On "Explanations" of the L.A. Wildfires

HarleyER · Jan 19, 2025

FireDragon76 said:
That's only a minor factor in explaining the fire's devastation. A few extra firetrucks would not have made much of a difference. This is about bigger systemic issues.

While I would agree that there are other systematic breakdowns, if you were to read the article, it isn't a "few extra firetrucks". Over HALF of LA firetrucks were waiting for repairs (all the while LA spent $1.7 million on DEI training (Woke L.A. Fire Department Blew Seven-Figure Sums on DEI Before Deadly Wildfires Ripped Apart Tens of Thousands of Lives) . But the lack of firetrucks is only part of the puzzle. They didn't clear away the brush, they have too few fire fighters, they emptied out or destroyed a number of reserviors or dams so there is little water to fight the fires, etc. And all of this in the name of saving the environment. And now their Tesla cars are smoldering creating a toxic nightmare.

It would be almost laughable if it wasn't so tragic.

And here's another piece of information I read yesterday, the power has been out for people who are near the fire zone for over a week because the power lines have been burnt up. A large percentage of people in these areas own EV cars and now have no way of charging them. So, essentially they are trapped unless someone goes in there and rescues them with gas power vehicles (that California would like to ban).

We'll see how well the EV dream plays out after this.

FireDragon76 · Jan 19, 2025

HarleyER said:
While I would agree that there are other systematic breakdowns, if you were to read the article, it isn't a "few extra firetrucks". Over HALF of LA firetrucks were waiting for repairs (all the while LA spent $1.7 million on DEI training (Woke L.A. Fire Department Blew Seven-Figure Sums on DEI Before Deadly Wildfires Ripped Apart Tens of Thousands of Lives) . But the lack of firetrucks is only part of the puzzle. They didn't clear away the brush, they have too few fire fighters, they emptied out or destroyed a number of reserviors or dams so there is little water to fight the fires, etc. And all of this in the name of saving the environment. And now their Tesla cars are smoldering creating a toxic nightmare.

It would be almost laughable if it wasn't so tragic.

And here's another piece of information I read yesterday, the power has been out for people who are near the fire zone for over a week because the power lines have been burnt up. A large percentage of people in these areas own EV cars and now have no way of charging them. So, essentially they are trapped unless someone goes in there and rescues them with gas power vehicles (that California would like to ban).

We'll see how well the EV dream plays out after this.

DEI policies had no impact on the fire response:

Debunking 5 claims about the California wildfires

As wildfires continue to spread in southern California, misinformation about the response to the fires have cropped up online. Here are 5 claims debunked.

abcnews.go.com

HarleyER · Jan 20, 2025

FireDragon76 said:
DEI policies had no impact on the fire response:

Debunking 5 claims about the California wildfires

As wildfires continue to spread in southern California, misinformation about the response to the fires have cropped up online. Here are 5 claims debunked.

abcnews.go.com

Spoken like a true Democrat.

Of course it does. Money use on DEI initiatives takes away funds from other initiatives, like fixing fire engines or repairing reserviors.

Ray Glenn · Jan 20, 2025

Stephen3141 said:
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/15/nx-s1-5256348/los-angeles-fires-safety-evacuation-improvement-preparation

There are real causes of the destructive nature of these Los angelesfires,
that are not the popular conspiracy theories.

One is that the state has allowed people to build houses in narrow canyons,
that have very narrow and winding roads. It is impossible to get large fire
trucks into many of these canyons. These areas could never have been
defended from wild fires.

Another problem is that many Los Angeles homes are built very closely
together. When homes are closer together than a viable fire break, then
these rows of houses will offer wild fires a road, right through the city.

These problems, which go back decades in the housing codes of Los
Angeles, have nothing to do with the current conspiracy theories that
supposedly explain the destructive nature of the current fires.

But you'll inject a feeble excuse of "Climate fraud' in a heartbeat.

FireDragon76 · Jan 20, 2025

HarleyER said:
Spoken like a true Democrat.

Politics has nothing to do with it.

HarleyER said:
Spoken like a true Democrat.

