Trump voters, are you happy now?

SimplyMe · Apr 14, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Do I have evidence? Yes! Am I going to waste my time regurgitating it to you? No! Just Google it. Because it doesn't matter what "evidence" I provide. It will not dissuade you from your ideology.

Oompa Loompa said:
See. Already dismissing before I even provided anything.

Oompa Loompa said:
And I still am not. When has that pesky little thing called "evidence" ever convinced anyone of anything on this forum? Frankly, I have yet to hear a single person ever once admit they were wrong about their arguments. People don't want evidence, they want excuses to argue.

As this chain of posts shows, you weren't going to provide the "evidence." That is also discounting that I'm showing the official government records that show the money was authorized by the State Department, not from USAID.

Though I do suppose you "proved" your last post, even if just anecdotally, where you have been provided the evidence that those funds were not from or authorized by USAID but you refuse to admit you were wrong.

doubtingmerle · Apr 14, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Frankly, I have yet to hear a single person ever once admit they were wrong about their arguments.

Well then, let me be the first person you ever met that admitted he was wrong in his arguments on a forum such as this.

I was once a Young Earth Creationist. But I now admit that I was wrong in my arguments.

Oompa Loompa said:
People don't want evidence, they want excuses to argue.

I, for one, want evidence.

When I argued for creation, I met with scientists who presented evidence for evolution. That is what I wanted: a discussion of evidence. Because, obviously, anybody who looked at the evidence seriously would find that evolution was bonkers, yes?

No. When I looked at the evidence, I found that evolution is the only reasonable explanation for how we got here.

So, I changed my mind.

But enough about me. If you can show no convincing evidence for your assertion that USAID paid for gay plays in Ireland, then I will ignore said assertion.

Say it aint so · Apr 14, 2025

doubtingmerle said:
Well then, let me be the first person you ever met that admitted he was wrong in his arguments on a forum such as this.

I was once a Young Earth Creationist. But I now admit that I was wrong in my arguments.

I, for one, want evidence.

When I argued for creation, I met with scientists who presented evidence for evolution. That is what I wanted: a discussion of evidence. Because, obviously, anybody who looked at the evidence seriously would find that evolution was bonkers, yes?

No. When I looked at the evidence, I found that evolution is the only reasonable explanation for how we got here.

So, I changed my mind.

But enough about me. If you can show no convincing evidence for your assertion that USAID paid for gay plays in Ireland, then I will ignore said assertion.

Good luck with that.

doubtingmerle · Apr 14, 2025

Lukaris said:
I don’t believe Doge has had any impact in relation to ongoing problems with humanitarian aid.

DOGGIE (Department of Gross Government In-Efficiency) has largely dismantled most of the humanitarian aid by USAID.

For instance:

A 'death sentence for millions' as US cuts more aid

USAID worker fears damage

I Am A USAID Worker Who Lost My Job. Here's What Trump And Musk Aren't Telling You About The Cuts.

How USAID cuts impact Myanmar earthquake relief

Bad DOGGIE!

If you were convinced that all this humanitarian aid was largely dismantled, would you be upset?

Aryeh Jay · Apr 14, 2025

The last thing I want is some poor brown kids eating food I paid for so they can come over here later and steal my job and take over the trailer park HOA.

DavidTheGnome · Apr 14, 2025

doubtingmerle said:
We can't know for sure what would have happened if Harris won, but my best guess is that it would have been close to the trajectory we were on when Biden finished his term.

Question. Do you think the change in trajectory of the United States since Trump's inauguration has been good or bad?

Right now, I'm not liking these tariffs, nor Trump's idea to rename the Gulf of Mexico, nor his treatment of Zelensky, but I like his opposition against allowing transgender dudes to compete in women's sports and his opposition against illegal immigrants.
I was tired of how Biden was doing things, and was afraid Harris might be even worse.

Lukaris · Apr 14, 2025

doubtingmerle said:
DOGGIE (Department of Gross Government In-Efficiency) has largely dismantled most of the humanitarian aid by USAID.

For instance:

A 'death sentence for millions' as US cuts more aid
USAID worker fears damage
I Am A USAID Worker Who Lost My Job. Here's What Trump And Musk Aren't Telling You About The Cuts.
How USAID cuts impact Myanmar earthquake relief
Bad DOGGIE!

If you were convinced that all this humanitarian aid was largely dismantled, would you be upset?

