The Purpose of the Earth

Ben Leevey said:

Because He chose to. We are given no specific reason. We don't need to know the reason for what we're not told.

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You did ask for proof that God having to recreate the animals would be failure (What I meant by failure, is God's purpose in relation to the animals)?
God preserved every kind of animal, from creepy crawlies, to huge powerful beast, to adorable little ones, to flying majestic birds...
This, after God created all these things during his work of creation.

God created what he wanted, on the earth, and he preserved them so that they could continue to exist, because he wanted them, since that is the reason he made them.
If God has to recreate from scratch his purpose for his creation has failed.

If God had destroyed Adam and Eve, his purpose for mankind would have failed.
If God destroys the earth, his purpose for the earth has failed.
If you get married, to the woman you want, and you divorce, your relationship with that woman - the purpose of your marriage has failed.

I believe this is simple to understand.

Ben Leevey said:

Can you prove from scripture that I would have to do a rewrite for this? Do the scriptures speak contrary to it?

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If a person claims that God will recreate animals, then that person needs to provide the scriptures that say God will do what is in their imagination.
Someone else does not have to provide a scripture that says there is no scripture that supports what the person has in their imagination.

All the person has to do is point out that no scripture supports that person's idea, and then show them the scriptures that say, “Do not go beyond what is written.” 1 Corinthians 4:6, and "some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction" 2 Peter 3:16

For example, a person who claims that God will create Pixies, has to provide the scriptures to support that idea.
Asking a person to provide a scripture that says they will have to rewrite their own scripture in order to find a passage that says God will create Pixies, is not showing reasonableness, or practical, because there is no scripture that will say, God will not create Pixies, or Mermaids, or Big Foots.
There is however, no scripture that supports the claim that God will create Pixies, so that is enough proof against the claim.

In fact, a claim with no supportive evidence, that a thing will be the case, is just an empty assertion, that can be dismissed without any consideration of it.

Ben Leevey said:

Let me use the ESV here. That's my usual translation and I'm more comfortable with it:

Zephaniah 1:2–3
"I will utterly sweep away everything from the face of the earth," declares the Lord. "I will sweep away man and beast; I will sweep away the birds of the heavens and the fish of the sea, and the rubble with the wicked. I will cut off mankind from the face of the earth," declares the Lord.

To be perfectly forward, that's my only one. But if you can point out a way that it doesn't hold water, I'll gladly shift!

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Well we have one to start with, which is clear, and you haven't shifted, so what else would you need to be shown?

God is so clear in his thinking, isn't he?
Genesis 8:21

Never again will I curse the ground because of man

We have

• what God did
• why God did what he did
• why God would not do what he did again

It's important to consider the whys.
Man is wicked. I destroyed all life because of them. never again will I do that... What? Destroy all life.
It's that simple.

That's why I asked you to translate it without interpreting it, because I know in it's "pure" state, it will not say what persons may want it to say. To get it to do that, as was demonstrated, one has to insert texts. Thus, they interpret the text as they believe.

If Zephaniah is the culprit that has made you unswerving, consider a few things.
Go back to the very beginning of the Bible, and ask yourself these questions:

1. Why did God create all these things at the beginning?
2. What went wrong?
3. Has God determined to correct the wrong, or has God changed his mind about what he created, and their purpose?

This is just a very concise look at the whole picture.
What answer do you find the scriptures give?

Here is what I found.
Why did God create all these things at the beginning?


And God looked upon all that He had made, and indeed, it was very good. Genesis 1:31
Read Genesis 2:7-24
Read Acts 17:24-28
Genesis 1:28 - God blessed them [the man and woman] and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth.”

What went wrong?

Read Genesis 3:1-24

Romans 5:12 - Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.
Read Romans 3:23; Romans 5:14

Has God determined to right the wrong, or has God changed his mind about what he created, and their purpose?

Read Genesis 3:15; Genesis 12:3;
Read Galatians 3:16, 29; Romans 8:12-23

Read Ephesians 1:5-14
Read Colossians 1:19, 20
Matthew 6:10 - Your kingdom come. Your will be done as in heaven, so also upon earth.

Your kingdom come...

Your will be done... as in heaven, so also upon earth..

