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Will the mills come home?

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According to Jim Cramer, "If the mills come back they'll be staffed by robots."
275,000 layoffs this month.
Any silver lining?
Hmm. 49.9% of Americans will have lots of time to ponder their voting mistakes and repent.
 

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According to Jim Cramer, "If the mills come back they'll be staffed by robots."
275,000 layoffs this month.
Any silver lining?
Hmm. 49.9% of Americans will have lots of time to ponder their voting mistakes and repent.
Who will make and maintain the robots?
 
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Who will make and maintain the robots?
Skilled journeymen and engineers. Given what the Trump administration is trying to do to our educational system, probably foreigners.
 
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According to Jim Cramer, "If the mills come back they'll be staffed by robots."
275,000 layoffs this month.
Any silver lining?
Hmm. 49.9% of Americans will have lots of time to ponder their voting mistakes and repent.
A link would be beneficial. Any chance of you providing one?

What mill has had 275,000 layoffs?
 
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According to Jim Cramer, "If the mills come back they'll be staffed by robots."
275,000 layoffs this month.
Any silver lining?
Hmm. 49.9% of Americans will have lots of time to ponder their voting mistakes and repent.
repent of what? What did Trump voters do that was so awful? People lose their jobs when they are not needed wheb there are too many hads in the pot as it were.
 
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repent of what? What did Trump voters do that was so awful? People lose their jobs when they are not needed wheb there are too many hads in the pot as it were.
There was no rationality in the layoffs, and many were essential workers. And when the tariffs hit, along with the recession, people will lose jobs because everyone is tightening their belts.
As I said, look around you and see the awful things that have happened--so far. Retirement accounts have gone down 10, maybe even 15-20% after today. Because of Trump's actions. 100%.
 
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There was no rationality in the layoffs, and many were essential workers. And when the tariffs hit, along with the recession, people will lose jobs because everyone is tightening their belts.
As I said, look around you and see the awful things that have happened--so far. Retirement accounts have gone down 10, maybe even 15-20% after today. Because of Trump's actions. 100%.
If we do not need those workers in that feild there is no need to have them.
 
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If Trump's damaging the economy that badly, then hopefully some centrist democrats pop up and enter the fray in 2028 so they can actually win.

It looks like Newsom is pushing back in the right direction on the social issues, so maybe he'll be a good "Democratic product offering" in 3 years. All the labor-centric economic perks the democrats have become known for, but without all the social baggage that turned a lot of people off...with the added benefits of recently coming around on acknowledging how much regulation is too much.

He's been having some interesting conversations with Ezra Klein recently.

Maybe Ezra can talk some sense into him and a few others

 
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If we do not need those workers in that feild there is no need to have them.

We need FEMA. The Dept of Education. Certainly our CDC.
If block grants are sent to the states one catastrophic weather event will bankrupt vulnerable states. Education? Our stats are bad now so how will ending student loans, Title I and disability services help that? Welcome to the third world.
And the CDC.
We just started Smoot Hawley the sequel. An RFK, Jr. orchestrated pandemic would do us in.
You think we don't need these things...
When unemployment is 10%, there is a ripple effect. You could be a ripple?
You'll be singing Connie Francis' "Who's Sorry Now?"
 
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We need FEMA. The Dept of Education. Certainly our CDC.
"Need" for agency isn't an on/off switch, it's a dimmer switch.

We may need some level of presence, but that doesn't mean we "need" absolutely everything they do in all of the areas they've been getting involved in.

For example, we need a centralized agency of some sort that can manage disease outbreaks. But we don't need one so big & powerful that it has the ability to issue sweeping eviction moratoriums.

Education? Our stats are bad now so how will ending student loans, Title I and disability services help that? Welcome to the third world.

Is there an option or alternative where we can keep the disability assistance, but scrap the things thing like certain grants and college loan facilitations that are doing nothing more than creating upward pricing pressure for college degrees...and, might I add, degrees that are increasingly losing their market value in relation to the cost?


