Pete Hegseth confirmation hearing in the US Senate

Say it aint so · Jan 16, 2025

Vambram said:
The police reports exonerated Hegseth. The Joint Chiefs of Staff are still under the authority of the SecDef. Real people from the nonprofit organizations Hegseth ran have all spoke out in support of him.

Police don't exonerate. And just because people spoke in support doesn't mean the non profit didn't go bankrupt.

Vambram · Jan 16, 2025

wing2000 said:
I'm sorry you are such a poor judge of character.

In my opinion, your biases led you to post that. You are not any better at judging character than I am.

Vambram · Jan 16, 2025

Say it aint so said:
Police don't exonerate. And just because people spoke in support doesn't mean the non profit didn't go bankrupt.

Hegseth was never charged with a crime, and as far as I know, the police didn't arrest him. Also, since when did the SecDef become responsible for the financial status of the Department of Defense? After all, the Pentagon has gotten pretty good at failing financial audits.

Vambram · Jan 16, 2025

Say it aint so said:
I know you believe in alternative facts.

I say the same thing about some of your beliefs.

Pommer · Jan 17, 2025

Vambram said:
I say the same thing about some of your beliefs.

Realities only have to “line-up” to a certain degree.
What that degree is is the business of the society; where that is (usually) done is in Institutions of Legislation.
We’re all “allowed” to believe “wrong things”…let’s agree that we agree more than it seems sometimes.

Some liberals are crooked, some conservatives are too. (It’s the “nature” of the job, (politician), there’s a lot of temptation and a lot of “This is the way we do things in these parts”.

Corruption happens when people of questionable character become elected-officials.

Mostly, it’s going to come down to what we think is the worser “crime”: being tolerant of people with vastly different realities, or having things the way the loudest group hollers, wants it to be.

rjs330 · Jan 17, 2025

Say it aint so said:
No one is arguing against withdrawal. I sure am not. What I am arguing is you don't negotiate withdrawal with the enemies of the country you're trying to prop up, including releasing prisoners, and not negotiate with the existing sovereign nation. That was Trump, not Biden.

Boden could've of ended the agreement. He didn't. He was under no obligation to go along. He was the president. The Taliban is a group, not a country. When it went awry that was Biden.

Postvieww · Jan 17, 2025

wing2000 said:
I did not question his beliefs. I questioned his behavior.

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. It seems to me that if he is now a Christian as he testifies, the Lord doesn’t remember his past sins so why should you? All of this self righteous judgement from the left is like a sounding brass and a tinkling cymbal.

Postvieww · Jan 17, 2025

Pommer said:
Maybe someone who’s played by-the-book is a better choice?
No, we’re going with the guy had has had a “history” of reveling and infidelity.

See post #107.

Hazelelponi · Jan 17, 2025

wing2000 said:
He could have sent back American military forces....and then what? Ask the Taliban to let tens of thousands of Afghans leave peacefully with our troops?

You all had a Democratic president getting blow jobs and having sex in the oval office from the, what was she the secretary?

Yeah .. no Democrat has ever had room to talk about character ever since, fidelity is only important to the left when it's conservatives.

Democrats want to hire men who dress like women with kink as their middle name but oh goodness someone cheated on their wife and got a divorce on the right side of the aisle and the sky is suddenly falling.

If you're concerned about depravity that should have began in your own side of the aisle decades ago, maybe before twerking for votes was a thing.

I am concerned about the depths of depravity we have reached myself but at this point just having competent help in government is something worth more to me than appearances, because competent help is not what's been all the rage in Washington and it shows.

wing2000 · Jan 17, 2025

Hazelelponi said:
You all had a Democratic president getting blow jobs and having sex in the oval office from the, what was she the secretary?

Yes, and Bill Clinton expressed remorse for his actions with a young intern.

Has Donald Trump ever expressed remorse for his behavior?

Hazelelponi said:
Yeah .. no Democrat has ever had room to talk about character ever since, fidelity is only important to the left when it's conservatives.

Democrats want to hire men who dress like women with kink as their middle name but oh goodness someone cheated on their wife and got a divorce on the right side of the aisle and the sky is suddenly falling.

If you're concerned about depravity that should have began in your own side of the aisle decades ago, maybe before twerking for votes was a thing.

I am concerned about the depths of depravity we have reached myself but at this point just having competent help in government is something worth more to me than appearances, because competent help is not what's been all the rage in Washington and it shows.

For the first 45 years of my Evangelical upbringing, I was taught that charcter mattered.....that is until 2016.