Notice that I answer those three questions to give a concise look at the picture God paints in the scriptures. There are no interpretations given of any scripture, but all the scriptures link together to follow a path from beginning to end -

1. God's purpose for the earth, and mankind;
2. What happened;
3. What God put in place to correct what happened;
4. God's purpose fulfilled.

Thus, we see that God did not alter his purpose. He did not change his mind.
I hope there there is enough here to move you to make that shift.
If you find there is a problem, please feel free to point it out.

At the same time, I would like to see how you answer the questions with scripture, if you don't agree.

Ben Leevey said:

Again, can you prove how long God's purpose for wildlife necessitates that the wildlife remains?

1. Why did God create all things at the beginning:

Hebrews 2:10

2. What went wrong?

Man sinned against God in rebellious unbelief.

3. Has God determined to correct the wrong, or has God changed his mind about what he created, and their purpose?

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God created all things at the beginning so that Christ would suffer, and then it all went wrong when man sinned against God in rebellious unbelief?
Would you like a Bible study Ben?

Ben Leevey said:

Yes, he has determined to correct it.

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What needs correcting if God purposed it to be so?

Ben Leevey said:

The how on the other hand isn't completely laid out, as far as the animal and plant kingdoms go.

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That is not true.
The Gospel of the kingdom is all laid out quite clearly.

Ben Leevey said:

But, you know Corey, I think I said this before, but this is is very secondary.

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The Gospel of tha Kingdom is not secondary, and you were shown that when you said this before.
Short memory?

Ben Leevey said:

Did I say that? If so, where? I certainly didn't mean to.

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You said:

1. Why did God create all things at the beginning:
Hebrews 2:10

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Do you understand what Hebrews 2:10 says?

Ben Leevey said:

Note, I referred to the animal kingdom.

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Right. What does the kingdom of God, and his Christ rule? The same earth with animal and plant kingdoms, and I reference those text. Isaiah 11:6-9; Isaiah 65:17-25
There is another in Psalm 72:16.

Ben Leevey said:

Again, we're discussing the animal kingdom, not the kingdom of heaven.

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We are discussing the purpose of the earth, and the earth - which includes the animal and plant kingdoms - of the domain of the great king. Ephesians 1:9, 10; Matthew 6:10

Ben Leevey said:

And you did show me, but I was never convinced, and never said I was.

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Whether you are convinced or not, does not prevent me from showing you.
If there is a need to repeat it, then that's what will happen.

If someone told you God is wicked, would you refuse to show them, or tell them otherwise, simply because they are not convinced?
I hope not.

truth must be told, regardless of who is convinced.
That's what Matthew 24:14 says.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed in the whole earth, for a testimony to all the nations; and then the end will come.

Ben Leevey said:

I think so. It says that it is fitting for God, for whom and by whom all things exist, to make the founder of our salvation perfect through suffering. But I'm centering on the phrase "for whom and by who all things exist" I think that answers your question:

Why did God create all these things at the beginning?

The answer is, for Himself!

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I should have used the expression "for what purpose".
I assumed we were both on that topic.

If I asked for what purpose, though, I have a strong feeling you will answer, to praise him, but that is not what we are looking at.
If you had to answer a child who asks you why did God make grass... Why did God make flowers... Why did God make the sun, the moon... rain?... Would you give an answer, "for himself", or "to praise him"?

There is more to it than that, and the reason for the question, is to know the purpose of their existence in relation to those to whom the scriptures said, "the earth He has given to mankind." Psalm 115:6

Can you work with that?
Imagine I am that child. Only, not a physical child, but the child seeking the scriptural answer for the reason God wants specific things in creation.
After all, a simple rock in the universe can be for himself.

Ben Leevey said:

But that doesn't mean we can talk as if they bear the same importance as the kingdom of heaven.

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The reason for the kingdom of heaven, is because of their importance.
The kingdom of heaven would not be on anyone's lips if the earth and the things God made on them were all in harmony with his purpose. Ephesians 1:10

Had things not "gone wrong", there would be no need for the Messiah - the seed (Genesis 3:15). There would be no need for another king, or kings (Genesis 49:10; Psalm 2:6; Luke 1:32, 33; Hebrews 1:8). There would be no need for a new rulership - an expression of God's righteous rule (Daniel 2:44; Isaiah:9:6, 7). Israel would not be important... etc.

