How can a Lion Eat Straw?

Diamond72 · Oct 28, 2024

6The wolf will live with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the goat; the calf and young lion and fatling will be together, and a little child will lead them. 7The cow will graze with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. (Isaiah 11)

Lions are carnivores with teeth and digestive systems adapted to meat. For a lion to eat straw, it would require significant changes in anatomy and physiology, changes that aren't naturally supported by their evolution.

Jesus is often referred to as the Lion of Judah. (RevelIation 5:5) The phrase "The lion shall lie down with the lamb" is often attributed to the Bible, but it actually doesn't appear there. The idea of course is: " 9They will neither harm nor destroy on all My holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the sea is full of water."

We know that the church age is coming to an end. The Kingdom age is beginning or soon to begin. There has been LOTS of wild and crazy speculation of HOW we transition from one to the next. But I am not convinced that anyone knows for sure. We are told that: "They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Actually I want through basic training. I thought the training was pretty neat. But I would not want to have to actually hurt anyone. I was not raised that way. If we have an army or not trillions of dollars will be saved on the cost of weapons for a cold war.

Do YOU think that there will be a physical return of Jesus for the Kingdom age or is this symbolic. We are told we will rule and reign with Him for 1,000 years. Whatever that means. "Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years." (Revelation 20:6)

David Lamb · Oct 29, 2024

Diamond72 said:
6The wolf will live with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the goat; the calf and young lion and fatling will be together, and a little child will lead them. 7The cow will graze with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. (Isaiah 11)

Lions are carnivores with teeth and digestive systems adapted to meat. For a lion to eat straw, it would require significant changes in anatomy and physiology, changes that aren't naturally supported by their evolution.

Jesus is often referred to as the Lion of Judah. (RevelIation 5:5) The phrase "The lion shall lie down with the lamb" is often attributed to the Bible, but it actually doesn't appear there. The idea of course is: " 9They will neither harm nor destroy on all My holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the sea is full of water."

We know that the church age is coming to an end. The Kingdom age is beginning or soon to begin. There has been LOTS of wild and crazy speculation of HOW we transition from one to the next. But I am not convinced that anyone knows for sure. We are told that: "They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Actually I want through basic training. I thought the training was pretty neat. But I would not want to have to actually hurt anyone. I was not raised that way. If we have an army or not trillions of dollars will be saved on the cost of weapons for a cold war.

Do YOU think that there will be a physical return of Jesus for the Kingdom age or is this symbolic. We are told we will rule and reign with Him for 1,000 years. Whatever that means. "Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years." (Revelation 20:6)

It's interesting that to start with, all animals were herbivores:

“29 ¶ And God said, "See, I have given you every herb [that] yields seed which [is] on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 "Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for food"; and it was so.” (Ge 1:29-30 NKJV)

I can't find it now, but I remember reading some years ago about a lion in our local zoo that ate only plant material. (Yes, that's not much good without some source to back it up, so I'll say no more than that.)

Diamond72 · Oct 29, 2024

David Lamb said:
It's interesting that to start with, all animals were herbivores:

The ody produces enzymes to break down the food. If we eat animals then we need bacteria in our digestive system to break down the food so we can digest it. This bacteria can turn against us. The Buddhist monks use to purify themselves of bacteria so when they died their body did not decompose.

eleos1954 · Oct 29, 2024

Diamond72 said:
6The wolf will live with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the goat; the calf and young lion and fatling will be together, and a little child will lead them. 7The cow will graze with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. (Isaiah 11)

Lions are carnivores with teeth and digestive systems adapted to meat. For a lion to eat straw, it would require significant changes in anatomy and physiology, changes that aren't naturally supported by their evolution.

Jesus is often referred to as the Lion of Judah. (RevelIation 5:5) The phrase "The lion shall lie down with the lamb" is often attributed to the Bible, but it actually doesn't appear there. The idea of course is: " 9They will neither harm nor destroy on all My holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the sea is full of water."

We know that the church age is coming to an end. The Kingdom age is beginning or soon to begin. There has been LOTS of wild and crazy speculation of HOW we transition from one to the next. But I am not convinced that anyone knows for sure. We are told that: "They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Actually I want through basic training. I thought the training was pretty neat. But I would not want to have to actually hurt anyone. I was not raised that way. If we have an army or not trillions of dollars will be saved on the cost of weapons for a cold war.

