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‘Murdered In His Own Home’: Kentucky Cops Raid Wrong Home and Kill Innocent Man Over Alleged Stolen Weed Eater
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Given this particular city's PD's response ("hey, let's suspend bodycams"), it sounds like this particular city would be a good candidate for having their local PD dismantled, and temporarily put under the jurisdiction of county Sheriff's dept or state police until they can find some competent people for the job.
There was a bipartisan effort a few years back (led by Rand Paul) to put heavy restrictions on these types of raids due to another incident that happened in Kentucky...unfortunately, it never got much traction.
There was a bipartisan effort a few years back (led by Rand Paul) to put heavy restrictions on these types of raids due to another incident that happened in Kentucky...unfortunately, it never got much traction.
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I know you and I tend to have lots of points of agreement here on CF, but this isn't one of them lol.
If it's late at night, and I'm awoken by people busting down my door "let me check and validate their credentials" isn't the first thing on my mind...
Not to mention, it's a stolen weed whacker. It's not like we're talking about "hey, we've got a confirmed location on El Chapo, we need to move on this intel ASAP". Why is that 11:30pm business that needs to be acted on immediately?
In what world is a stolen $150 landscaping device a "wake up the Swat team and let's move! bravo charlie delta, I got your six watch for tangos!!" scenario?
My cousin had an actual car stolen, and the police response was "we can take a statement now, and a detective will contact you on Monday"
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Maybe it is like my low crime suburb where the local PD spends most of its time ticketing speeders in school zones and stopping people of color driving ratty cars. A chance to investigate a theft could make the police raring to go to do so real policing and make sure the SWAT truck still runs. Hard to believe, but there are pockets of America where stealing a weed-eater is a pretty big deal. If you only have two weed-eaters stolen in a year and make a arrest retrieving one of them, you have brought the crime rate down 50%. That is good press.
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That PD shouldn't have a SWAT.Maybe it is like my low crime suburb where the local PD spends most of its time ticketing speeders in school zones and stopping people of color driving ratty cars. A chance to investigate a theft could make the police raring to go to do so real policing and make sure the SWAT truck still runs. Hard to believe, but there are pockets of America where stealing a weed-eater is a pretty big deal. If you only have two weed-eaters stolen in a year and make a arrest retrieving one of them, you have brought the crime rate down 50%. That is good press.
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I live in one such community...where there's no "big crime".Maybe it is like my low crime suburb where the local PD spends most of its time ticketing speeders in school zones and stopping people of color driving ratty cars. A chance to investigate a theft could make the police raring to go to do so real policing and make sure the SWAT truck still runs. Hard to believe, but there are pockets of America where stealing a weed-eater is a pretty big deal. If you only have two weed-eaters stolen in a year and make a arrest retrieving one of them, you have brought the crime rate down 50%. That is good press.
The city (which I won't name, because I don't intend on doxxing myself) hasn't had a murder since early 90's and hasn't had an armed robbery since 2007.
I can't imagine them "rallying the troops in hoorah! mode" over a stolen weed whacker.
In fact, I'd more expect them to call in the county sheriffs because they totally weren't anticipating actually having to do anything dangerous
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If Police enter a house uninvited they MUST be in full gear and be announcing themselves before crossing rhe threshold and consistently afterwards.
The silent treatment is a big no. Thats all they have. What else are they supposed to do. How else do they tell whomever is inside that they are the police?
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Its not. If no one is telling him they are rhe police then he has a right to grab a gun. That's why every thing has to be in place. Verbal announcements as well as full police gear.
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I think you might have missed it earlier, but I mentioned this. An 11 pm raid over a weed whacker is inexcusable. A raid at all for this is not right in my opinion. Go knock on the guys door during the day and show him the warrant and he has to let you in.
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Even if they are announcing themselves, if they're executing a raid at nearly midnight, it's reasonable to assume that the occupant of the house may be asleep and thus may not hear/comprehend the announcements immediately. If I'm woken up by the crash of my door breaking down, the first thing I'm doing is grabbing a gun (if I have one).
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I liked serving search warrants during the day time but there were only four of us on the task force and usually only two of us in any one county. The state police tactical team that assisted us like to serve them at night, usually around 5am. This meant rushing in and securing the dwelling very quickly before anyone had a chance to respond. Someone would turn on a siren as we hit the door and we were yelling “ Police, search warrant “
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Again, think through the scenario. You're dead asleep in your bedroom. You are startled awake by vague shouting and then the front door of the house is violently shattered.
Their so-called "verbal announcements" are basically horse manure when followed instantly by the door being broken down.
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When they start out wrong, everything after that is also wrong. Everything they did precipitated the suspect approaching his door with a gun in his hand.
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