So, yes, it is important to talk about what is especially important to God, and that includes the earth and mankind, that he made, and the animal and plant kingdoms, that he made, as well.

Why is this message called the Gospel - Good News! - of the kingdom?
Why don't we let God himself answer that, through his angelic messengers.

Peace on earth. That is good news.
It is good news for God's people on earth, who understand the message of the Bible.
It is good news for the angels in heaven, who rejoiced when the Devil was cast out of heaven because the King of kings had begun ruling, and would soon rid the earth of Satan, and all his followers, bringing peace to mankind... and yes, animal kind... the whole earth.
It is good news from God.

Why don't you know it? Would you like a Bible study, Ben?
I see you are not shifting.

Have you ever had to deal with livestock?
I remember when I was small boy, and my parents kept sheep.
I remember at times when I would take the rope, trying to lead the sheep in a direction.
Man, the sheep would not budge. No matter how I pulled.
A time I was pulling, and the sheep move, and I fell on mu bum. Funny, now I think about it.

So, I am not here to convince you, or to tug you.
Jesus' sheep respond to the Good News of the kingdom.
Those who want to know it, will make the effort to do so, and will certainly benefit.

Ben Leevey said:

I don't get how this says that whether or not animals will be recreated is centrally important???

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I understand.
Knowing the kingdom message is centrally important, and since a person is not teaching the kingdom message when they imagine, without scriptural evidence, that animals will be created, and present that idea, it is understandable why you don't get it.
They simply do not know what the Gospel of the kingdom is.

I shared it a moment ago, in a very concise and illustrative way, with dozens of scripture.
However, if in your mind, this is minor, and understanding it is not that important, since to do so, would not be a "damnable error", would you not just brush it aside with a wave of the hand?

Ben Leevey said:

Actually, my answer to the would be, ultimately to display his mercy through Jesus Christ.

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Okay. Thanks.

bling said:

Gen 8:21 The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.



22 “As long as the earth endures,

seedtime and harvest,

cold and heat,

summer and winter,

day and night

will never cease.”

To understand Gen:8:21 we have to look at the next verse, since the promise is contingent on, “as long as the earth endures”, but the earth will not continue forever. Even if you believe there is a 1000 yr reign (some long finite period) it still ceases.

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You said this two pages ago, and the response to it was not addressed.
The 1,00- years has nothing to do with the fact that the scriptures state the earth lasts forever.
not only did you not address the scripture at Psalm 78:69, you did not address the question in relation to the earth existing, prior to the 1,000 years, during the 1,000 years, and after the 1,000 years.

Revelation 20:1-3
1 I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

If you are going to address that, please do so now.

bling said:

Christ is the Good News, this earth is going to be destroyed.

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Please provide the scripture that says "Christ is the Good News".
The Good News about the kingdom does include what Christ will do.
Ephesians 1:10 - for the administration of the fullness of the times, to bring together all things in Christ - the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth - in him.

Do you accept that the the Good News includes God' purpose for the earth?

bling said:

“Psalms 78:69 He built his sanctuary like the heights,

like the earth that he established forever.”

We have gone over the fact that “forever” does not always mean “eternally”, but could mean for some period of time.

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I already mentioned that the comparison between God's sanctuary and the earth, does show that forever here, is definite.
You cannot decide that forever does not mean eternal, wherever you choose, on no basis at all, other than just wanting to.

bling said:

Psalms 78 is very poetic with normal exaggeration: 27 He rained meat down on them like dust, birds like sand on the seashore. And 65 “Then the Lord awoke as from sleep, as a warrior wakes from the stupor of wine.”

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So, "He built his sanctuary like the heights" is poetic, and does not have anything to do with being elevated or exalted?
No. The comparison is valid, like the entire Psalm, which speaks of reality.

bling said:

“…whose number is as the sand of the sea.” Is an exaggeration. (estimates at 7.5 sextillion grains”).

First off: the “1000 years” may having nothing to do with years: Ps. 50:10 for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills.

The “hills” has nothing to do with the 1000, the 1000 represents completeness 10x10x10, so if the 1000 is conveying completeness the “years” may have nothing to do with to do with time.

