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    Do the angels in heaven celebrate the atonement of Christ?

    The reason why I ask this is that our church leaders regard the communion service as really a tradition that needs to be done but doesn't engage them personally. It's the only time they ever use the liturgy. That part is just bolted onto the service. And in administering the bread they all utter...
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    Is the Nicene creed supportive of Reformed Theology?

    "I am reformed, so penal substitution, of course". I know what you mean, but surely the argument that I will need to use in discussion with my methodist elite is "I stand by the Bible, so ...penal substitition, of course". Wesley has his beliefs about Christ turning away God's wrath and man's...
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    Is the Nicene creed supportive of Reformed Theology?

    It's good that I took philosophy of language all those years ago at uni. But thanks, understood what you have written. But what do you think scripture points to? Where do you stand and do you accept nuance, and are atonement interpretations conflicting or complementary? Does the...
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    Is the Nicene creed supportive of Reformed Theology?

    Thanks for this. I am surprised that it has taken me since covid to get to grips with these issues of atonement. So I have downloaded a piece by Joel Tiegreen on Wesley and the atonement and I have borrowed an unused book from the church library called Methodist Theology by Kenneth Wilson. In...
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    Is the Nicene creed supportive of Reformed Theology?

    Now this is interesting. Tell me more. I need to understand the historical facts and developments before these preachers start telling me that I am the one who's the rebellious outlier.
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    Is the Nicene creed supportive of Reformed Theology?

    But my church doesn't like any version of atonement theory. Would you say that IS a problem. I think the general approach is Jesus came to set THE example and being a Good Person, inevitably the political powers killed him. The resurrection is a bit of an embarrassment, too but in some sense...
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    Is the Nicene creed supportive of Reformed Theology?

    "suffered for our salvation"....this wouldn't be a problem for the liberals preaching in our church. So clearly neither the Nicene nor the Athenasian creed is a problem for them. And one preacher that I am about to write to is likely to use those creeds to attack me. If he really knows his...
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    Is the Nicene creed supportive of Reformed Theology?

    The denomination I am attending is Wesleyan Methodist. Atonement is part of the official catechism. I am asking my question on this forum as I know that I will get a thought-through reply. But I have been thinking that the Cross is not glorious material for preaching even in most of the...
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    Is the Nicene creed supportive of Reformed Theology?

    "For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven, was incarnate from the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried" My denomination in its local expression really dislikes the atonement and I...
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    Congregation don't understand that Jesus died for their sins - but are they saved?

    I suppose there isn't much more to add - that's the question. They never talk about Christ or share their walk with Him. They basically try to get as far away from the preacher and the front as possible. But maybe it's just 'cos they are anglo-saxon. But is the grace of God stronger than their...
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    Sanctuary Sunday - we are all children of God and we need to be inclusive...

    Well, ARE we all the children of God? And what does it mean to be inclusive? The sermon this morning IMO manipulated these words to guilt-trip us into facilitating migration. In the current context this is NOT the migration referenced in the bible, of individuals or family groups, but mass...
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    How does extreme sin exists along with a powerful spirit-filled ministry?

    Some really good stuff here, recognising the way things are, I would say everywhere. And this is why Jesus died, so that in observed fact, we know that neither our salvation nor our ministry is effective through our own righteousness. But of course this is clear from low-level ministry say...
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    How does extreme sin exists along with a powerful spirit-filled ministry?

    That's what I am driving at, I suppose. It IS possible for a person, even a prophet or apostle, to exercise the gifts of the spirit but with little fruit. There is a danger imo, (while others clearly seem to disagree) in labelling the whole ministry as satanic because it's basically carnality at...
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    How does extreme behaviour exist side by side with a spirit-filled ministry?

    I have been reading about TB Joshua. It got me rather perplexed. Apparently, he didn't just have 'moral failings'. Don't we all? But there were miracles and conversion and church growth (along with all those controversies that always accompany such movements). In my boring, uncharismatic...
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    Starting crying to the Moody Blues - what's the matter with me these days?

    Yes, I'm listening to this album now. Avoided it at the time. Thought it was sickly-sweet. Still do, but there are some powerful songs.
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    How does extreme sin exists along with a powerful spirit-filled ministry?

    I have been reading about TB Joshua. It got me rather perplexed. Apparently, he didn't just have 'moral failings'. Don't we all? But there were miracles and conversion and church growth (along with all those controversies that always accompany such movements). In my boring, uncharismatic...
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    Were you disappointed by your Christmas Service?

    Agree totally. But don't you see what I am getting at?
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    Were you disappointed by your Christmas Service?

    As a follow on to this. A sermon on the temptation of Christ ONLY focused on our duty and responsibility to God (OK, great), to others (justice, OK), and to creation (Ok). But in this period of Lent as Christ travelled towards the painful fulfilment of his ministry of the reconciliation of God...
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    Were you disappointed by your Christmas Service?

    I have worked 20 years in social concern, most noticeably in Fairtrade. The directing theology was of Shalom - the gospel covers eternal salvation and alleviation from poverty. I KNOW there is no dichotomy. I am NOT forcing my church to come down on one side or other in concern for the souls and...
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    How has life changed for you spiritually, having retired?

    I retired from work this time last year, although I was only working part-time. We had moved house during covid and since then we have lost a number of our Christian friends and acquaintances. We ourselves have had minor brushes with ill health and I have possible long covid in that I have...
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