Do YOU think that there will be a physical return of Jesus for the Kingdom age or is this symbolic. We are told we will rule and reign with Him for 1,000 years. Whatever that means. "Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years." (Revelation 20:6)

Little Tyke: True Story of a Gentle Vegetarian Lioness

On the new earth the promise is there will be no death (of any kind) .... does state there will be animals on the new earth ... so logical to assume all will be vegetarians as originally created before the fall (because there will be no death) ... there's death in the world because there is sin in the world.

We are told we will rule and reign with Him for 1,000 years.

The 1,000 years is spent in heaven ... not on earth

The millennium is the thousand-year reign of Christ with His saints in heaven between the first and second resurrections. During this time the wicked dead will be judged; the earth will be utterly desolate, without living human inhabitants, but occupied by Satan and his angels. At its close Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven to earth. The unrighteous dead will then be resurrected, and with Satan and his angels will surround the city; but eternal fire from God will consume them and cleanse the earth. The universe will thus be freed of sin and sinners forever.

Diamond72 · Nov 2, 2024

eleos1954 said:
The 1,000 years is spent in heaven ... not on earth

So we rule and reign with Jesus from Heaven for 1,000 years?
He does not return to the earth for another 1,000 years?

eleos1954 · Nov 2, 2024

Diamond72 said:
So we rule and reign with Jesus from Heaven for 1,000 years?
He does not return to the earth for another 1,000 years?

When Jesus returns the 1st resurrection (the saved) happens and are taken to heaven ... the earth is left totally desolate (inhabitable).

1 Thessalonians 4. 16, 17.

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall he caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord."

2. What happens to the wicked? II Thessalonians 2:8; Revelation 20:5.

"And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming." "But the rest of the dead (2nd reserrection to come of the lost) did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

3. Where will the wicked remain during this period? Jeremiah 25:33.

"And at that day the slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth. They shall not be lamented, or gathered, or buried; they shall become refuse on the ground."

When Jesus was here the first time He did everything necessary for salvation ... until His return anyone can come to Him, accept Him as their Lord and savior and be saved (no matter who they are). What is left is judgement and His final execution of that judgement and then creating the new heavens and earth for His people.

Diamond72 · Nov 2, 2024

David Lamb said:
It's interesting that to start with, all animals were herbivores:

I do not want to eat animals anymore. The doctor put me through a program that was designed to teach us how dangerous it is to eat animal fat. People put up a fight and they would refuse to give up what they were eating. My brother had so many stints in him that his wrists were sore from all the surgery.

in 1 Samuel 2:12-17. "Now the sons of Eli were sons of Belial; they knew not the LORD."

This describes the sinful actions of Eli's sons, Hophni and Phinehas, who were priests.

Hophni and Phinehas would take portions of the sacrifices meant for God, including the fat, which was supposed to be burnt as an offering to God. This act was considered a serious violation of the sacrificial laws outlined in Leviticus.

Their actions were seen as contemptuous and led to God's severe judgment on Eli's family, highlighting the importance of respecting the sacred rituals.

trophy33 · Nov 3, 2024

It is a symbolic language and it has nothing to do with biology or evolution.

Problem solved.

God is called a lion and not an elephant in the bible exactly because lions are carnivores and dangerous, the top of the chain. Its not a bad or immoral thing or something to be "fixed".

Diamond72 · Nov 3, 2024

trophy33 said:
God is called a lion and not an elephant in the bible exactly because lions are carnivores and dangerous, the top of the chain. Its not a bad or immoral thing or something to be "fixed".

Everyone talks about how the first time Jesus came as the lamb of God. When He returns he will be the Lion of Judah. People talk about how the lion will lay down with the lamb, but the Bible does not talk about that.

The imagery of Jesus as the Lamb of God and the Lion of Judah is deeply embedded in Christian theology. The Bible explicitly describes Jesus as the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29), symbolizing His sacrificial role. In Revelation 5:5, He is also called the Lion of Judah, representing His power, authority, and kingship.

The specific phrase "the lion will lie down with the lamb" is often misquoted. The actual biblical passage is from Isaiah 11:6-9, which describes a future time of peace and harmony in the Messianic age:

> "The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them."

This passage symbolizes a restored creation where natural enemies coexist peacefully, reflecting the ultimate vision of universal peace and harmony under God's reign.

