Seven headed beast

tailgator · Mar 27, 2025

Revelation 12
12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

What was the name of that Jewish king who sought to kill Jesus soon as he was born?
Anyone know who that beast of a man was?

Hazelelponi · Mar 27, 2025

Herod.

Douggg · Mar 27, 2025

tailgator said:
What was the name of that Jewish king who sought to kill Jesus soon as he was born?
Anyone know who that beast of a man was?

The great red dragon represents Satan.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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Herod sought to have Jesus killed when Herod found out the wise men who were following the star, said in Matthew 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Herod, an appointee by the Romans, was threatened that he would be replaced by Christ, the prophesied king of Israel messiah. So Herod sought to have Jesus killed, by issuing an order to kill all the newborn in Bethlehem 2 years old and under (Matthew 2:16).

But before that order took place, in Matthew 2:13, the angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, to take Jesus and Mary to Egypt.

The entire account is in Matthew 2.

tailgator · Mar 27, 2025

Yes,it was Herod of Jerusalem and it's seven hills who sought to kill Jesus as soon as he was born.

Not Caesar
Not Russia.
Not Europe
Not the US

It was the Jewish king ruling from Jerusalem.

d taylor · Mar 27, 2025

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Verse 3 is speaking of The Man of Sin, who is satans man who will rule the world.
Verse 5 is speaking about Jesus.

bniffty24 · Mar 27, 2025

tailgator said:
and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

SATAN Prince of the power of the air.
I have always been a bit sus on that star , it knows where Jesus is living because it leads the wise men to him after they leave Herod.

So why doesn't it show up and lead them to Jesus before they enter Jerusalem thus saving Herod finding out and saving the lives of innocent children from being murdered.

tailgator · Mar 28, 2025

bniffty24 said:
SATAN Prince of the power of the air.
I have always been a bit sus on that star , it knows where Jesus is living because it leads the wise men to him after they leave Herod.

So why doesn't it show up and lead them to Jesus before they enter Jerusalem thus saving Herod finding out and saving the lives of innocent children from being murdered.

They went to Jerusalem to ask where the king of the Jews is.

Mathew 2
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

I'd say the wise men would not have known Herod the beast would have sought to kill the child as soon as he was born..
Really,How many people actually recognize the Jewish leader as being such a beast?

Would you think Herod or netanyahu for that matter could do something unimaginable like that?

David Lamb · Mar 28, 2025

bniffty24 said:
SATAN Prince of the power of the air.
I have always been a bit sus on that star , it knows where Jesus is living because it leads the wise men to him after they leave Herod.

So why doesn't it show up and lead them to Jesus before they enter Jerusalem thus saving Herod finding out and saving the lives of innocent children from being murdered.

If you read the biblical account in Matthew 2, it doesn't say that the star guided the wise men all the way from their home in the East. That's why they say to Herod, "We have seen His star in the East," not "We have followed His star from the East." Then we read:

“When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was.” (Mt 2:9 NKJV)

As to the question of why God didn't cause the star to lead them all the way to Bethlehem, we are not told, but we do know that it wasn't some sudden decision on God's part, because in the Old Testament the death of the baby boys, and the fact that the young Jesus would be taken to Egypt, were both prophesied.

bniffty24 · Mar 28, 2025

David Lamb said:
As to the question of why God didn't cause the star to lead them all the way to Bethlehem, we are not told

Probably because Jesus was no longer in Bethlehem because it was two yrs later.
The nativity scene should be showing the jewish shepherds who were told to go see him by the Angel Gabriel.

Jesus was circumcised in jerusalem at 8 days old and it says they went back to their hometown of Nazareth.
And when the wise men are led to Jesus by that star , it says he is living in a house and not a barn as the false nativity scene we see today shows.

tailgator · Mar 28, 2025

bniffty24 said:
Probably because Jesus was no longer in Bethlehem because it was two yrs later.
The nativity scene should be showing the jewish shepherds who were told to go see him by the Angel Gabriel.

Jesus was circumcised in jerusalem at 8 days old and it says they went back to their hometown of Nazareth.
And when the wise men are led to Jesus by that star , it says he is living in a house and not a barn as the false nativity scene we see today shows.

