Fleeing to Mars not of God

truthpls · 2025-04-28T09:23:20-0500

Desk trauma said:
This line of questioning has nothing to do with any of your scripture only what you posted. This is what you said:

Right, and God told us this because He said all flesh would be killed unless He intervened. Many bible scholars have interpreted that to mean just people. I interpret it to mean all life on earth. I have listed many ways the extinction of mankind could happen already. Since man is the primary purpose of the planet and sun moon and stars and animals on earth and other life as well, if man ended, why would the earth continue on? What, a few cockroaches and germs? We are told everything that is alive in the sea will die. The waters fresh and seas will be poisoned, killing all life in them. So that leaves land animals and life left. I recall another prophesy that says the beasts will be attacking mankind.

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Revelation 6:8

A prophesy from God also speaks of animals turning against man as part of punishments for disobeying. There is no greater time of disobedience than the end time, so that applies as well

Lev 26:
22 I will send wild animals to attack you, and they will take your children away from you and destroy your cattle. They will make you so few in number the roads will be empty.

23 "'If you don't learn your lesson after all these things, and if you still turn against me,

24 I will also turn against you. I will punish you seven more times for your sins.

25 You broke my agreement, and I will punish you. I will bring armies against you, and if you go into your cities for safety, I will cause diseases to spread among you so that your enemy will defeat you.

Imagine if rats and birds and insects and beasts suddenly lost all their usual instincts and started trying to kill mankind!

Then, as mentioned, suddenly men will start killing each other as well! I gave the verses for that in a previous post. Then there are natural disasters like asteroids falling from space and hitting earth! Unless God stepped in, that would kill possibly most of the life on earth. Then there is the final evil world government that will be slaying large parts of the population! Then there is the mark of the beast in the foreheads or hands that is mandated by the government that somehow goes wrong and kills many many who took it! Then there will be earthquakes so great it is unimaginable! Every skyscraper and every mountain on earth will be shaken and brought down low. Every island on the planet (like Australia) will be jerked out from where it was and move! Every tree will be burned! All water will be undrinkable! The sun will go out! It will be dark all the time.

The only question is how much of this will be caused (allowed to be caused) by man! My guess is that enough of this will be caused by man to kill everyone, and therefore also probably the rest of life on earth. I think a large part of the final judgments of God will be His allowing man (directed by Satan) to destroy the earth. So much so, that He will have to come down and stop it before it is total.

That is the final face of sin. The path sin led man to. The only question is how much of all this will be caused by actions of mankind. That we could debate. But it is the action of man also that brings the wrath of God! So yes man would kill, yes KILL all life on earth for sure if not for God stepping in!! How would man kill it all? I suggest both by his evil weapons and science and murders etc as well as man's action of fighting God and giving in to Satan. That has to result in death. As I said, fallen man is dangerous and except for God stepping in, his actions will result in the end of all life on earth.

Your attempt to try and cast doubt on the sin nature of man and how man's actions will result in extinction of all life on earth unless I name some big weapon that could do this is refuted. As I also said, there are weapons we have not seen yet that man will use. Weapons or science that will affect the climate, the water, the health of man, the animals and etc etc.

Desk trauma · 2025-04-28T09:43:13-0500

truthpls said:
I interpret it to mean all life on earth. I have listed many ways the extinction of mankind could happen already.

Humans are not all life on Earth.

truthpls said:
Since man is the primary purpose of the planet and sun moon and stars and animals on earth and other life as well, if man ended, why would the earth continue on?

Because natural processes continue with or without humans.

truthpls said:
What, a few cockroaches and germs?

That would be life.

truthpls said:
Your attempt to try and cast doubt on the sin nature of man and how man's actions will result in extinction of all life on earth unless I name some big weapon that could do this is refuted.

I made no mention of sin, I leave arguments about that to people who believe in it. What I was trying to get was the method you claim humans have of eradicating all life that we are allegedly being prevented from using by your deity.

truthpls said:
As I also said, there are weapons we have not seen yet that man will use. Weapons or science that will affect the climate, the water, the health of man, the animals and etc etc.

Ah, more of the speculative weapons.

Ophiolite · 2025-04-28T09:51:33-0500

Desk trauma said:
Humans are not all life on Earth.

Because natural processes continue with or without humans.

That would be life.

