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"God doesn't owe you anything" is a destructive doctrine.

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Should we not hold God to honor His promises because if He is not faithful then who is He?
How do we claim the promises of God. The Law of Attraction people talk about manifesting. This can be positive or negative.

Claiming God's promises involves faith, understanding, and action. Here’s how you can approach it:
  1. Know the Promises: Dive into Scripture. Familiarize yourself with God’s promises. Verses like Jeremiah 29:11 and Philippians 4:19 are great starting points.
  2. Believe: Trust in God's character and His word. Faith is the foundation. Hebrews 11:1 highlights the essence of faith.
  3. Pray: Bring God's promises to Him in prayer. Remind Him and yourself of His word. Prayer strengthens your connection.
  4. Live Out the Promises: Align your actions with your faith. James 2:17 emphasizes that faith without works is dead.
  5. Patience: Trust in God’s timing. He fulfills His promises in His perfect time, as seen in Ecclesiastes 3:1.
The Law of Attraction is all about the idea that positive or negative thoughts bring positive or negative experiences into a person's life. Essentially, what you focus on, you attract. It’s about visualizing your goals, maintaining a positive mindset, and taking action toward what you want to manifest.

My dad was a doctor and he was a firm believer in the power of suggestion and the power of positive thinking.
 
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God always does what He says He is going to do. He declares the end from the beginning and He watches over His word to perform what He says He will do.

  • Isaiah 46:10: "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'"
  • Jeremiah 1:12: "The Lord said to me, 'You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled.'"
  • Numbers 23:19: "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"
Correct, but God promised a new earth, one without a temple, which would kind of preclude the popular idea of eternity being just us singing hymns forever in the temple of God around the throne. So for your idea of heaven to be correct, God would have to reneg on that promise and do something else.
 
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How do we claim the promises of God. The Law of Attraction people talk about manifesting. This can be positive or negative.

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Claiming God's promises involves faith, understanding, and action. Here’s how you can approach it:
  1. Know the Promises: Dive into Scripture. Familiarize yourself with God’s promises. Verses like Jeremiah 29:11 and Philippians 4:19 are great starting points.
  2. Believe: Trust in God's character and His word. Faith is the foundation. Hebrews 11:1 highlights the essence of faith.
  3. Pray: Bring God's promises to Him in prayer. Remind Him and yourself of His word. Prayer strengthens your connection.
  4. Live Out the Promises: Align your actions with your faith. James 2:17 emphasizes that faith without works is dead.
  5. Patience: Trust in God’s timing. He fulfills His promises in His perfect time, as seen in Ecclesiastes 3:1.
The Law of Attraction is all about the idea that positive or negative thoughts bring positive or negative experiences into a person's life. Essentially, what you focus on, you attract. It’s about visualizing your goals, maintaining a positive mindset, and taking action toward what you want to manifest.

My dad was a doctor and he was a firm believer in the power of suggestion and the power of positive thinking.
well it's not the law of attraction, there is no such law.
there's simply God promised, and God's character is to keep promises.
So you just rest in that.
 
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well it's not the law of attraction, there is no such law.
Like I said, my father was a medical doctor for 50 years. He firmly believed in the power of suggestion and the power of positive thinking. Some people call it the placebo effect. This is a part of just about every study that has ever been done. They have to have a control group to see if they can improve upon the results you get from a placebo.

The job of a coach is to motivate the players so you can get a better performance and hopefully win the game.

When Penicillin and antibiotics came out it was considered a miracle drug. They can get up to 95% rate of recover compared to 50% with a placebo.
 
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Like I said, my father was a medical doctor for 50 years. He firmly believed in the power of suggestion and the power of positive thinking. Some people call it the placebo effect. This is a part of just about every study that has ever been done. They have to have a control group to see if they can improve upon the results you get from a placebo.

The job of a coach is to motivate the players so you can get a better performance and hopefully win the game.

When Penicillin and antibiotics came out it was considered a miracle drug. They can get up to 95% rate of recover compared to 50% with a placebo.
God delivering on His promises has nothing to do with you, your mindset, your attitude, or suggestion.
It has everything to do with Him and His character.
That's why it's so important that He doesn't reneg on any of it, because it would reflect negatively on His character, it woul diminish His glory, make Him less worthy of praise, and frankly, earn distrust and suspicion of His intents and plans.

a back biting god would not be a god you would want to spend 24/7 worshiping anyway, even if he still maintained the power to send you to hell, that would just be you cowering in fear and "worshiping" out of fear that he would harm you.

