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Lordship Salvation is hideous

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But you include Bob's ministry in your comment And I'm not just talking about Bob Wilkin’s ministry.

So show proof that Grace Evangelical Society has a going to hell list.
Poor wording on my part. That's not what I meant.
What Bob is trying to do is bring the simple message that to receive God;s free gift pf Eternal Life salvation is simply by belief in Jesus. To a world of Christianity that has corrupted that message with the addition of many other actions from repentance of sin, to obedience, to being baptized, to making Jesus Lord of your life. etc..

If you want to attack him for this you will not be the first one.
I'm talking about a problem I see with free grace theology, based on what various proponents of it I've come across have said and written. You can point out a perceived problem you see in a particular theology without attacking someone. If you look back in this thread I pointed out a problem I see in lordship salvation as well. And I've discussed it with Steve Gregg before. If Bob answers emails as readily as Steve does, I'd love to discuss it with him.
 
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Poor wording on my part. That's not what I meant.

I'm talking about a problem I see with free grace theology, based on what various proponents of it I've come across have said and written. You can point out a perceived problem you see in a particular theology without attacking someone. If you look back in this thread I pointed out a problem I see in lordship salvation as well. And I've discussed it with Steve Gregg before. If Bob answers emails as readily as Steve does, I'd love to discuss it with him.
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Email him, i know he is always mentioning about an email he has received faithalone7777@gmaildotcom
 
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This is also a matter of what's meant by salvation. In the NIV the word salvation appears 74 times in the OT, and 40 times in the NT. In the NKJV it's 122 times in the OT and 44 times in the NT.

So the OT talks about salvation much more than the NT does. And yet in the OT there's virtually no mention of salvation having anything to do with going to heaven or being saved from going to hell. So obviously there's more to salvation than it just meaning you go to heaven when you die.
 
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Wow. I guess that is why consistently only a remnant are saved because they know Him as Lord and King.
Thanks for sharing.
Be blessed.
The Greek LORDSHIP is in the bible and means supremacy and see STRONGS CONCORANCE or see VINES DICTIONARY !!

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John 8:31 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;" These are saved believers John 3:15 "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." but Jesus says if you continue in the word then you are disciples. Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." Discipleship, taking up the cross, Following Jesus is works. yes it is. Salvation and discipleship cannot mix, according to Jesus they are not the same thing John 8:31 this proves discipleship and salvation are not the same.

Reading the bible, obeying commands, thats works, thats discipleship. We should do that after salvation to keep a good relationship with God avoid chastisement and grow in sanctification. but has nothing to do with the free gift of salvation. If you have to repent of this sin or that sin or clean up the life, thats works not salvation. Do not conflate salvation and discipleship they are two separate things. salvation is a one time event passed from death to life, in a moment of time twinkling of an eye. Counting the cost is works, salvation is not costly.

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

John 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Acts 16:30-31 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Nah. Faith/justification/salvation are inseparable from obedience, living righteounsly as children of God should-and must. Faith leads us to that door, to grace, the life of the Holy Spirit in us, or its worthless. We're justifed by being given the gift of rightouesness, IOW, not only by forgiveness of sin. Then we're expected to continue to walk in and grow in that righteousness. If we're not doing so then we haven't truly remained in Him.
 
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It is basically impossible to describe Lordship Salvation without adding in a personal performance factor. Even for those who say they don't believe in a performance based salvation.

This 7 min video from Steve Gregg's radio call-in show called The Narrow Path lays it out well:

A gift can be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where the gift intrinsically requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to drive it.

Similarly, God's gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:13) and the gift of God's law is His instructions for how to do that (Exodus 33:13, Matthew 7:23), not for how to earn it as the result. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus said that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments and something that we inherit is a gift.

In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so doing those works has absolutely nothing with trying to have a good enough performance to earn our salvation as the result, but rather God graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of those works is part of His gift of salvation.
 
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More proof that salvation and discipleship are not the same thing: Judas was a disciple yet not saved because he didn't believe in Jesus John 6:64 and the thief on the cross wasn't a disciple yet he was saved because he did believe in Jesus. Luke 23:42-43
 
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