Scott Wagner blames body heat, earth moving closer to sun for global warming

The Barbarian · 2025-04-24T10:32:29-0500

Wagner, R-Spring Garden Township, had told his audience, "I haven't been in a science class in a long time, but the Earth moves closer to the sun every year -- you know, the rotation of the Earth. We're moving closer to the sun."

He also said, "We have more people ... you know, humans have warm bodies. So is heat coming off? Things are changing ... but I think we are, as a society, doing the best we can."

Scott Wagner blames body heat, earth moving closer to sun for global warming

He also said the Earth is inching closer to the sun. (It's not)

www.ydr.com

Wagner is a Pennsylvania state senator and the republican candidate for governor.

The Earth is not spiraling toward the Sun. In fact, it's moving away by a tiny 5 inches or so every year. And human body heat has absolutely no effect on global temperatures.

rambot · 2025-04-24T11:11:02-0500

"I haven't been in a science class for a long time but I'm not going to listen to scientists".

There is a fundamental problem with hubris in America.

JimR-OCDS · 2025-04-24T13:34:50-0500

Yesterday was Earth Day. The local news reported that the temps in MA went up two degrees since 1970
when Earth Day was first established.

Also, it is reported that the earth is 20% greener than it was just 20 years ago. Plants love
carbon. If you think global warming is bad, think what things would be like if the earth was
getting colder?

rambot · 2025-04-24T14:48:40-0500

JimR-OCDS said:
Yesterday was Earth Day. The local news reported that the temps in MA went up two degrees since 1970
when Earth Day was first established.

Also, it is reported that the earth is 20% greener than it was just 20 years ago. Plants love
carbon. If you think global warming is bad, think what things would be like if the earth was
getting colder?

It's AMAZING to me that God made a natural mechanism for us to correct our poor stewardship. Unfortunately, nobody is heeding the signs we are being shown and those natural mechanisms are simply getting overpowerered and ineffectual.

Here's the beauty of a cooling earth:
Humans can put on more clothes.

Here's the struggle of a warming earth:
Humans can't take off their skin to cool down.
The number of heat related deaths is increasing.

IT's not that I "think" climate change is bad, it's that it IS bad.

RileyG · 2025-04-24T14:55:59-0500

I have no words. SMH

The Barbarian · 2025-04-24T14:58:46-0500

rambot said:
"I haven't been in a science class for a long time but I'm not going to listen to scientists".

There is a fundamental problem with hubris in America.

Today's winner.

The Barbarian · 2025-04-24T15:02:15-0500

JimR-OCDS said:
Also, it is reported that the earth is 20% greener than it was just 20 years ago. Plants love
carbon.

That's another huge problem, one that's likely to kill a lot of people.

Less Nutritious Crops: Another Result of Rising CO2

Rising carbon levels are eroding nutritional values of staple crops, threatening millions with hidden hunger.

Less Nutritious Crops: Another Result of Rising CO2 | Hopkins Bloomberg Public Health Magazine

Rising carbon levels are eroding nutritional values of staple crops, threatening millions with hidden hunger.

magazine.publichealth.jhu.edu

RileyG · 2025-04-24T15:02:29-0500

rambot said:
"I haven't been in a science class for a long time but I'm not going to listen to scientists".

There is a fundamental problem with hubris in America.

Last time I took Biology was in 2014. Amazing how little our brains retain when information isn't actively being used

Anyway, the earth rotating around the sun is elementary level science. It's sad, he doesn't understand that. Oh well.

RileyG · 2025-04-24T15:02:49-0500

The Barbarian said:
That's another huge problem, one that's likely to kill a lot of people.

Less Nutritious Crops: Another Result of Rising CO2
Rising carbon levels are eroding nutritional values of staple crops, threatening millions with hidden hunger.

Less Nutritious Crops: Another Result of Rising CO2 | Hopkins Bloomberg Public Health Magazine

Rising carbon levels are eroding nutritional values of staple crops, threatening millions with hidden hunger.

magazine.publichealth.jhu.edu

Oh no!

rambot · 2025-04-24T15:39:25-0500

RileyG said:
Last time I took Biology was in 2014. Amazing how little our brains retain when information isn't actively being used Anyway, the earth rotating around the sun is elementary level science. It's sad, he doesn't understand that. Oh well.

I agree! I haven't been in a science class (as a student) since the year 1998. BUT I have immersed myself frequently in scientific topics that I am fascinated by and I follow reputable scientific bodies.

I'm more embarrassed.

The Barbarian · 2025-04-24T16:14:58-0500

RileyG said:
Oh no!

Afraid so. Messing with nature pretty much always has negative consequences. Maybe there's a lesson in that...