Sounds like you are saying Mathew is a false narrative.

Luke said there were Shepard's who visited Jesus in bethlehem..Mathew said there were wise men who visited Jesus .You obviously don't believe a shepherd can be wise.

Herod sent to kill Jesus after he saw the wise men were not returning as he instructed them.This could have been two years.

By that time Jesus was in Egypt.
Luke also said they were in a stable.Not a house.
The Inn was full at the time of Jesus birth.

bniffty24 · Mar 28, 2025

tailgator said:
Sounds like you are saying Mathew is a false narrative.

Luke said there were Shepard's who visited Jesus in bethlehem..Mathew said there were wise men who visited Jesus .You obviously don't believe a shepherd can be wise.

Herod sent to kill Jesus after he saw the wise men were not returning as he instructed them.This could have been two years.

By that time Jesus was in Egypt.
Luke also said they were in a stable.Not a house.
The Inn was full at the time of Jesus birth.

The star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them. It finally stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they were filled with joy. 11 The Wise Men went to the house. There they saw the child with his mother Mary. They bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures. They gave him gold, frankincense and myrrh. 12 But God warned them in a dream not to go back to Herod. So they returned to their country on a different road.

They went to the "HOUSE" , not barn.
They saw the "CHILD" not baby.

God sends them a message in a dream not to go back to Herod , like I said earlier , if God sent that star then he should have sent them straight there instead of allowing Herod to know. He wouldn't have had to send any messages that way. From your perspective it looks like God is fighting against himself...( sad )

tailgator · Mar 28, 2025

bniffty24 said:
The star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them. It finally stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they were filled with joy. 11 The Wise Men went to the house. There they saw the child with his mother Mary. They bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures. They gave him gold, frankincense and myrrh. 12 But God warned them in a dream not to go back to Herod. So they returned to their country on a different road.

They went to the "HOUSE" , not barn.
They saw the "CHILD" not baby.

God sends them a message in a dream not to go back to Herod , like I said earlier , if God sent that star then he should have sent them straight there instead of allowing Herod to know. He wouldn't have had to send any messages that way. From your perspective it looks like God is fighting against himself...( sad )

A baby is a child.

Stop blaming God because the beast kills children.
The devil does not put stars in heaven.

Isaiah 40:26
Look up into the heavens. Who created all the stars? He brings them out like an army, one after another, calling each by its name. Because of his great power and incomparable strength, not a single one is missing.

bniffty24 · Mar 28, 2025

tailgator said:
A baby is a child.

Stop blaming God because the beast kills children.
The devil does not put stars in heaven.

Isaiah 40:26
Look up into the heavens. Who created all the stars? He brings them out like an army, one after another, calling each by its name. Because of his great power and incomparable strength, not a single one is missing.

tailgator · Mar 28, 2025

bniffty24 said:

A child in Mathew 2
An infant is refered to as a child

Word: paidion

Pronounce: pahee-dee'-on

Strongs Number: G3813

Orig: neuter diminutive of 3816; a childling (of either sex), i.e. (properly), an infant, or (by extension) a half-grown boy or girl; figuratively, an immature Christian:--(little, young) child, damsel. G3816

Use: TDNT-5:636,759 Noun Neuter

Heb Strong: H1060 H1121 H2945 H3126 H3126 H3206 H5288 H5650 H5764 H7356

1) a young child, a little boy, a little girl1a) infants1b) children, little ones1c) an infant1c1) of a (male) child just recently born1d) of a more advanced child; of a mature child;1e) metaph. children (like children) in intellectFor Synonyms see entry G5868 & G5943

bniffty24 · Mar 28, 2025

tailgator said:
A child in Mathew 2
An infant is refered to as a child

Word: paidion

Pronounce: pahee-dee'-on

Strongs Number: G3813

Orig: neuter diminutive of 3816; a childling (of either sex), i.e. (properly), an infant, or (by extension) a half-grown boy or girl; figuratively, an immature Christian:--(little, young) child, damsel. G3816

Use: TDNT-5:636,759 Noun Neuter

Heb Strong: H1060 H1121 H2945 H3126 H3126 H3206 H5288 H5650 H5764 H7356

1) a young child, a little boy, a little girl1a) infants1b) children, little ones1c) an infant1c1) of a (male) child just recently born1d) of a more advanced child; of a mature child;1e) metaph. children (like children) in intellectFor Synonyms see entry G5868 & G5943

You have totally ignored everything I wrote in previous posts.
Satan has got you where he wants you , remember , deception is his goal.