I made no mention of sin, I leave arguments about that to people who believe in it. What I was trying to get was the method you claim humans have of eradicating all life that we are allegedly being prevented from using by your deity.

Ah, more of the speculative weapons.

It is natural that, as humans, we focus a lot of our thinking and actions upon ourselves and other members of our species. But there is a danger in that approach, a form of arrogance that believes we are not only more important than any other species, but that other species are not of any importance. When that develops to the point where we think we are chosen for that role and protected in some way then any motivation to protect our environment and our fellow lifeforms disappears, and we are left with a complacent arrogance. It's really rather sad.

truthpls · 2025-04-28T10:25:22-0500

Desk trauma said:
Humans are not all life on Earth.

Correct but they are what matters. The rest are made for us. As man goes, so go the rest of life here. We are not just some other animal as science falsely teaches.

Desk trauma said:
Because natural processes continue with or without humans.

No. They sure do not. The planet was made for us. Nothing continues without us. Especially when man takes actions to kill kill kill such as we see more and more in the end times. Giving in to Satan and taking his mark and killing His people will have grievous consequences. Consequences so great that unless He returned it would kill everyone. There is no carte blanche to sin without limit.

Desk trauma said:
That would be life.

Without water, life dies. Without protection from the science and wars and devices of man, life dies. Just like if man let loose (if he was allowed) all 10,000 or whatever number of nuclear weapons that he has, life dies. The sum total actions of man, biological. nuclear, chemical, etc combined with wicked man's rebellion against God and giving over to the powers of hell would result in the death of life on earth if not for God stepping in.

Desk trauma said:
I made no mention of sin, I leave arguments about that to people who believe in it.

It is all about sin. The wars, the science that kills, the plagues, the death etc. That is the name of the game. If you miss that you miss the forest for the trees. You do not need to mention the elephant in the room for it to be there.

Desk trauma said:
What I was trying to get was the method you claim humans have of eradicating all life that we are allegedly being prevented from using by your deity.

It is the method of rejecting God and the subsequent descent into death and hell and extinction that results. Part of that we know about. The great death science could cause, and womd. Other parts we do not know about yet, such as what could poison the oceans and burn the grass and trees in all the planet.

Desk trauma said:
Ah, more of the speculative weapons.

Yes we know there are things that are not revealed to the public right away. No news there.

Desk trauma · 2025-04-28T10:57:12-0500

truthpls said:
Correct but

… it invalidates your assertion that humans can eradicate all life but are being prevented from doing so if we don’t have the means to do so at our disposal.

truthpls said:
No. They sure do not. The planet was made for us. Nothing continues without us.

Yes, they sure do,the natural world isn’t reliant on humans. It would continue if we killed ourselves off.

truthpls said:
Just like if man let loose (if he was allowed) all 10,000 or whatever number of nuclear weapons that he has, life dies.

Much of it but not even close to all as you claimed.

truthpls said:
It is all about sin.

Incorrect.

truthpls · 2025-04-28T11:17:23-0500

Desk trauma said:
… it invalidates your assertion that humans can eradicate all life but are being prevented from doing so if we don’t have the means to do so at our disposal.

The actions of man using all the science at his disposal to destroy is insanely dangerous. The actions of man acting on Satanic sin impulses is leading to the destruction of life on earth. The consequences of such murderous rampaging insane sin are part of the damage man has caused. One of those consequences is bringing down the judgments of God. The sum total of all this would destroy life on earth if not for God stopping man. Man is responsible. Sin makes man use sticks and stones and cars and guns and swords and whatever he has to kill. Man has a lot these days if you notice. Whether man directly poisons the waters on earth and directly burns all the trees and grasses and tinkers with genetics to make animal life freak out etc etc etc is a moot point. Man under the direction and leadership of Satan will do all he can to kill and destroy. If by any chance that was not quite enough to kill all life on earth (?) then the judgments from God sent to earth because of man's sin and rebellion and murders will be more than enough. He will have to step in to save life on earth.

Once again your attempts to insinuate man is not quite up to the task are not supported.

Desk trauma said:
Yes, they sure do,the natural world isn’t reliant on humans. It would continue if we killed ourselves off.

In your dreams only. That is just a statement of faith that it was not created and created for man.

Desk trauma said:
Much of it but not even close to all as you claimed.