It's a powerful image that captures the essence of both Jesus' sacrificial love and His sovereign power.

trophy33 · Nov 3, 2024

Diamond72 said:
Everyone talks about how the first time Jesus came as the lamb of God. When He returns he will be the Lion of Judah. People talk about how the lion will lay down with the lamb, but the Bible does not talk about that.

The imagery of Jesus as the Lamb of God and the Lion of Judah is deeply embedded in Christian theology. The Bible explicitly describes Jesus as the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29), symbolizing His sacrificial role. In Revelation 5:5, He is also called the Lion of Judah, representing His power, authority, and kingship.

The specific phrase "the lion will lie down with the lamb" is often misquoted. The actual biblical passage is from Isaiah 11:6-9, which describes a future time of peace and harmony in the Messianic age:

> "The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them."

This passage symbolizes a restored creation where natural enemies coexist peacefully, reflecting the ultimate vision of universal peace and harmony under God's reign.

It's a powerful image that captures the essence of both Jesus' sacrificial love and His sovereign power.

I agree that its symbolic and that it is not about lions literally becoming herbivores. Ecosystem would collapse if there were no predators in nature and herbivores continued with unchanged multiplying rate.

Diamond72 · Nov 3, 2024

trophy33 said:
I agree that its symbolic and that it is not about lions literally becoming herbivores.

While the Bible uses the imagery of the lion and the lamb to symbolize peace and harmony in the Messianic age, it’s fascinating to consider real-world examples of different species coexisting peacefully. Indeed, there are cases where humans have successfully trained and socialized animals that are natural predators and prey to get along, such as cats and dogs living harmoniously together.

trophy33 · Nov 3, 2024

Diamond72 said:
While the Bible uses the imagery of the lion and the lamb to symbolize peace and harmony in the Messianic age, it’s fascinating to consider real-world examples of different species coexisting peacefully. Indeed, there are cases where humans have successfully trained and socialized animals that are natural predators and prey to get along, such as cats and dogs living harmoniously together.

Sure, many dogs live peacefully with other domesticated animals like chicken or ducks, even play with them or protect them.

It happens all the time, even in nature - if carnivores do not need to eat, they are frequently peaceful.

Diamond72 · Nov 3, 2024

trophy33 said:
It happens all the time, even in nature - if carnivores do not need to eat, they are frequently peaceful.

The exception is the wolf. In the wild they have never attacked anyone. But in captivity when they overcome their fear of people they are known to chew the leg off of a person. Not a good idea to try to domesticate a wolf. Although science has a theory that dogs came from wolves. But they admit that is more imagination than anything. We have science in fiction and we have fiction in science. But they claim to be able to tell them apart.

trophy33 · Nov 3, 2024

Diamond72 said:
The exception is the wolf. In the wild they have never attacked anyone. But in captivity when they overcome their fear of people they are known to chew the leg off of a person. Not a good idea to try to domesticate a wolf. Although science has a theory that dogs came from wolves. But they admit that is more imagination than anything. We have science in fiction and we have fiction in science. But they claim to be able to tell them apart.

Job 33:6 · Jan 7, 2025

Diamond72 said:
6The wolf will live with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the goat; the calf and young lion and fatling will be together, and a little child will lead them. 7The cow will graze with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. (Isaiah 11)

Lions are carnivores with teeth and digestive systems adapted to meat. For a lion to eat straw, it would require significant changes in anatomy and physiology, changes that aren't naturally supported by their evolution.

Jesus is often referred to as the Lion of Judah. (RevelIation 5:5) The phrase "The lion shall lie down with the lamb" is often attributed to the Bible, but it actually doesn't appear there. The idea of course is: " 9They will neither harm nor destroy on all My holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the sea is full of water."

We know that the church age is coming to an end. The Kingdom age is beginning or soon to begin. There has been LOTS of wild and crazy speculation of HOW we transition from one to the next. But I am not convinced that anyone knows for sure. We are told that: "They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Actually I want through basic training. I thought the training was pretty neat. But I would not want to have to actually hurt anyone. I was not raised that way. If we have an army or not trillions of dollars will be saved on the cost of weapons for a cold war.