With regards to a lot of these agencies, it's similar to a person who doesn't want to have to downgrade from a Bentley to a Toyota, and responds to request with "You're making me get rid of my car??? That's not fair!, I've got to have a method of transportation!" (when in reality, they're really upset about losing all of the fancy bells and whistles that were extraneous features to the actual practical transportation... the Toyota could get them to work and to the store just as well as the luxury car)

The reality is, most of these agencies have been solid allies of the democratic party, and democrats like having the "Bentley version" of these departments, not because of how well they can serve the stated functions, but precisely because of all the "extras" they can do with them (outside of the primary stated mission) that they wouldn't be able to do with a "Toyota" version.
 
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"Need" for agency isn't an on/off switch, it's a dimmer switch.

We may need some level of presence, but that doesn't mean we "need" absolutely everything they do in all of the areas they've been getting involved in.

For example, we need a centralized agency of some sort that can manage disease outbreaks. But we don't need one so big & powerful that it has the ability to issue sweeping eviction moratoriums.



Is there an option or alternative where we can keep the disability assistance, but scrap the things thing like certain grants and college loan facilitations that are doing nothing more than creating upward pricing pressure for college degrees...and, might I add, degrees that are increasingly losing their market value in relation to the cost?


With regards to a lot of these agencies, it's similar to a person who doesn't want to have to downgrade from a Bentley to a Toyota, and responds to request with "You're making me get rid of my car??? That's not fair!, I've got to have a method of transportation!" (when in reality, they're really upset about losing all of the fancy bells and whistles that were extraneous features to the actual practical transportation... the Toyota could get them to work and to the store just as well as the luxury car)

The reality is, most of these agencies have been solid allies of the democratic party, and democrats like having the "Bentley version" of these departments, not because of how well they can serve the stated functions, but precisely because of all the "extras" they can do with them (outside of the primary stated mission) that they wouldn't be able to do with a "Toyota" version.
Or maybe...it's because America is in a FAAAAAR worse state than many of you realize.

There is this insinuation that because agencies that help people are "solid allies of tghe democratic party", then the REASON why democrats keep bloating them up is because it buys them votes.

You never really consider the possibility that the need is ACTUALLY there, do you? Like the bloviating and bluster complaints around these agencies; There is NO possibility that others in America are suffering that deeply. The problem is Democrats and their willingness to create big government.


I have NEVER Seen a democrat on here saying "a scalpel could be used to trim these departments". Yet I have seen centrists and supporters say "they need to be gone".

And all I can think is that you guys want them gone so that your tax bill goes down. I don't believe for a second you ACTUALLY want people to suffer. Sure, starving children in Africa don't deserve American support. Fine. But I do think you would agree that AMERICAN children don't deserve to be food insecure; You're only the richest country to have ever existed.
And the ONLY possible benefit that a Trump supporter would get from that is a smaller tax bill. That would be the ONLY benefit. Like, I can't imagine they'd feel schaudenfreude over something so serious as that; is there some other possible benefit that I can't see?


I have not seen ANY analysis of Trump's plan that shows anything but MASSIVE taxbreaks for the 1% and INCREASES for anyone under 300Gs. So any kind of "it's all about saving taxes", that's just hilarious at this point.

As if Trump is going to help the working class. LOL!
 
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Or maybe...it's because America is in a FAAAAAR worse state than many of you realize.

There is this insinuation that because agencies that help people are "solid allies of tghe democratic party", then the REASON why democrats keep bloating them up is because it buys them votes.
Actually, no, I don't think they're keeping them bloated and stocked with allies to buy them votes. (some may think that, but that's not my take on it)

I think they're there as a way to usurp and hamstring administrations of the opposing team in the instances that they don't win.

They don't even hide the ball on that. Here's excerpts from 3 non-conservative sources.

There’s another level of resistance to the new president that is less visible and potentially more troublesome to the administration: a growing wave of opposition from the federal workers charged with implementing any new president’s agenda.

Less than two weeks into Trump’s administration, federal workers are in regular consultation with recently departed Obama-era political appointees about what they can do to push back against the new president’s initiatives. Some federal employees have set up social media accounts to anonymously leak word of changes that Trump appointees are trying to make.

Similarly, a Twitter account protesting Trump’s policies has popped up in the Defense Department. Using the handle @Rogue_DoD, a service member has tweeted everything from Defense Department documents warning about the effects of climate change to an opinion piece accusing Trump of insufficient consultation with Defense Secretary Jim Mattis.