The idea of satan being chained conveys the idea of satan being limited for a time (you do not literally “chain” a spiritual being up). I see satan being in a very limited capacity right now compared to the beginning of the first century.

The end of the “Church Age” right now (1000 years) will be the second coming of Christ and judgment for everyone.

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I asked you to tell me when Satan was bound so that he does not mislead the nations, any longer, until the 1,000 years were ended, and you have not answered.

Note. The Bible did not say Satan is limited, compared to anything.
Revelation 20:2, 3
2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

Satan is deceiving nations, and has been doing so from Genesis, up till now.
Do you deny that fact?

bling said:

No! It is truly sad humans have to go through this tragic time here on earth to fulfill their earthly objective.

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I do not know where you got that phrase "earthly objective", but if you mean, the purpose of man on earth, the Bible tells us, as I reference before. Genesis 1:26-28; Acts 17:26-28

bling said:

As I have repeatedly shown you: Jer. 18 makes all God's commitments contingent on man's actions. If mankind changes a promise given to mankind depends on mankind not changing. If mankind ceases to even exist than the promise goes away also.

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bling said:

You are using your biasness to say "forever" in this case means eternal.

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Actually, I have been avoiding mud slinging by asking pointed question, which you refuses to answer, and using pointed scriptures, which you do not acknowledge.

Saying something because one can, without showing why, is more a demonstration of bias, than asking questions, and using scripture to refute what someone claims.
So, please don't just sling mud, when you do not have any basis for saying something you cannot support.

You have not shown Psalms 78:69, or the other Psalms (Ecclesiastes 1:4; Psalm 104:5), along with the other scriptures' use of "forever" to be indefinite.
You just say it is.

Consider the post that you did not respond to, and why?
1) Questions were asked which you could not address without demonstrating that you are making claims that are not supported scripturally.
For example...

When did the 1,000 years rule of Christ begin?
At that time, the Devil is bound... "so that he does not mislead the nations any longer... until... the 1,000 years were ended.
When was the Devil bound so that he does not mislead anyone?

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I remember all the points you evaded, though, so don't think you escaped .

The other question...

The other question, I also am looking for an answer.
What are you saying exactly?
Dead people go to heaven? Is that what you are saying.... and it does not matter what they did and if they are unrighteous?

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2) Scriptures were used that refuted the belief you put forward.
For example...

The Revelation given John was some fifty years after Pentecost, and those prophecies were for the future. Revelation 1:1-3; Revelation 22:10
The kingdom has not come, indeed, because it has not taken over rulership of the earth, but Jesus did become king, as John says, at the blowing of the seventh trumpet. Revelation 11:15-18

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That refuted your claim that "the Kingdom comes with the indwelling Holy Spirit on Pentecost".
I have referred to Ephesians 1:10, numerous times, and do you recall your responses?

If the earth is not forever, Ephesians 1:10, does not fit into the scriptures, because the heavens and the earth, there, does not refer to any other than the heavens and earth, mentioned at Psalm 115:15, 16.

Matthew 6:10, applies to the same earth, and is not fulfilled at Pentecost, since the scriptures you tried to evade, refutes that claim.
So, there is no bias, on my part.
There is only scriptural proof.

On the other hand, I am seeing "just say" arguments.
The only way you can show anything is to show that the questions and scriptures you are faced with, have an answer from scripture.
Hopefully, you will address them now.

bling said:

I gave you examples where: forever is not eternal in scripture.

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Yes. thank you.
So? Is that to say, because there are scriptures that use "forever" indefinitely, all uses of "forever" is indefinite?
Is that your argument?

If not, what then is your point?

bling said:

I gave you examples, right from the poem (psalm) itself to show Deity using poetic language.

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Actually, the whole of Psalm 78, is describing reality - recounting real historical events.
The atheists use the "poetic" argument, as though that renders the text fictional.
You aren't atheist, so I wonder what you are trying to say, really.
What's your point?

bling said:

Satan does not cause us to sin, we can never say: "The devil made me do it".
Satan has, and is, at this time "Limited" (Poetically chained) and the nations can only blame themselves for the sins they do.

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Are you saying that the Bible is false when it says that Satan misleads people?
Are you trying to dismiss what the scripture says, by actually claiming that the Devil is not "put out of commission", for a period of time, so that he is unable to do what he has been doing from Genesis until now - misleading people?
Are you trying to get Revelation 20 to fit into your timeline of Pentecost?
II can tell you, it's not working.