This is fake , he was 2 yrs old when they got to see him.

tailgator · Mar 28, 2025

bniffty24 said:
You have totally ignored everything I wrote in previous posts.
Satan has got you where he wants you , remember , deception is his goal.

This is fake , he was 2 yrs old when they got to see him.

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You miss the whole point of the thread.

Herod is the one who sought to kill the child
The beast with seven heads is in Jerusalem.Same place he was 2000 years ago .

He is killing children today even and no one cares .
Many in America support the beast because they believe the leader of the Jews is to be supported.They would have supported the beast 2000 years ago.

bniffty24 · Mar 28, 2025

tailgator said:
You miss the whole point of the thread.

Herod is the one who sought to kill the child
The beast with seven heads is in Jerusalem.Same place he was 2000 years ago .

He is killing children today even and no one cares .
Many in America support the beast because they believe the leader of the Jews is to be supported.They would have supported the beast 2000 years ago.

No I didn't miss the point . the dragon stood before the woman to kill her child , and i'm seeing that star as the tool Satan is using to get Herod to do his dirty work.

You have to look for the Dragon in the story , prince of the power of the air.
Herod was just a tool to be used.

tailgator · Mar 28, 2025

bniffty24 said:
No I didn't miss the point . the dragon stood before the woman to kill her child , and i'm seeing that star as the tool Satan is using to get Herod to do his dirty work.

You have to look for the Dragon in the story , prince of the power of the air.
Herod was just a tool to be used.

No,Herod is the beast and Jerusalem the seven hilled harlot.
He and his kingdom received a deadly wound in 70 AD
It wasn't the devil who received a deadly wound.
And that deadly wound was healed in 1948 and all the world was astonished .People from all nations people and tongues followed after the beast They literally moved to his kingdom and there they serve him and die for him.

They didn't follow after the devil.They followed after Herod's successor.

tailgator · Mar 28, 2025

Babylon will soon fall.Its king is terrified to lose power and is doing anything he can to remain king(as Herod).He has assembled a government full of antichrist that sit in the synagogue of Satan in Jerusalem contemplating new laws and how they may rule.

David Lamb · Mar 29, 2025

bniffty24 said:
Probably because Jesus was no longer in Bethlehem because it was two yrs later.
The nativity scene should be showing the jewish shepherds who were told to go see him by the Angel Gabriel.

Jesus was circumcised in jerusalem at 8 days old and it says they went back to their hometown of Nazareth.
And when the wise men are led to Jesus by that star , it says he is living in a house and not a barn as the false nativity scene we see today shows.

Not so. Yes it was around two years later than the birth, and Jesus was no longer in the manger. But Jesus, Mary and Joseph were still in Bethlehem:

“And he sent them to Bethlehem and said, "Go and search carefully for the young Child, and when you have found Him, bring back word to me, that I may come and worship Him also."” (Mt 2:8 NKJV)

Nazareth was some 70 miles from Bethlehem. If Jesus was indeed in Nazareth, they wouldn't ha ve found Him by going to Bethlehem. You say: "and it says they went back to their hometown of Nazareth." Yes it does, but that was after the wise men had visited, and Herod killed the boys 2 years old and under in Bethlehem (not Nazareth!), and Mary Joseph and Jesus had gone as refugees to Egypt:

“But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying, "Arise, take the young Child and His mother, and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the young Child’s life are dead." Then he arose, took the young Child and His mother, and came into the land of Israel. But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning over Judea instead of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. And being warned by God in a dream, he turned aside into the region of Galilee. And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, "He shall be called a Nazarene."” (Mt 2:19-23 NKJV)

I agree that when the wise men came to Bethlehem, Mary, Joseph and Jesus were living in a house.

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