Of course it does. Money use on DEI initiatives takes away funds from other initiatives, like fixing fire engines or repairing reserviors.

The fire engines were out of comission for routine servicing of things like smog emission control devices, which is quite necessary to have in southern California, due to the unique climate and geography.

So it's an unfortunate set of circumstances, not the result of poor policies due to DEI.

johansen · Jan 20, 2025

FireDragon76 said:
Politics has nothing to do with it.

The fire engines were out of comission for routine servicing of things like smog emission control devices, which is quite necessary to have in southern California, due to the unique climate and geography.

So...

Clean diesel fire trucks is more important than putting out fires?

Look i get it. 90% of the diesel burned is idling, maintenance, and useless 911 calls where they send a fire truck out because an ambulance wasnt available...

But 250 billion dollars of damage. Which could double to 500 billion...

I would rather have sulphur in the air than the flame retardant in the ground water

Aaron112 · Jan 20, 2025

HarleyER said:
Christians shouldn't speculate, but we shouldn't be stupid either.

Notice the long buildup to the conditions being so much worse ?
Perhaps 'the best laid plans of mice and men'? The fires were known to be coming, and some people got a lot more money (and power) by 'planning' the circumstances ahead of time, just like all the wars?

FireDragon76 · Jan 22, 2025

Aaron112 said:
Notice the long buildup to the conditions being so much worse ?
Perhaps 'the best laid plans of mice and men'? The fires were known to be coming, and some people got a lot more money (and power) by 'planning' the circumstances ahead of time, just like all the wars?

It's a systemic failure related to Climate Change.

Similar disasters have happened in other parts of the country. Of course it exposes the weaknesses of our political system, but this isn't something that can be pinned on Democrats or so-called "Liberals" especially.

HarleyER · Jan 25, 2025

FireDragon76 said:
It's a systemic failure related to Climate Change.

Similar disasters have happened in other parts of the country. Of course it exposes the weaknesses of our political system, but this isn't something that can be pinned on Democrats or so-called "Liberals" especially.

(No water) + (Dry timber) + (one spark of fire) = disaster. Funny, no other states are burning up due to "climate change".

This is a systematic failure of environmentalists. In trying to save the environment they only created a far greater problem with the burning Teslas.

Bottom line in all this, despite climate change, is if California would have stockpiled water and clear the brush, there would NOT have been this disaster. This certainly is the result of inept politicians.

Stephen3141 · Jan 29, 2025

Climate triple whammy boosted risk of LA fires, study shows

Hot, dry conditions, a lack of rain and a longer fire-risk season are all more likely in today’s hotter climate

www.theguardian.com

32 American and European experts working with the WWA (World
Weather Attribution) explain how less rain, unreliable rain, and the
Fall/Winter winds radically increased the danger of fires breaking
out in Los Angeles.

HarleyER · Jan 29, 2025

Stephen3141 said:
Climate triple whammy boosted risk of LA fires, study shows

Hot, dry conditions, a lack of rain and a longer fire-risk season are all more likely in today’s hotter climate

www.theguardian.com

32 American and European experts working with the WWA (World
Weather Attribution) explain how less rain, unreliable rain, and the
Fall/Winter winds radically increased the danger of fires breaking
out in Los Angeles.

The problem isn't WHY it is happening. The problem is management of the event.

If these are such "global weather experts", then surely they could offer solutions to manage the situation rather then just tell everyone they have to cough up trillions of dollars (the rich countries that is) and stop relying of oil (except to charter their own jet planes).

And if Newsom truly believe that there was a radical increase in the danger of fires breaking out due to climate change, then why didn't he take steps to avoid the problem besides destroy dams and mandate EV vehicles? BTW-mandating EV vehicles have shown to be an environmental disaster when it comes to fires.

Climate change is nothing more than a lie just like we are finding out about COVID.

Stephen3141 · Friday at 9:16 AM

Although there are posts that continue to repeat the popular conspiracy
theories, the emerging examination by experts is leading in different directions.

Regardless of HOW MANY fire trucks LA had deployed, they would not have
save houses in a firestorm with 70 mph winds. How many fire trucks were
available, is not a relevant point.