To say "Satan does not cause us to sin, we can never say: "The devil made me do it"" is not addressing the text at Revelation 20. It's ignoring it... what we call, hand waving... Unless of course, you are saying that Satan does not mislead anyone, which is to say, the scriptures are all wrong.
That's not the route you are taking. is it?

bling said:

Gen. 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
Acts 17:26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’[c]

You do realize: you can take any command given by God in scripture and have Biblical support for calling it, "Man's objective". Not sure where you are finding "Man's purpose or objective" in Acts 17. Are you saying man is to: seek God, reach out and find Him?

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The scriptures are doing the saying. not me.
What do all mankind have? Is it not freedom to choose... Deuteronomy 32:19, 20 If we want to serve God, or not?
Does our life not depend on worshipping God... Matthew 5:3 Not just bread alone?

bling said:

There are two commands which all other commands are derived from and are subordinate to and that would be our objective, rightly given as commands.

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I'm not sure what you are saying.
Are you saying God put man on earth to love God, and love his neighbor?
Can you be more specific?

bling said:

Before we become like the angels, we are human (mankind) beings that do need to care for the earth.

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So you believe God wanted angels, from the earth?
In other words, God made billions of angels in heaven, but decided to create the earth, put humans on it, gave them an objective to love God and their neighbor, and once they reach that, make them angels to live in heaven. ???
Why is the God of the churches made to look so foolish and backward???

I know the answer, but seriously, bling, I think I need to say this... think of the nonsense they are teaching.
At Psalm 115:16, God said he gave the earth to mankind. He created the heaven for himself, and those billions of angels.

Great Rocks! You mean he could not create more angels in heaven, but put men on a beautiful earth with all kinds of foods and pleasures, put eternity in their heart - He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also, he has put eternity into man’s heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end - only to make them heavenly beings, and destroy the earth... then make another earth, and send the men that he made angels, back down on earth??? Great Rocks!
That God has no intelligence, bling. None.

That is not how the God of the Bible is.
The reason persons were chosen to go to heaven, is to become kings and priests in the heavenly kingdom. Jesus selected only a few out of mankind to go with him.
Please read the scriptures. Luke 22:28-30; Luke 12:32; 1 Corinthians 15:20-28; Revelation 5:9, 10; Revelation 14:4; Revelation 20:4, 6

That is why you read at Revelation of two groups - one numbered (144,000); the other, unnumbered (a great multitude that no one could count), because only the 144,000 rule in the kingdom.
The great multitude is before the throne - not in heaven, but are the same ones at Revelation 21:3, 4 - mankind on earth... part of the new earth.

That kingdom became necessary, only after Adam sinned Genesis 3:15; Revelation 12:1-12, and it was placed in the hands of the one who would be the right king Isaiah 9:6, 7; Daniel 7:13, 14; Luke 1:32, 33, for the job, of bringing all things to the way God purposed from the beginning. Ephesians 1:10
Please read the scriptures.

The whole purpose of the kingdom, is to bless the earth, and its citizens, and to sanctify God's name. Genesis 22:18; Matthew 6:0, 10; Revelation 21:1-5
A man in perfect health would not complain about gardening, since this is how God designed mankind to eat.

When God planted every tree desirable to the eyes, and good for food, all Adam and Eve had to do was pick fruit, and eat, but they also had to take care of the garden. Which means making sure it remained beautiful.

Planting gardens and beautifying the whole earth would be enjoyable work.
There would b no need to do slave work, because it would be like building a house to live in, and planting orchards, to gather food.
Isaiah 65:21-23
It would not be a lifetime of work, and there would be plenty more to do, and learn.
The thing is, even if a person does not want to live on earth, that does not qualify them to live in heaven. If they do no want God's will, they will not get life. So they won't be able to complain.

bling said:

I keep asking you this: Is mankind beings, going to be around on earth forever, needing an earth, and caring for the earth like some gardener?

