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Well, we are talking about the optics; scandal is in the eye of the beholder.
Perhaps. However, the ability of the bishop to sanction the priest is in the code of conduct.
I would say, if it's of a fairly general or superficial nature, sure. That sort of conversation is daily life for priests. If it's the sort of in-depth or deeply personal thing for which someone might make an appointment to see the priest, then that's getting into the sort of area where it would be better not to confuse the boundaries of the relationship. Better to refer the masseuse to a colleague.
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Ah, so your hypothetical thread that she is having an affair is the acceptable one, the hypothetical that just because the person she gets the massage from is female doesn't mean she couldn't also have an affair is the unrealistic one. We can hear she's getting a massage from a man and invent this wild narrative where she is, and I quote, "passed around the whole town," though. Got it.
But the overwhelmingly probable scenario is that she is just getting a massage. Unless we are advocating that anytime wives do something without the blessing of her husband, we should accuse her of the worst possible case scenario. Trust in a relationship is dead, immediately accuse her, treat her as guilty, and punish her.
The husband didn't have an intuition about it, he had a question about if it was appropriate. It was this thread on a Christian forum, where we are supposed to be supporting people's marriages, that immediately leapt to the conclusion she's having an affair, she could be assaulted, and she must be dealt with like the criminal she is.
I said it. Post 525.
Waaaaaaait a second... To the claim that if she is assaulted, it's her fault, you say "good?" That's the first place we go?
And twice on Sundays, Christmas, and my birthday.
So you've never gotten a massage, have no clue what they are, no clue what occurs at them, and are just lobbing out accusations about a guys wife based off of that lack of information without regard of how it impacts her, him, their family, or their marriage. You operate from a place of fear, mistrust of women, and a belief women are less-than, incapable of making decisions in their own best interests, and you support this irrational belief with two, cherry-picked articles to support your bias as opposed to confronting the possibility that you don't know as much as you think you do. Got it.Oh I've been to doctors. I've read and seen what happens at massage therapists. Some people thought a little while ago that P. Diddy's parties were just fun celebrity hangouts. Others aren't stupid.
Yuma man arrested, accused of sexually abusing 2 women while he worked as a masseur
Ryan Quesenberry, 32, was arrested Friday on multiple charges of sexual assault, kidnapping and sexual abuse in Yuma.www.azcentral.com
Massage therapist accused of sexually assaulting clients
Three women have come forward and police believe there may be more victims.www.cbs8.com
If I had to guess what sort of "therapist" abuses his position the most in a sexual manner? People who give massages would be at the tippy top of the list. There were more articles under 2 years than I bothered to count.
Yes, because as we've established, woman getting massages, bad. Only their husbands get to touch them or else they're regarded as promiscuous, and if they're assaulted... Good.
Post 525.
You don't care what her perspective is? Well, at least you admit all you care about is you being right and everybody else agreeing or keeping quiet, lol.
The fact that the overwhelming number of people get massages without having an affair with the person giving it means that is the overwhelmingly probable scenario.
If you don't see how submitting to somebody you see outside of your home and on your terms is different than demanding obedience to somebody you share a bed with, I really can't help you.
LoL, again, this is all about your gender insecurity, not about healthy dynamics. Attack the women for not bowing down to you, attack the men who don't demand dominance like you demand to dominate, attack the society that teaches women to demand better and men to do better, but never for a second question why you're expecting a "I'm the boss, you're the employee" dynamic from a relationship that's supposed to yield partnership.
LoL, anybody who reads this as a template to a successful marriage isn't somebody I can take at all seriously on the subject. I'll take my happy, secure, confident, "milk toast" husband, thanks.
Well, a good bishop would tell the parishioner that in order to see the priest come out of a massage room, they themselves must have been getting a massage and so why should they be scandalized by the priest doing something they themselves were doing. Then they'd point out that massages are legal, not un-Biblical, a valid form of treatment for all sorts of conditions, and that the priest has given said parishioner any reason to believe that the dignity and integrity said priest displays outside of the room wouldn't also occur inside the room. Then they'd ask them where in the Bible they believe it says a massage is inappropriate and counsel them. Then they'd circle back to the priest and say "just FYI, so-and-so saw you leaving a massage room and made a complaint. I counseled them, but it may come up and maybe it's the great basis for a discussion amongst the congregation."
Just because a medical insurer won't pay for it? That's hardly a standard worth taking seriously.
Well, neither are relevant to the OP, so...
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Not in my experience. Perhaps it varies by country.
This physical protection thing is mostly a myth. Most of us aren't encountering any real threat in our day to day lives from which we need protection.
Did you not see my previous answer to that point?
Or because I have common sense.
How about therapeutic efficacy?
I don't buy the hand-waving dismissal, because I've used therapeutic massage for chronic pain management and it's a normal, mainstream part of life for many people. It's hardly voodoo.
I have no idea what you're referring to.
I have a very clear idea, thank you. But for most of us, who live far from war, it is irrelevant to what men are "entitled" to in relationships.
#552.
Sure we can. Measure flexibility, muscle function, client reports of pain, and so on.
? I never thought that you could really help me. I usually think the same about all my radically left friends.
? The OP is singular person so there is no other OP. And the OP and I have had no "banter".
Yes, that's the problem. Hard to argue with how someone feels.
Wow, two posters in the same thread with the uncanny ability to read minds. Methinks you are projecting onto me that from which you suffer.
No surprise there.
If so then why do Anglican priest take an oath of obedience to their bishop? It seems, as you explain it, the imposition on the priest is minimal if anything at all ... the priest obeys his bishop if the code requires his obedience. And, if the matter is not covered as an issue in the code, the priest who wills to disobey his bishop can lawyer-up and oppose/sue his bishop in the canonical court.
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Your hypothetical has nothing to do with the topic and is totally irrelevant. Getting a massage is in no way comparable to a random person without provocation suddenly assaulting a wife in the presence of a spouse.