JimR-OCDS · 2025-04-25T06:16:02-0500

rambot said:
It's AMAZING to me that God made a natural mechanism for us to correct our poor stewardship. Unfortunately, nobody is heeding the signs we are being shown and those natural mechanisms are simply getting overpowerered and ineffectual.

Here's the beauty of a cooling earth:
Humans can put on more clothes.

Here's the struggle of a warming earth:
Humans can't take off their skin to cool down.
The number of heat related deaths is increasing.

IT's not that I "think" climate change is bad, it's that it IS bad.

Really? Try growing crops in an ice age.

JimR-OCDS · 2025-04-25T06:22:08-0500

The Barbarian said:
That's another huge problem, one that's likely to kill a lot of people.

Less Nutritious Crops: Another Result of Rising CO2
Rising carbon levels are eroding nutritional values of staple crops, threatening millions with hidden hunger.

Less Nutritious Crops: Another Result of Rising CO2 | Hopkins Bloomberg Public Health Magazine

Rising carbon levels are eroding nutritional values of staple crops, threatening millions with hidden hunger.

magazine.publichealth.jhu.edu

This is fallacy!

Crops don't care where the carbon comes from. They'll use what's available for them.

Farmers can do grow foods that are nutritious. Scientists like Dr Patrick Moore says that
anti-climate groups are doing more harm than good and often lying about what is
taking place.

The best thing we can do for poor nations is make energy cheaper for them. Green energy is
expensive and forcing poorer nations to stop using fossil fuels only keeps them poor.

sanderabeer · 2025-04-25T08:10:27-0500

JimR-OCDS said:
Also, it is reported that the earth is 20% greener than it was just 20 years ago. Plants love
carbon. If you think global warming is bad, think what things would be like if the earth was
getting colder?

I perform a quick fact check. The likely source for spreading the "20% greener" claim is Jordan Peterson. He posted the claim on X last year, but he does not cite a source. (The linked NY Times article does not mention the greening.)

I did find a report from NASA in 2019 which supports the idea of "greening." It says the Earth is 5% greener than the previous 20 years. The article explains:

The world is literally a greener place than it was 20 years ago, and data from NASA satellites has revealed a counterintuitive source for much of this new foliage: China and India. A new study shows that the two emerging countries with the world’s biggest populations are leading the increase in greening on land. The effect stems mainly from ambitious tree planting programs in China and intensive agriculture in both countries.

So the greening is the result of tree planting and agriculture. I find this an interesting coincidence because today happens to be Arbor Day.

JimR-OCDS · 2025-04-25T08:34:48-0500

sanderabeer said:
I perform a quick fact check. The likely source for spreading the "20% greener" claim is Jordan Peterson. He posted the claim on X last year, but he does not cite a source. (The linked NY Times article does not mention the greening.)

I did find a report from NASA in 2019 which supports the idea of "greening." It says the Earth is 5% greener than the previous 20 years. The article explains:

sanderabeer said:
So the greening is the result of tree planting and agriculture. I find this an interesting coincidence because today happens to be Arbor Day.

Actually, it wasn't Jordan Peterson who originally reported it, but NASA. Jordan Peterson is whom I heard it from, so I googled it
to verify if his claim was credible or not. It was!

NASA Says Earth Is Greener Today Than 20 Years Ago Thanks To China, India

NASA has some good news, the world is a greener place today than it was 20 years ago. What prompted the change? Well, it appears China and India can take the majority of the credit.

www.forbes.com

and;

The Earth is getting greener. Hurray?

Humans are literally changing the color of the planet. Scientists are worried.

www.vox.com

so this is a bad thing only because it doesn't fit the government narrative back when Biden was president. That has changed now,
scientist aren't being threatened with the government withholding research grants if they don't speak the government line.

ozso · 2025-04-25T08:40:57-0500

I'm wondering how worked up one should get over something a minor politician said. Also comparing what that guy said to it being said the climate crisis is due to cow farts.

sanderabeer · 2025-04-25T09:06:13-0500

JimR-OCDS said:
Actually, it wasn't Jordan Peterson who originally reported it, but NASA. Jordan Peterson is whom I heard it from, so I googled it
to verify if his claim was credible or not. It was!

I referenced and linked to a NASA report. It's the same report which your two sources are reporting on.

I wrote:

sanderabeer said:
I did find a report from NASA in 2019 which supports the idea of "greening." It says the Earth is 5% greener than the previous 20 years.

The Earth is not 20% greener as reported by Peterson. It is 5% greener.

The Earth is not greener because "plants love carbon." The Earth is greener because China and India are engaged in massive tree planting initiatives and agriculture.