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I thought I answered that.
"Like some gardener" sounds a bit sarcastic, but...
Genesis 1:26-28 still stands as Isaiah 55:19, 11 stands.
Isaiah 11:6-9; Isaiah 65:17-25; Psalm 37:11, 29; Matthew 5:5

bling said:

The people we have coming back for the death, seem to look just like the way they looked when they died, with the exception of Christ which is in better shape, so will all rising to fleshly bodies look the way the died?

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They have new bodies 1 Corinthians 15:38-41, but are recognizable, since it is the DNA which gives you your features. God - the one who counts all the stars, and knows each by name Psalm 147:4, and even knows how many hairs are on each person's head Matthew 10:30 - remembers each persons DNA code, and will restore this to each individual.

bling said:

What about, a woman in the 1000-year reign, with three dead spouses, whose wife will she be after her death and suppose all her husbands were in the first resurrection? (you cannot use Jesus' answer).

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You sound like the Pharisees, who asked the same question.
Romans 7:2, 3
2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.

Death annuls a marriage.
No one is resurrected married.

bling said:

Time on earth away from God does allow us to sin without immediate retribution and that is part of the reason we spend time on earth, but can we sin in the 1000 year reign?

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Away from God.

• Enoch walked with God.
• Noah and others walked with God.
• Abraham was God's friend.
• David was a man of God's heart...

What do you mean by "time on earth away from God"?
There is no scripture that says we spend time on earth because... what did you just say is the reason? I don't understand what you just said.
Could you rephrase what you said is the reason we spend time on earth?

Anyone can disobey God... whether in heaven or earth.
Will those who survive the judgment sin? No. They proved faithful to God, throughout all sorts of trials, and they saw all the examples of disobedience, and made an informed choice to serve God. They have no doubts; no sin; no tempter.
Only a mad person would sin after that, and since there will be no sin, like humans have now, from Adam, no one will get mental illness, or any sicknesses. Isaiah 33:24

There will be universal perfection. Ephesians 1:10

bling said:

That is not at all what I said! You are responsible for everyone of your sins and not satan, just because he is misleading you to where you want to go.

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Thank you.

he is misleading you

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So, Satan is indeed misleading persons, as Revelation 12:9 says - deceiving the whole inhabited world.
Therefore, according to the scriptures, Satan is not yet thrown "into the Abyss, ...and sealed ...so that he ...not deceive the nations until the thousand years were complete" Revelation 20:3

That ends your arguments, doesn't it... since your whole argument rests on Pentecost, and the scriptures do not support that.

Thank you for taking the time to respond.
What are you teaching, if you don't mind my asking?

bling said:

I have my own company but spend most of my time teaching Bible to lots of different people one-on-one. We do other stuff together also and take breaks together some work with me, some are family, and most are students.

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It is good that you put more into spiritual things.
Do you teach persons only in person, or online as well?

bling said:

There is a big difference the way satan mislead people prior to the Kingdom coming (on Pentecost) and the limited way he does it now. There was a transition period, but back during Christ time on earth, we see satan and demons actually visibly possessing people. Satan, with God's permission, could be heard by normal people inside another person. I feel he was leading national leaders and forcing them to worship him. today the battle is within the individual, not seen by outsiders.

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I have edited my post @bling.

Since the Bible says that the Devil is misleading/deceiving persons now 2 Corinthians 4:3, 4; 1 John 5:19; Revelation 12:9, and has been misleading/deceiving persons from the beginning John 8:44, what Revelation 20:3 tells us, is that will not be the case for the 1,000 years, because Satan the Devil will be bound in the abyss, "so that he should not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed".

The question is... do you, a person who assumes to be a teacher of the Bible, to others, and thus, one who will be judged with a heavier judgment, accept that, the Bible says the Devil who is misleading/deceiving the whole world, will be bound for 1,000 years, so that he does not mislead/deceive the nations any longer, until the 1,000 years have ended? Do you?

Since the Devil is not yet bound, Revelation 12:9 is still in progress, and the kingdom did not come before Revelation 11:15-12:10.
Therefore, if you are to be on the right track, in line with the scriptures, you need to readjust your timeline and events.
It's the humble thing to do. Not to mention. it is the only wise choice to make, since according to Jesus, everlasting life depends on knowing the truth. John18:37

I was going to ask you for one of those Bible studies, since I was curious to see how you go about studying the Bible with persons. It depends though, on how you respond to this.

Were you taught by someone, or are you self taught?