It was not a problem that water in CA was stuck in the North.
No amount of pipe water, would have stopped the 70 mph winds
blowing the fire from one house to another. The high winds, meant
that airborne water carriers could not fly. Without them, it was
impossible to control this sort of fire.

Housing STANDARDS that are decades old, and not fire-proof, made
the actual HOUSES into the major fuel of these fires. Although uncleared
brush in unihabiteded areas was a problem, this is not what caused densely
built up neighborhoods to burn. In many of these neighborhoods, the
trees survived the fire, while the houses did not.

Enough with the conspiracy theories.

HarleyER · Friday at 2:24 PM

Stephen3141 said:
Although there are posts that continue to repeat the popular conspiracy
theories, the emerging examination by experts is leading in different directions.

Regardless of HOW MANY fire trucks LA had deployed, they would not have
save houses in a firestorm with 70 mph winds. How many fire trucks were
available, is not a relevant point.

It was not a problem that water in CA was stuck in the North.
No amount of pipe water, would have stopped the 70 mph winds
blowing the fire from one house to another. The high winds, meant
that airborne water carriers could not fly. Without them, it was
impossible to control this sort of fire.

Housing STANDARDS that are decades old, and not fire-proof, made
the actual HOUSES into the major fuel of these fires. Although uncleared
brush in unihabiteded areas was a problem, this is not what caused densely
built up neighborhoods to burn. In many of these neighborhoods, the
trees survived the fire, while the houses did not.

Enough with the conspiracy theories.

Even the best architects states there is no way to build a fire proof home. And yet LA is talking about rebuilding in the very same location that has the very same problems every year.

If they don't wish to take at least SOME precautions, I sure hope our tax dollars isn't going to pay for rebuilding.

As far as "conspiracy theories" goes, climate change is right at the top.

Stephen3141 · Monday at 9:41 AM

Most of the homes that were burned down, used wood and highly flammable
building components.

Using adobe, and even stucco, tends to be MUCH MORE fire resistant.

But also, the building codes of L.A. need to be changed. I think it is impetuous
and wrong, for L.A. residents to endlessly point to their "resilience", and their
promises to rebuild, but never mentioning the poor building codes that led to
most of these houses being destroyed.

Aaron112 · Monday at 11:23 AM

HarleyER said:
Even the best architects states there is no way to build a fire proof home.

Not if they are honest (which few are).
There is available for decades now a fireproof plaster (manufactered around Kansas City last I heard) that was once considered for deck material on aircraft carriers, and other purposes where fire-proofness was required.

Aaron112 · Monday at 11:24 AM

Stephen3141 said:
Enough with the conspiracy theories.

Time to show big business plans that guarantee continued frequent (more frequent) sales.

prodromos · Monday at 1:52 PM

Fantine said:
Almost all California forests are on federal land. When Trump asks Newsome why nothing was done, he should put a mirror to Trump's face and say he's the culprit.

Trump wasn't in power. Why didn't Biden/Harris do anything?

Fantine · Monday at 2:29 PM

prodromos said:
Trump wasn't in power. Why didn't Biden/Harris do anything?

Trump didn't do anything, either.
But I really don't think the fires were caused by lack of forest care.
Trump accused Newsome of neglecting forests because his modus operandi is shifting blame and accusing the innocent.
Nothing could have prevented the hurricane strength winds, 80 day droughts, etc.
Oh, wait! Fossil fuels and global warming plays a part.
The big problem is land density and building codes that were not fireproof.
That allowed quick acceleration of fires.
And it occurred many years ago.

prodromos · Monday at 3:53 PM

Fantine said:
Trump accused Newsome of neglecting forests because his modus operandi is shifting blame and accusing the innocent.

Sure, you keep telling yourself that.

Fantine · Monday at 4:14 PM

prodromos said:
Sure, you keep telling yourself that.

I am happy to reaffirm the truth in an atmosphere of lies.

On "Explanations" of the L.A. Wildfires

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Active Member

Well-Known Member

Active Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Senior Veteran

Dona Quixote

Senior Veteran

Dona Quixote

Similar threads