The Barbarian · 2025-04-25T09:17:26-0500

Less Nutritious Crops: Another Result of Rising CO2

Rising carbon levels are eroding nutritional values of staple crops, threatening millions with hidden hunger.

JimR-OCDS said:
This is fallacy!

It's a fact. Not just one study. Many studies.

JimR-OCDS said:
Crops don't care where the carbon comes from.

It's not the origin of carbon, it's the amount of carbon dioxide. Higher carbon dioxide levels mean lower nutritional level. Not debatable.

Elevated Carbon Dioxide Level Suppresses Nutritional Quality of Lettuce and Spinach

Discover the detrimental effects of rising CO2 levels on lettuce and spinach. Reduced nutrients, decreased nitrogen concentration, and impaired photosynthetic activity. Explore the impact on nutritional quality of leafy greens.

www.scirp.org

https://www.mdpi.com/2223-7747/11/7/1000?trk=public_post-text

Plant nutrient acquisition and utilisation in a high carbon dioxide world

Producing enough food to meet the needs of an increasing global population is one of the greatest challenges we currently face. The issue of food security is further complicated by impacts of elevated CO2 and climate change. In this viewpoint article, we begin to explore the impacts of elevated...

www.publish.csiro.au

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1399-3054.1992.tb01327.x

Lots more like that.

JimR-OCDS said:
The best thing we can do for poor nations is make energy cheaper for them. Green energy is
expensive

That's wrong, too.

Wind energy has been the cheapest source of new electricity in the U.S. for about a decade, according to the Lazard financial services company’s annual levelized cost of energy report.

sanderabeer · 2025-04-25T09:22:34-0500

JimR-OCDS said:
This is fallacy!

Crops don't care where the carbon comes from. They'll use what's available for them.

You should at least read some of the abstract from one of the research papers referenced in the article.

Elevated atmospheric CO2 (eCO2) enhances the yield of vegetables and could also affect their nutritional quality. We conducted a meta-analysis using 57 articles consisting of 1,015 observations and found that eCO2 increased the concentrations of fructose, glucose, total soluble sugar, total antioxidant capacity, total phenols, total flavonoids, ascorbic acid, and calcium in the edible part of vegetables by 14.2%, 13.2%, 17.5%, 59.0%, 8.9%, 45.5%, 9.5%, and 8.2%, respectively, but decreased the concentrations of protein, nitrate, magnesium, iron, and zinc by 9.5%, 18.0%, 9.2%, 16.0%, and 9.4%.

As atmospheric CO2 levels increase, there is a decrease in concentrations of certain nutrients.

JimR-OCDS said:
Farmers can do grow foods that are nutritious. Scientists like Dr Patrick Moore says that
anti-climate groups are doing more harm than good and often lying about what is
taking place.

How do we know Dr. Patrick Moore isn't lying?

JimR-OCDS said:
The best thing we can do for poor nations is make energy cheaper for them. Green energy is
expensive and forcing poorer nations to stop using fossil fuels only keeps them poor.

Poor nations disagree. They would rather "skip" fossil fuels and go straight to renewables. From the article:

As the world's leading superpowers struggle to make the transition from fossil-based energy systems to more sustainable options, 47 of the world's poorest nations have pledged to skip fossil fuels altogether and jump straight to using 100 percent renewable energy instead.

The ambitious goal was laid out by members of the Climate Vulnerable Forum (CVF) during the final day of the UN Climate Change Conference in Morocco last week, which discussed ways for countries to hit the targets set by the Paris Agreement late last year.

The idea, in a nutshell, is to have some of the world's poorest countries skip from pre-industrialisation practices to renewables, allowing them to basically avoid the 'messy part' in the middle where a need for more energy to support economic growth spurs fossil fuel use to dangerously high levels.

In economics, this sort of skipping is known as 'leapfrogging' and it occurs when a society skips a step of development that other countries have taken.

The poorest nations are learning from the mistakes of the richest nations.

JimR-OCDS · 2025-04-25T09:27:35-0500

sanderabeer said:
I referenced and linked to a NASA report. It's the same report which your two sources are reporting on.

I wrote:

The Earth is not 20% greener as reported by Peterson. It is 5% greener.

The Earth is not greener because "plants love carbon." The Earth is greener because China and India are engaged in massive tree planting initiatives and agriculture.

The 20% greener was my mistake. 20 is the years the study was made.
Yes, it's 5% greener.

So what? Is that a bad thing?

Carbon isn't the problem as people think.
Here's a video with Dr Patrick Moore. I'm sure
there is disagreement, but I happen to agree with
him.

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