So you are claiming that if 10,000 nuclear weapons were used, that would not even be close to ending life on earth? I provided a link with a study saying that something like 4 or 5 billion would die if only 400 were used! Remember, we are talking about depraved men possessed basically by demons. Not normal 'good' people using restraint etc. That would be in a time where plagues were killing untold hundreds of millions of people, and possibly affecting animals as well. etc etc. Your claim about man being unable to kill us all, 'not even close' has not yet been supported. Did this come to you in a dream?

Desk trauma said:
Incorrect.

God overrules you.

Oh, and by the way, space is a big part of how man can destroy and war and kill and will be probably also in the near future when the world experiences the final fruition of sin on earth

Desk trauma · 2025-04-28T11:44:51-0500

truthpls said:
The actions of man using all the science at his disposal to destroy is insanely dangerous.

But incapable of eradicating all life on this planet.

truthpls said:
The sum total of all this would destroy life on earth if not for God stopping man.

Again, by what method?

truthpls said:
Once again your attempts to insinuate man is not quite up to the task are not supported.

I’m not the one claiming without evidence , or even being able to point to the method, that humans have the ability to eradicate all life.

truthpls said:
In your dreams only.

Nope, natural processes are indifferent and go on with or without humans being around.

truthpls said:
That is just a statement of faith that it was not created and created for man.

Nope, no faith to be found here.

truthpls said:
So you are claiming that if 10,000 nuclear weapons were used, that would not even be close to ending life on earth?

Correct, even the most pessimistic models of nuclear winter don’t show the earth being made totally lifeless.

truthpls said:
I provided a link with a study saying that something like 4 or 5 billion would die if only 400 were used!

Again humans =/= all life.

truthpls said:
Your claim about man being unable to kill us all, 'not even close' has not yet been supported.

All life, no. All humans, maybe. Modern models of nuclear winter show collapse of agriculture at least in the northern hemisphere so that could be an extinction level event for humans but not all life.

truthpls said:
God overrules you.

Nope.

truthpls · 2025-04-28T14:38:48-0500

Desk trauma said:
But incapable of eradicating all life on this planet.

Proof? Or was this in a dream you had? We do not know all we have now, or what we will soon have for destroying. In the one tool I asked about (if all 10,000 nuclear weapons were exploded) you did not address it. Are you just here for slogans or empty claims?

Desk trauma said:
Again, by what method?

Not one 'method' But all the things I cited including man's poking God in the eye and forcing a response.

Desk trauma said:
I’m not the one claiming without evidence , or even being able to point to the method, that humans have the ability to eradicate all life.

You are the one and the only one doing that actually. When God says all flesh on earth would not be saved alive unless He came and stopped us, we are in no position to argue! Looking at the thousands of nukes and other weapons we know exist you would need to make a case that this could not destroy the planet so that it would eventually not support life. What are you waiting for?

Desk trauma said:
Nope, natural processes are indifferent and go on with or without humans being around.

Prove it. You can't. Why make vacuous claims?

Desk trauma said:
Nope, no faith to be found here.

Yes the stement I quoted was faith based because it was not supported or supportable

Desk trauma said:
Correct, even the most pessimistic models of nuclear winter don’t show the earth being made totally lifeless.

Again humans =/= all life.

Name one model that has all nukes being used? I cited one with 400 being used and a death toll of I think it was 5 billion. Prove that exploding 10,000 would leave life and a planet capable of supporting life?

Desk trauma said:
All life, no. All humans, maybe.

If humans were allowed to go extinct, then the planet would be useless for it's created purpose. He says it will not happen. Your dreamed up scenarios don't amount to a hill of beans so far. How do you intend on proving there is no God? How do you intend on proving that if man were not here, the rest of the creatures on earth would be fine??

Desk trauma said:
Modern models of nuclear winter show collapse of agriculture at least in the northern hemisphere so that could be an extinction level event for humans but not all life.

Using how many nukes? Details.

Desk trauma said:
Nope.

We can disagree on whether you overrule God or not. A large part of the problem here seems to be that you erase God from your visions and scenarios leaving man as just some animal on planet earth. Then you seem to think that if some microbes continues to live for awhile or whatever, that this means man was not really needed or God. The problem is that if there is a God that created the world for us, and is coming here to live Himself one day along with His moon sized golden city He built for believers (who can never go extinct) that means your scenarios are empty dreams. It is denying man's place in the universe no less. Insulting God and creation and mankind. All with zero support so far.