Career staff members in at least five departments said they are staying in close contact with Obama administration officials to get advice on how to handle Trump initiatives.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...5b110e-e7cb-11e6-b82f-687d6e6a3e7c_story.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/wor...rump-calls-to-australia-mexico-idUSKBN15J00W/

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/federal-workers-signal-app-234510

That's right from WaPo, Reuters, and Politico.


You never really consider the possibility that the need is ACTUALLY there, do you? Like the bloviating and bluster complaints around these agencies; There is NO possibility that others in America are suffering that deeply. The problem is Democrats and their willingness to create big government.
I acknowledged that there are needs.

For instance, we have a need for the EPA.

What we don't need, is for the EPA be used as a slush fund to shovel $2 billion dollars out the door to NGOs like "Inclusiv" (primarily a social justice organization focused on promoted equity in lending practices) to distribute over the next 3 years.

Ties in with what I mentioned before, the bloated bureaucracy isn't there to "buy votes", they're there as a hedge to make sure democrats still get their way even when they lose.


Imagine the roles were reversed on that. Pretend the Bureaucracy was 75% republican instead of democrat.

A democratic candidate who ran on the promise reigning in the US's gun problem by reducing the numbers of guns on the streets just won. The outgoing administration instructs the SBA to hurry up and get $2 billion out the door before they leave in the form of giving it to a pro-gun NGO who's been instructed to give that money out to people who want to open new gun stores over the subsequent 3 years after the current republican administration leaves office.

What would be your analysis of that? Because that's a perfect apples to apples comparison to what goes on today in the other direction.

To me? That would seem like republicans rigging the game so that even if they lost, they still got their way on the gun issue, wouldn't you agree?

I have NEVER Seen a democrat on here saying "a scalpel could be used to trim these departments". Yet I have seen centrists and supporters say "they need to be gone".
It's not surprising that you've never seen a democrat suggest that, because often times, even the scalpel is considered "too much", the slightest little proposed cuts are often met with what's known as "Washington Monument Syndrome".
And all I can think is that you guys want them gone so that your tax bill goes down. I don't believe for a second you ACTUALLY want people to suffer. Sure, starving children in Africa don't deserve American support. Fine. But I do think you would agree that AMERICAN children don't deserve to be food insecure; You're only the richest country to have ever existed.
And the ONLY possible benefit that a Trump supporter would get from that is a smaller tax bill. That would be the ONLY benefit. Like, I can't imagine they'd feel schaudenfreude over something so serious as that; is there some other possible benefit that I can't see?
I actually don't care that much about my personal tax rate.

As a person in a DINK situation (Dual Income No Kids), I've made peace with the fact that no matter who's in office, I get bent over the barrel at tax time.

I care more about not having a phony 4th branch of government that's influential enough, that they can act as a "check" on the 3 actual branches. (and who up until now, have been virtually fire-proof)


Pretend me and my IT buddies were government employees, and a president had an initiative that would involve effort from our department, and we don't philosophically agree with it.

"Aw, gee whiz, y'know what, I just can't figure this problem out" and "whoops, would you look at that, I messed up the code on that, so it didn't work" and "I can try making a change to fix it, but that'll take me another 4 weeks, and would you look at that, we're busy with other stuff, so I'll put a meeting on the calendar to talk about it in mid-August"

"what's that, you want to fire me because you think a competent developer could have that done in 2 weeks?...well, my union rep who's also on our side says otherwise, so talk to them"


You'd undoubtedly see that as a problem, right?
 
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I think a president has a responsibility to choose cabinet members who have the experience and background and willingness to learn to be effective.
Last week, we saw incompetent Cabinet members put the lives of our Air Force pilots at risk. We saw Waltz used Gmail for govt business as well as Signal. With that kind of security, our enemies could easily hack in.
This president is not like other presidents. His staff are not like other leaders.
His demands don't have a foundation in the good of our nation.
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A link would be beneficial. Any chance of you providing one?

What mill has had 275,000 layoffs?
It seems you missed the above request -
I think a president has a responsibility to choose cabinet members who have the experience and background and willingness to learn to be effective.
Last week, we saw incompetent Cabinet members put the lives of our Air Force pilots at risk. We saw Waltz used Gmail for govt business as well as Signal. With that kind of security, our enemies could easily hack in.
This president is not like other presidents. His staff are not like other leaders.
His demands don't have a foundation in the good of our nation.
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any chance of getting it?
 
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