Do YOU think that there will be a physical return of Jesus for the Kingdom age or is this symbolic. We are told we will rule and reign with Him for 1,000 years. Whatever that means. "Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years." (Revelation 20:6)

The animals protected from predation are those of the human domain. They are not representative of the broader animal kingdom:

Reneep · Jan 22, 2025

Eat straw / hay ? ... i think that is pretty easy if your the creator! So maybe the first way would be use lions and Tigers and bears that never fell. Since the unfallen world is just behind the vale. I think that is the easiest way to get there.
But if when he" subjected all creation to the fall in hope", means he plans to restore all creation also.. well that way might be a little more difficult for us to understand.
So if we look at the story of Daniel maybe we can take a clue from the reaction those lions had to the presence of the Son or even an angel. Non agressive.
but what he has taught me recently is that he can place glories and powers inside of a body. I can only assume this could include all creation. So Adam and Eve ' s glories and powers and authorities died at the fall leaving spaces ( as the devil did not invented posession, but God did ( but i think God calls his connections to us our Glories and graces).. so from the time of the fall , creations powers and authorities and whatever the opposite of glories are has allowed anti good... antiGod to rule over us.. and Our Maybe soul ties , maybe because we are not bonded to Father unless we ask the Son and spirit inside of us instead of our pride and sin and all they might be bonded to.
but now like a killer Cat , those when bonded to sin, sins and sinners and other fallen powers instead act like ravenous beasts.
. So I believe if Father can Imagine a hay eating cat, Father can do that ! maybe as easy as putting a calm sheep's spirit in large car. Or just create a new 4 stomach cat that chews it's cud. If Father can imagine it He can do it and the Son can speak it into being.

Aaron112 · Jan 22, 2025

Diamond72 said:
For a lion

Vegetarian Lion in California

There is a notable case of a vegetarian lion that did not eat meat during its entire life, but it was not in California. Little Tyke, an African lioness, was raised by Georges and Margaret Westbeau in America and lived from 1946 to 1955 without consuming any meat. She was fed a diet consisting of various grains, milk, and eggs. While this case is often cited in discussions about the possibility of carnivorous animals surviving on a vegetarian diet, it is important to note that Little Tyke was an exception and not representative of typical lion behavior.

Johan2222 · Feb 9, 2025

Diamond72 said:
6The wolf will live with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the goat; the calf and young lion and fatling will be together, and a little child will lead them. 7The cow will graze with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. (Isaiah 11)

Lions are carnivores with teeth and digestive systems adapted to meat. For a lion to eat straw, it would require significant changes in anatomy and physiology, changes that aren't naturally supported by their evolution.

Jesus is often referred to as the Lion of Judah. (RevelIation 5:5) The phrase "The lion shall lie down with the lamb" is often attributed to the Bible, but it actually doesn't appear there. The idea of course is: " 9They will neither harm nor destroy on all My holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the sea is full of water."

We know that the church age is coming to an end. The Kingdom age is beginning or soon to begin. There has been LOTS of wild and crazy speculation of HOW we transition from one to the next. But I am not convinced that anyone knows for sure. We are told that: "They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Actually I want through basic training. I thought the training was pretty neat. But I would not want to have to actually hurt anyone. I was not raised that way. If we have an army or not trillions of dollars will be saved on the cost of weapons for a cold war.

Do YOU think that there will be a physical return of Jesus for the Kingdom age or is this symbolic. We are told we will rule and reign with Him for 1,000 years. Whatever that means. "Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years." (Revelation 20:6)

This reminds me of the answer that the Pharisees gave to the man who Jesus healed from blindness by putting clay on his eyes and telling him to go and wash in the pool of Siloam.

John 9.15

Do you think a lion is more likely to be able to live on straw than an eye (blind from birth) is able to be healed by clay, even without God performing a miracle on it?

Question; Did God make Adam’s body vile?

Hopefully you know that the answer to that question is no.

How then do you think we became like this?

Philippians 3:21 KJV
Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

How do you think man became corrupted?

John 8:44 KJV
Ye are of your father the devil. . .

Genesis 6:1-2,4 KJV
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, [2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. [4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6 KJV
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Do you not think it strange that when Eve gave birth to Cain she thought that she had received a son from God?

Do you not think that the devil would have tried to persuade her of that if he was the father?

Do you not find it strange that nowhere in the Bible do we read that Adam begat Cain?

Do you not find it strange that the children of Israel found giants in the land of Cainan?

Romans 8:19-21 KJV
[20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, [21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

2 Timothy 3:5

What would be more difficult to do, to put all of the species of earths animals onto a boat 450 foot long and not only keep them alive for six months but stop them from killing each other, or for God to enable a lion to eat straw.

James 1:6

Ask God to forgive your doubts, my friend and to heal you from your unbelief for his mercy endures forever and he would have you to know the truth.

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