When people try to convince me of their view of heaven, which doesn't line up with God's promises... that is the effect it can have on me, it plants doubt in my mind about God's character and nature and paints Him as someone who would "change their mind" and "alter the deal, pray I do not alter it any further", It inspires fear of God, without love and trust of God.

These are well meaning brothers and sisters, however when what they say involves God renegging on promises to do "something different" even if you claim it's "better" than what is actually promised in the bible, it throws shade on who God is, and makes the prospect of worshiping Him seem like a terrible thing done out of fear, because all I can come up with when the view of God is.. an all powerful being that changes His mind on a whim, and the only reflection I have to rate a creator's work, is this current, cursed creation, is "it could be worse, at least it's not hell"

For some people, this life and this world are full of blessings.
For others it's full of affliction.
For the first the perspective is your life is a mountain of blessings, and Jesus is at the top of it, you almost fell off the mountain and Jesus caught you and pulled you back up on the summit. For souch a person, it's easy to be thankful to the source of all those blessings.
For the second, life is a hole in the ground, and the hole descends all the way into hell and you just cling onto the edge to prevent falling, but everything around you is miserable with nothing good in sight, just danger and suffering. Jesus pulls you out of the hole, and you're thankful for that, but now what you see is the hole behind you and... flat empty ground to all sides. For that person, if all Jesus does is pull them out of the hole. It becomes easy to say "thanks but if I was never born I'd never be in that hole in the first place"

So God's promises, that the next Earth will not be a vast barren wasteland even to the person in the hole, is pretty important, because this current life and creation doesn't really generate thanksgiving, it can generate a desire to have never even been born.

Think of Job, that was literally his wish in his affliction in Job 3. He was suffering, and wished he'd never been born.
 
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God delivering on His promises has nothing to do with you
James 4:2 "You do not have because you do not ask God." You sound like a blend of hyper calvinism and virtual reality. Yo seem to think God is a puppet master and we are the puppets. That maybe true for animals, but that is not true for mankind.
When people try to convince me of their view of heaven, which doesn't line up with God's promises..
There are many many people who have had NDE. I have had dreams and visions of Heaven.
it can generate a desire to have never even been born.
Jesus does say for some people it would have been better for them not to be born. Matthew 26:24, "The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born."
 
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James 4:2 "You do not have because you do not ask God." You sound like a blend of hyper calvinism and virtual reality. Yo seem to think God is a puppet master and we are the puppets. That maybe true for animals, but that is not true for mankind.
That's not about God fulfilling promises that's about providence but in this world providence is not abundant, because the curse is still by the sweat of your brow will you eat bread.

I know, seek ye first the kingdom of God.. but that is about the New Earth as well, that is where the Kingdom of God will be. Right now yes, Christians do go without food, shelter, water, Christians get sick and die, Christians deal with chronic diseases and no amount of prayer heals them, Christians die in natural disasters, so while God does provide, it is not the "God will supply your every need" that is promised on the New Earth.

That's that last part of Isaiah 65
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
That is not current, that is New Earth. Right now this Earth is cursed and a large part of that curse is that God is NOT providing abundantly as He originally did in Eden and promises to on the New Earth. Part of the curse is to see what it is like when we are our own god, and have to make due on our own resources, to show our inadequacy. That curse still exists. You don't believe in Christ and instantly are not subject to a cursed world around you still.
Paul was still affected by the curse and he prayed for God to deliver him from his affliction, and God didn't do it. "my grace is sufficient" that doesn't mean God's grace healed Paul's ailment, it simply meant that Paul being forgiven for his sins and promised resurrection and life on New Earth would solve it, and it would be sufficient.
There are many many people who have had NDE. I have had dreams and visions of Heaven.
I don't put any stock in NDE's.
Jesus does say for some people it would have been better for them not to be born. Matthew 26:24, "The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born."
Job was not Judas, Job is saved, he knew he had a redeemer (Job 19 goes into this beautifully) but at the same time when Job was suffering, he still wished he had never been born. Elijah, a prophet of God begged God to just kill him and be done with it.
 
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make Him less worthy of praise
So God is worthy of praise because He is not a liar and He keeps His promises? I have been told that we have a covenant relationship with God. This means a contract that if we do our part, we can be sure that God will do His part. So when we know God's will, we can ask for what we know He wants to give us.

The Law of Attraction is a concept that suggests individuals can attract positive or negative experiences into their lives through their thoughts and intentions. It emphasizes the power of the mind and positive thinking to manifest good outcomes.

David and Paul tell us we are good if we follow the law of God, but righteousness comes though faith.
no amount of prayer heals them,

This is not true, you must not know HOW to pray. I learned a long time ago from Francis McNut that sometimes healing is slow and gradual over time. We do not always get instant miracles. The only way to prove a miracle is to go beyond the placebo effect. Even the FDA requires that you do better than a placebo. You seem to reject science and claim that placebos are of no effect.
 