Desk trauma · 2025-04-28T15:09:52-0500

truthpls said:
Proof?

Even the largest estimates of nuclear stockpiles don’t add up to the power of meteorites that have hit the earth. The impact winter was longer and more intense than we’re capable of producing yet life made it through. The planet has been through worse.

truthpls said:
You are the one and the only one doing that actually.

I don’t see how as I’m arguing against your notion that humans have the means to end all life on Earth.

truthpls said:
Prove it. You can't. Why make vacuous claims?

so the tree doesn’t make a sound if no one’s there? Nonsense.

truthpls said:
Yes the stement I quoted was faith based because it was not supported or supportable

Incorrect.

truthpls said:
If humans were allowed to go extinct, then the planet would be useless for its created purpose.

Thats your position not mine. The planets just a thing, purpose his a human notion.

truthpls said:
How do you intend on proving there is no God?

I don’t.

truthpls said:
How do you intend on proving that if man were not here, the rest of the creatures on earth would be fine??

Because they are in no way dependent on our existing.

truthpls said:
Using how many nukes? Details.

I recommend reading Nuclear War by Annie Jacobsen. She collected the current science well and made a good narrative explaining it.

truthpls said:
A large part of the problem here seems to be that you erase God from your visions and scenarios leaving man as just some animal on planet earth.

Yes I tend to not include things I don’t think exist in my thinking.

truthpls said:
Then you seem to think that if some microbes continues to live for awhile or whatever, that this means man was not really needed or God.

That shows your claim about humans being able to eradicate all life is incorrect. I’m not convinced gods exist so talking about their necessity is nonsense.

truthpls said:
The problem is that if there is a God that created the world for us, and is coming here to live Himself one day along with His moon sized golden city He built for believers (who can never go extinct) that means your scenarios are empty dreams. It is denying man's place in the universe no less. Insulting God and creation and mankind. All with zero support so far.

Pascal but even worse.

truthpls · 2025-04-28T16:32:57-0500

Desk trauma said:
Even the largest estimates of nuclear stockpiles don’t add up to the power of meteorites that have hit the earth. The impact winter was longer and more intense than we’re capable of producing yet life made it through. The planet has been through worse.

There will be asteroids hitting as well. But you have not supported your contention about the use of all 10,000 or whatever the total number may be, of nukes being used at once not killing life? Yes the planet has been through the flood and that is worse than some meteors falling I agree. There is one mentioned in the bible that will fall and ruin some waters. I am not even sure nuclear winter scenarios are designed for a total use of nukes?

Desk trauma said:
I don’t see how as I’m arguing against your notion that humans have the means to end all life on Earth.

Yes they do either directly in God allowing them to use their Satanic weapons and science, or in a combination of man's actions and the resulting wrath of God because of man's actions. Cause and effect.

Desk trauma said:
so the tree doesn’t make a sound if no one’s there? Nonsense.

No the trees are for man. No men, then there would be no trees. All the trees are burned up anyhow before the very end. How is life going to fare with no water, trees, or grass? All sea life dead. The continents wafting around like toy boats. The sun out and dark. Etc

Desk trauma said:
Incorrect.

Then show it to be correct.

Desk trauma said:
Thats your position not mine. The planets just a thing, purpose his a human notion.

God made us in His image and He has purposes also. Yes the things that are created are...well...things.

Desk trauma said:
I don’t.

Then don't make claims based on that premise

Desk trauma said:
Because they are in no way dependent on our existing.

Says...who? That is just a statement of faith again that we were not created.

Desk trauma said:
I recommend reading Nuclear War by Annie Jacobsen. She collected the current science well and made a good narrative explaining it.

I may have heard her on youtube. I do not recall her saying that the use of ALL nukes would result in man being OK?

Desk trauma said:
Yes I tend to not include things I don’t think exist in my thinking.

So all reality and what exists is dependent on your mind then?

Desk trauma said:
That shows your claim about humans being able to eradicate all life is incorrect. I’m not convinced gods exist so talking about their necessity is nonsense.

Nothing in what I said does any such thing.

Desk trauma said:
Pascal but even worse.

That is your attempted defence for having zero support for your claims? Try again

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