Hazelelponi · Jan 17, 2025

wing2000 said:
Yes, and Bill Clinton expressed remorse for his actions with a young intern.

He did it in the oval office, lied about it to the American people when the story broke, and was found out due to DNA evidence.

THEN he "expressed remorse".

Uh huh...

wing2000 said:
Has Donald Trump ever expressed remorse for his behavior?

He didn't cheat on his wife while he was in the oval office with White House staff..

He doesn't need to show public anything, what happened in his past has nothing to do with why we hired him to be President of the United States, or the job he can do.

The man's a workaholic, we like him. His past is his business. Workaholics make horrible husbands, but they make excellent Presidents and SecDef's.

Say it aint so · Jan 18, 2025

rjs330 said:
Boden could've of ended the agreement. He didn't. He was under no obligation to go along. He was the president. The Taliban is a group, not a country. When it went awry that was Biden.

What? Is he going to round up those 5,000 prisoners along with the leader of the Taliban? The Taliban is a group who now rules Afghanistan. "If but for" Trump's bad decisions, they wouldn't be out of prison and ruling.

Pommer · Jan 18, 2025

Postvieww said:
See post #107.

If ”we the people” would like to run the Nation under biblical principles “we’re” going to need to scrap Constitution 1.0 for something different.

rjs330 · Jan 18, 2025

Say it aint so said:
What? Is he going to round up those 5,000 prisoners along with the leader of the Taliban? The Taliban is a group who now rules Afghanistan. "If but for" Trump's bad decisions, they wouldn't be out of prison and ruling.

Biden botched the whole thing. He was under no obligation to do what he did. But he did it and botched it. That's on him. He was president.

Pommer · Jan 19, 2025

rjs330 said:
Biden botched the whole thing. He was under no obligation to do what he did. But he did it and botched it. That's on him. He was president.

Yeah, he owned that, (it was in all of the papers), he was duty-bound to abide by his predecessor’s agreement though.
What were his “choices”?
Put more troops in?

Those threads would have been something to see!

Postvieww · Jan 19, 2025

Pommer said:
If ”we the people” would like to run the Nation under biblical principles “we’re” going to need to scrap Constitution 1.0 for something different.

It seems as though many of the “we the people “ want to hold him to biblical principles for his entire life. Where is the compassion and forgiveness shown by Biden’s pardons? A bit hypocritical don’t you think? If many of the hypocrites in Washington were held to the same standard we would vastly cut down on the Federal workforce.

Say it aint so · Jan 19, 2025

rjs330 said:
Biden botched the whole thing. He was under no obligation to do what he did. But he did it and botched it. That's on him. He was president.

Trump botched the whole thing. He was under no obligation to give the Taliban power. But he did and botched it. That was on him. He was president.

rjs330 · Jan 19, 2025

Say it aint so said:
Trump botched the whole thing. He was under no obligation to give the Taliban power. But he did and botched it. That was on him. He was president.

He was responsible for what he did while president in this case. We as the US were no longer responsible for Afganistan. They had plenty of time to be able to build a government and military to.protect themselves. Although i will.say that he was wrong not to include the Afghan government in the talks. I will say that was a failure on his part in my opinion. But getting out was not.

Trump.wanting to get out was the right thing to do. But he wasn't responsible for how it went down. He wasn't in office. Biden was. How it went down and the failures involved was on him.because he was the Chief in charge. He could have put together a plan that worked. He didn't. He failed. Biden could have easily told rhe Taliban that any insurgency before the withdrawl would not be tolerated and would nullify any agreement and would be met with force. That would have allowed us to move out without the issues we saw. We could have taken out equipment with us and gotten all troops and Americans out. Biden failed, plain and simple.

Pommer · Jan 19, 2025

Postvieww said:
It seems as though many of the “we the people “ want to hold him to biblical principles for his entire life.

Please use proper names (not pronouns) for the first instance of talking about a particular person, thanks.

Postvieww said:
Where is the compassion and forgiveness shown by Biden’s pardons? A bit hypocritical don’t you think?

Non sequitur

Postvieww said:
If many of the hypocrites in Washington were held to the same standard we would vastly cut down on the Federal workforce.

Two non sequiturs in a row, nicely done!
Isn’t the Trump Administration(II) going to gut the federal workforce anyways?

Postvieww · Jan 20, 2025

Pommer said:
Please use proper names (not pronouns) for the first instance of talking about a particular person, thanks.

Non sequitur

Two non sequiturs in a row, nicely done!
Isn’t the Trump Administration(II) going to gut the federal workforce anyways?

Well at least you did impress Hans with your post. “Nicely done “.

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