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Is Sola Scriptura Self-refuting?

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Is Sola Scriptura Self-refuting?

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Clare73 said:
Keeping in mind the written is likewise God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16).
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It's just like the chicken and egg debate.

The written even in the OT came about after the prophet and in the case of Isaiah - 200 years later.
So was he unimportant until written about.
NO - the Jewish tradition carried the truth until written

Jesus did not even 'have to follow' just the written...
He literally spoke of the CHAIR OF MOSES which is a TRADITIONAL - oral teaching - that was never written about.

So without Tradition - you only have the written. THEN we obviously do not have full knowledge in writings alone.
 
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WarriorAngel said:
It's just like the chicken and egg debate.

The written even in the OT came about after the prophet and in the case of Isaiah - 200 years later.
So was he unimportant until written about.
NO - the Jewish tradition carried the truth until written

Jesus did not even 'have to follow' just the written...
He literally spoke of the CHAIR OF MOSES which is a TRADITIONAL - oral teaching - that was never written about.

So without Tradition - you only have the written. THEN we obviously do not have full knowledge in writings alone.
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AND that said - there is one very important statement repeatedly in the written...

"Trust the Lord..."
"Pray to not be tested..."

Jesus established ONE Church.
He gave one steward as rock.
Since he made a chair of that Rock, it makes sense to trust Jesus.
Not the many interpretations by those who were not His Rock.

So if you are told to trust Him, why settle for anyone elses church?
 
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I hate to burst anyone's philosophical gymnastics bubble..

But there is no chicken and egg debate for a Christian.

It says nothing in the Bible about God creating eggs. lol

Genesis 1:21
So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Chickens were first.

Thanks. That's all. :)
 
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Zceptre said:
I hate to burst anyone's philosophical gymnastics bubble..

But there is no chicken and egg debate for a Christian.

It says nothing in the Bible about God creating eggs. lol

Genesis 1:21
So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Chickens were first.

Thanks. That's all. :)
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EXACTLY.

How can we debate the 'egg' came first..?

The writing came secondary by the request of the Church BISHOPS.

The epistles were replies to the Bishops.
The writing of the Gospels - because the Bishops 'requested' it.
 
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Clare73 said:
Of course. . .who else but the early Christians could make such a call?

However, some of those books are not recognized as God-breathed by a large number of Christians,
and I can see why, for all but one of the books of the Apocrypha is inferior to the majesty and quality of the rest of the God-breathed Scriptures (2 Tim 3:16).
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I was speaking only of the New Testament canon, which was agreed upon by all ancient churches. The early church never agreed on a single Old Testament canon, although the early church did agree not to use the 66 book canon of the Masoretic Text, interestingly enough. The differences between Old Testament canons accepted by the early church is mostly minor except in the case of the Ethiopian church, which had several addition books in its Ge’ez Old Testament library which it trusted, and this has never been an issue within the Oriental Orthodox communion.

Interestingly several books rejected by those who accept the New Testament canon of St. Athana
 
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WarriorAngel said:
EXACTLY.

How can we debate the 'egg' came first..?

The writing came secondary by the request of the Church BISHOPS.

The epistles were replies to the Bishops.
The writing of the Gospels - because the Bishops 'requested' it.
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Indeed. The 12 Apostles and then the 70 Apostles and St. Paul constituted the first generation of Bishops. For example St. Thomas established the Church in Edessa, Nineveh, Seleucia-Cstesiphon, Basra and Kerala, India, and was succeeded by his disciples from the 70 Saints Addai and Mari, and St. Peter was the first bishop of Antioch and Rome, and in Antioch was succeeded by St. Evodius and St. Ignatius the Martyr, and in Rome by St. Linus and then St. Clement.
 
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The Liturgist said:
I was speaking only of the New Testament canon, which was agreed upon by all ancient churches.
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Oops! . . .sorry about that!
The Liturgist said:
The early church never agreed on a single Old Testament canon, although the early church did agree not to use the 66 book canon of the Masoretic Text, interestingly enough. The differences between Old Testament canons accepted by the early church is mostly minor except in the case of the Ethiopian church, which had several addition books in its Ge’ez Old Testament library which it trusted, and this has never been an issue within the Oriental Orthodox communion.

Interestingly several books rejected by those who accept the New Testament canon of St. Athana
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