Where Is the United States? An Earthquake in Myanmar Is the First Test of President Trump’s Emergency Aid Cuts

A 7.7 magnitude-earthquake in Myanmar is the first major disaster since the U.S. foreign aid cuts. This article unpacks the past, present, and future of U.S. disaster response capabilities.

www.csis.org

However, already in the early stages of earthquake response, Myanmar’s military government has blocked aid workers’ access, likely contributing to loss of life. They are directing aid to areas under military control, not the areas in greatest need, which are under the control of the National Unity Government, Myanmar’s government in exile. The military also shot at a convoy of nine Chinese Red Crescent vehicles carrying relief supplies, later stating these were “warning shots” because the Red Crescent had not notified the junta of its travel plans.

Later add:

Problems with US policy in Myanmar prior to the earthquake and doge. It is too easy to just pin everything on doge however good or bad doge may be.

Biden’s Flawed Myanmar Policy | by Brahma Chellaney - Project Syndicate

Brahma Chellaney thinks America’s uncompromisingly punitive approach to the country’s military junta is counterproductive.

www.project-syndicate.org

From the link:

US aid to armed groups around the world has often fueled disorder and suffering, undercutting the quest for democracy. Judging by Myanmar’s deteriorating humanitarian situation, it seems that this may well be happening again. And Myanmar’s neighbors are being affected in much the same way the US would be affected if faraway powers sought to punish Mexico and aid rebel groups there. Yet, far from letting the neighboring countries take the lead in setting policy toward Myanmar, the Biden administration has insisted they toe the US line.

America’s uncompromisingly punitive approach to Myanmar’s military junta has hopelessly divided the ten-country Association of Southeast Asian Nations, preventing it from playing a constructive role in the conflict. Paradoxically, the US has sought to co-opt ASEAN to promote democracy in Myanmar, even though the majority of the group’s members remain under authoritarian rule.

KCfromNC · Apr 14, 2025

RileyG said:
He’s keeping his promises.

I always enjoy when I post facts and get a canned empty talking point in return. Bonus amusement when the talking point doesn't even apply the facts presented. In this case, the facts were that other countries are working to trade among themselves now that the US is seen as unreliable due to the nature of their leadership.

The claim that this was a stated policy goal of candidate Trump is pretty laughable. Makes it even harder than normal to take these sorts of posts seriously.

RileyG said:
Get over it.

Aren't there rules here about addressing the post rather than the poster?

KCfromNC · Apr 14, 2025

rjs330 said:
Funny you weren't worried about economic stability during Bidenflation.

Which post are you paraphrasing here? Can you link to it so people don't think you're just making up nonsense to try and distract from the lack of facts supporting the right wing view of Trump's current problems?

KCfromNC · Apr 14, 2025

RileyG said:
Collectively, Trump won. He's just doing what he promised.

Yay! Lower grocery prices for everyone on day 1!

doubtingmerle · Apr 14, 2025

DavidTheGnome said:
Right now, I'm not liking these tariffs, nor Trump's idea to rename the Gulf of Mexico, nor his treatment of Zelensky,

We agree.

DavidTheGnome said:
but I like his opposition against allowing transgender dudes to compete in women's sports

Why is transexuals in sports an important issue with you? Where do you want transgenders women to play in high school sports? In high school, playing on the woman's teams seems like the most practical solution.

Someone might ask me about a boy who would change sex just so he can play on the women's teams. Be serious. I doubt if any boy would ever go through a grueling 2-year sex transition just so that he could have a better sports record in high school.

But what about transexuals dominating women's high school sports? There is scant evidence that this happens to any significant extent. Even if transexuals have a slight advantage, why is that a big deal?

On a professional sports level, yes, there are thorny issues of who qualifies for woman's sports, but at a local level, who cares?

See

.

I think much of the furor over transexual issues has more to do with an irrational hatred of transexuals instead of any real need for changes in laws.

DavidTheGnome said:
and his opposition against illegal immigrants.

It's hard to find any data on what actually changed this year. But, "news organizations reveal embarrassing and concerning revelations about who has been targeted for deportations and detentions." (source: Trump’s harshest agenda item is also his most popular) The only substantial difference I see with Trump is the exporting of people to third world jails without due process, many of whom appear to be innocent.

And remember, Biden wanted to have stronger borders, but Trump talked congress out of giving him the funding he needed to do this.

Think about it, but it is hard to see how these two issues can override all the damage that Trump has done.

Oompa Loompa · Apr 14, 2025

KCfromNC said:
Yay! Lower grocery prices for everyone on day 1!

Citation please.

