life by puting my focus on Christ...sure but that won't make my body anymore 'alive' until Jesus returns and I am raised from the dead...and my body is redeemed, until then I'm dead in sin.

You are not dead in sin when you are alive spiritually. That's what I am saying. Your body still carries sin and one day your body will die but YOU will not. This is sanctification.

If a Christian don't feel the conviction and didn't have the motivation to change from "within", then we should be concerned whether we are truly saved or not. "If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." The condition of the heart determines how receptive a person is to God's commandments.

In sanctification, God has to deal with us on the death side as well as on the life side. The struggle begins. "If any man come to Me and hate not his own life, he cannot be My disciple." Being sanctified means “to be separated from sin”. The key to sanctification then, is to know and obey the truth which is the Word of God in our hearts. When we got saved, we were justified which is "declared righteous". Justification cannot be separated from sanctification. We are declared righteous in justification, and then the process of making us righteous begins to function in this sinful world.
 
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I agree with what you're saying...but the bible does say that we are dead in sin also PHYSICALLY. I'm not talking spiritually...cos yes we are alive spiritually, we share in Jesus death an resurrection, but physically that hasn't happened yet we are yet to be resurrected and changed into our glorified bodies. Until that time our spirit groans in wait for our bodies to be redeemed. But until then we are dead and buried. Yes we walk in the spirit etc...and Christ shines through...he is our life...HE is the one that people see. He is the one who's obediences becomes ours (by walking in the spirit)...it's HIS life that people see in us. The only life we have is in Christ, Christ is in our spirit and our spirit is made alive in him. The spirit shall quicken our mortal body...yes but that won't happen until resurrection.
 
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Where does does it say we have a freewill or choice when it comes to our own salvation?
Do you think God saves us against our will?

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