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    Angels and Theistic Evolution

    As a real life TE, I will say that I agree entirely with Tinker Grey above. But, to cut to the heart of the question, of course TE's accept that God can create anything He likes with a wave of the hand. I don't think that is His usual MO in this universe, of course, and definitely wasn't with...
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    Evolution is not dependent upon pain and death

    Yes, Atomweaver, I think you must be on a very different evolutionary path! :0) Maybe toward shark-like tooth regeneration!
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    Evolution is not dependent upon pain and death

    This is much in that point, Billwald. We DO evolve, but not our ability to control our environment and our socialization-overrides of reproductive fitness definitely throw true efficiency all out of whack (and very likely for the better, in most cases). Once God established a relationship with...
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    Is a Certain Origins Belief Important?

    You know me by now, come in and engage for a while, then disappear for a year or so. :0) Mostly it is the nature of my work. You would think that being an estate planning attorney would not be cyclical, but oddly, it does seem to come in waves. I get swamped, can't post for a while, get out...
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    Is a Certain Origins Belief Important?

    Exactly, and what is ESSENTIAL to understand is that you need not accept creationism to accept the "Fall". I have met very few Christians who accept evolution who do not also accept EVERY essential theological concept regarding Genesis as fully as even the most ardent YEC. So, there is...
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    Is a Certain Origins Belief Important?

    Crawfish, the only reason to engage in the discussion (other than the fact that it is interesting in its on right), is the damage to the Gospel message that a dogmatic presentation of creationism creates. Or, in other words, the creationists started it! :0)
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    Evolution is not dependent upon pain and death

    Agreed, there are many problems with the creationist idea that death = evil, and God can not possibly use evil as a method of action. But, there you go. We have both seen the argument made by Creationists here and elsewhere.
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    Evolution is not dependent upon pain and death

    Agreed, there are many problems with the creationist idea that death = evil, and God can not possibly use evil as a method of action. But, there you go. We have both seen the argument made by Creationists here and elsewhere.
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    No, evolution is not founded on pain and death

    Seminoles, while I am pretty sure the paleontologist understands evolution, I know that I *do* have a pretty good handle on it and I can see exactly what they are saying. The point is that it is not the "death" part that makes evolution go. It is the "reproduce in greater number" part, ie. the...
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    Evolution is not dependent upon pain and death

    Here is a great point made by Stephen Godfrey (Paleontologist) and Christopher Smith (a Baptist minister) in their new book Paradigms on Pilgrimage, one of a slew of new books by Christian authors supporting evolution. It addressed one of the primary objections Creationists have to evolution...
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    No, evolution is not founded on pain and death

    Here is a great point made by Stephen Godfrey (Paleontologist) and Christopher Smith (a Baptist minister) in their new book Paradigms on Pilgrimage, one of a slew of new books by Christian authors supporting evolution. It addressed one of the primary objections Creationists have to evolution...
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    Is a Certain Origins Belief Important?

    Vossler, I agree with what you are saying generally, but with one very important caveat. The message of God in early Genesis is very, very important, and it is essential that we grasp and cling to that message. But, what I find is that we ALL seem to get those essential messages (God created...
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    Is a Certain Origins Belief Important?

    I agree with Juvi! (see there, it can be done!) The only real danger is when someone ties the truth of their position with the truth of Scripture or the Gospel message. It is only when someone says "if Genesis is not what I think it is, then we can not trust Scripture, and may as well throw...
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    More Christians than atheists accept evolution?

    Speakout, the evidence for evolution is just so overwhelming, it is very difficult to point to a single thing. The first, and most important step for me was when I realized that Scripture did not preclude evolution in the least. When, during my studies in ancient history I came to see that...
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    More Christians than atheists accept evolution?

    As one with a degree in ancient history, we must always consider what an ANE writer would have intended. The simple fact is that when they are writing about past events, even past events they consider very real and literal historical events, they had almost NO desire to use a "literal...
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    Most evolutionists are Christian

    I agree with Mallon. Of course a Christian who accepts evolution will be a Theistic Evolutionist. And we TE's do, indeed, "accept evolution".
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    Most evolutionists are Christian

    And let's not forget the Clergy Project! 11,000+ pastors signed on the petition in support of a statement accepting evolution.
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    Most evolutionists are Christian

    Here is one analysis, from another thread I started in the CE forum, which you can find here http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7266913: 80-85% are christians 10-15% are non-religious (atheist, agnostic, other) 45-50% Accept evolution (from total population) Thus, even if 100% of...
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    More Christians than atheists accept evolution?

    Washington, that is perfect, thanks! And given the extreme disparity in the numbers, even if someone wanted to argue about some of the numbers, they would have to concede that majority of evolutionists in America are Christians.
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    Most evolutionists are Christian

    Here is an interesting factoid: If you took all of the the people in the U.S. who accept evolution and put them in a big room, the majority of people in that room would be Christians. There are simply more Christian evolutionists than atheist/agnostic evolutionists. I find this interesting.
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