Oompa Loompa · Apr 14, 2025

DavidTheGnome said:
Right now, I'm not liking these tariffs, nor Trump's idea to rename the Gulf of Mexico, nor his treatment of Zelensky, but I like his opposition against allowing transgender dudes to compete in women's sports and his opposition against illegal immigrants.
I was tired of how Biden was doing things, and was afraid Harris might be even worse.

doubtingmerle said:
Why is transexuals in sports an important issue with you?

This is why I don't even bother with these liberals anymore. Always trying to find a reason to argue regardless if it is on topic or not.

Aryeh Jay · Apr 14, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Citation please.

Owning the liberals with that one. Good luck on them findings hundreds of references of Trump saying that because he didn't.

rjs330 · Apr 14, 2025

doubtingmerle said:
The executive branch cannot take money that was specifically allocated to USAID for a specific function and use if for a different department for a different function.

I don't really understand why you felt the need to say this. I've never claimed they could. My explanation was pretty clear that I didn't think they could.

RileyG · Apr 14, 2025

KCfromNC said:
I always enjoy when I post facts and get a canned empty talking point in return. Bonus amusement when the talking point doesn't even apply the facts presented. In this case, the facts were that other countries are working to trade among themselves now that the US is seen as unreliable due to the nature of their leadership.

The claim that this was a stated policy goal of candidate Trump is pretty laughable. Makes it even harder than normal to take these sorts of posts seriously.

Aren't there rules here about addressing the post rather than the poster?

Last time I checked, the American people voted for Trump and this is what we collectively got. Too bad there wasn’t a better alternative.

RileyG · Apr 14, 2025

KCfromNC said:
I always enjoy when I post facts and get a canned empty talking point in return. Bonus amusement when the talking point doesn't even apply the facts presented. In this case, the facts were that other countries are working to trade among themselves now that the US is seen as unreliable due to the nature of their leadership.

The claim that this was a stated policy goal of candidate Trump is pretty laughable. Makes it even harder than normal to take these sorts of posts seriously.

Aren't there rules here about addressing the post rather than the poster?

Still better than the alternative. It’s too bad there wasn’t a better candidate, but it is what it is.

And yes, I did address the post. Do NOT point fingers at me.

GoldenBoy89 · Apr 14, 2025

RileyG said:
Still better than the alternative.

How do you know this?

rjs330 · Apr 14, 2025

doubtingmerle said:
You said, "It's time for other countries to help pay for their own stuff and give a little back for all we've provided to our own detriment." That implies that those other countries are not helping to pay for their own stuff.

Did you write that by mistake?

Nope and I clarified what I meant. Did you miss it?

doubtingmerle said:
And why is it to our detriment that we feed starving children? The fact that we do that not only helps starving children, but helps America keep its status in the world.

When we feed children, that is not to our detriment. Understand?

Ove already clarified more than once what i was referring too, and it had nothing to do with starving children. Understand?

doubtingmerle said:
Since you are strongly in favor of oversight of functions like USAID, are you upset that Trump fired him?

No because he missed an awful lot of waste from tge previous administration. He apparently was very bad at his job.

doubtingmerle said:
We have laws that deal with fraud, waste and abuse. When it is found, government deals with it (or at least it used to).

If millions of starving children are being fed, and a corrupt payment is also found, then, if at all possible, weed out the corrupt payments and keep on feeding the starving children in a way that is consistent with the spending authorization in that bill. Yes?

NGOs typically do not get the scrutiny. Money is funneled through a government agency and to the NGO. The NGO then funnels the money to other things. So the issue here is USAID gave money to NGOS who are wasting the money and USAID has not held them accountable. Probably becauae rhey are fine with the transgender surgeries, circumcisions and Sesame Street.

ozso · Apr 14, 2025

doubtingmerle said:
We agree.

Why is transexuals in sports an important issue with you? Where do you want transgenders women to play in high school sports? In high school, playing on the woman's teams seems like the most practical solution.

Someone might ask me about a boy who would change sex just so he can play on the women's teams. Be serious. I doubt if any boy would ever go through a grueling 2-year sex transition just so that he could have a better sports record in high school.

We've seen examples across the board of where all a male has to do is claim to identify as female.

doubtingmerle said:
But what about transexuals dominating women's high school sports? There is scant evidence that this happens to any significant extent. Even if transexuals have a slight advantage, why is that a big deal?

On a professional sports level, yes, there are thorny issues of who qualifies for woman's sports, but at a local level, who cares?

See

.

I think much of the furor over transexual issues has more to do with an irrational hatred of transexuals instead of any real need for changes in laws.

Top female athletes have testified that even males who are mediocre athletes have a distinct advantage over them.

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