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How do we claim the promises of God. The Law of Attraction people talk about manifesting. This can be positive or negative.

Claiming God's promises involves faith, understanding, and action. Here’s how you can approach it:
  1. Know the Promises: Dive into Scripture. Familiarize yourself with God’s promises. Verses like Jeremiah 29:11 and Philippians 4:19 are great starting points.
  2. Believe: Trust in God's character and His word. Faith is the foundation. Hebrews 11:1 highlights the essence of faith.
  3. Pray: Bring God's promises to Him in prayer. Remind Him and yourself of His word. Prayer strengthens your connection.
  4. Live Out the Promises: Align your actions with your faith. James 2:17 emphasizes that faith without works is dead.
  5. Patience: Trust in God’s timing. He fulfills His promises in His perfect time, as seen in Ecclesiastes 3:1.
The Law of Attraction is all about the idea that positive or negative thoughts bring positive or negative experiences into a person's life. Essentially, what you focus on, you attract. It’s about visualizing your goals, maintaining a positive mindset, and taking action toward what you want to manifest.

My dad was a doctor and he was a firm believer in the power of suggestion and the power of positive thinking.

Will this work for a Christian trying to claim Genesis 15:5 or Matthew 19:28 for himself?

Why or why not?
 
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So God is worthy of praise because He is not a liar and He keeps His promises? I have been told that we have a covenant relationship with God. This means a contract that if we do our part, we can be sure that God will do His part. So when we know God's will, we can ask for what we know He wants to give us.

The Law of Attraction is a concept that suggests individuals can attract positive or negative experiences into their lives through their thoughts and intentions. It emphasizes the power of the mind and positive thinking to manifest good outcomes.

David and Paul tell us we are good if we follow the law of God, but righteousness comes though faith.


This is not true, you must not know HOW to pray. I learned a long time ago from Francis McNut that sometimes healing is slow and gradual over time. We do not always get instant miracles. The only way to prove a miracle is to go beyond the placebo effect. Even the FDA requires that you do better than a placebo. You seem to reject science and claim that placebos are of no effect.

The law of attraction is new age mysticism.
 
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The law of attraction is new age mysticism.
New age means they are taking something old and trying to make it new. In this case we are talking about the Hindu and Buddhism. People in the Hood believe in Karma. But their belief is a far more simple version than the traditional religious belief.
 
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Will this work for a Christian trying to claim Genesis 15:5 or Matthew 19:28 for himself?

Why or why not?

What does karma have to do with multiple descendants? In many philosophical and religious traditions, karma is believed to have a significant impact on one's descendants. This has to do with a Epigenetic Perspective.

Some Christian teachings suggest that in the afterlife, individuals will be confronted with their own actions and conscience. The idea is that in the presence of divine truth, people will recognize their own sins and virtues.

In the hood, people are very much into the idea that people are judged for their bad Karma. What comes around goes around. Of course, these are multifaceted.
 
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What does karma have to do with multiple descendants? In many philosophical and religious traditions, karma is believed to have a significant impact on one's descendants. This has to do with a Epigenetic Perspective.

Some Christian teachings suggest that in the afterlife, individuals will be confronted with their own actions and conscience. The idea is that in the presence of divine truth, people will recognize their own sins and virtues.

In the hood, people are very much into the idea that people are judged for their bad Karma. What comes around goes around. Of course, these are multifaceted.

So can a Christian claim Genesis 15:5 or not? Are you answering my question?
 
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So can a Christian claim Genesis 15:5 or not? Are you answering my question?
They can but they would still have to have 12 children like everyone else. I have a friend that raised five kids and he already has 16 grand children.

  1. Ishmael: His first son, born to Hagar, Sarah's Egyptian maidservant. Ishmael is considered the ancestor of many Arab nations.
  2. Isaac: His second son, born to Sarah, his wife. Isaac is a central figure in the Abrahamic religions and the father of Jacob and Esau.
  3. Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah: These six sons were born to Abraham and Keturah, whom he married after Sarah's death.
Isaac and Ishmael are the most well-known of Abraham's children, with significant roles in biblical narratives. The children with Keturah are mentioned less frequently but are also part of Abraham's lineage.

As of 2023, the global Jewish population is approximately 15.7 million. In contrast, the global Muslim population is significantly larger, with around 1.9 billion adherents.
 
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Alright you really believe EVERY promise written in the bible is claimable by any christian.
We have a better covenant. Christians often believe that the spiritual principles behind these promises can apply to their lives. If we do our part, God will do His part.
 
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