Stupid California!

durangodawood · Jul 24, 2024

bèlla said:
Minimum wage hikes in California have led to price increases and greater forays into automation. This has been mentioned several times in business news. Here's a recent piece covering the sector.

~bella

Ideally, humans should not be doing any job so mindless that robot could do it.

(I will revisit this once robots have minds).

ozso · Jul 24, 2024

durangodawood said:
Ideally, humans should not be doing any job so mindless that robot could do it.

(I will revisit this once robots have minds).

They do have minds now. Given time robots will probably be able to perform brain surgery. Provided they don't kill us first.

durangodawood · Jul 24, 2024

Ceallaigh said:
They do have minds now. Given time robots will probably be able to perform brain surgery. Provided they don't kill us first.

Bold claim. I dont think every intellectual task requires a mind per se. I guess it depends on how you define mind. My sense is some proper consciousness is required. I do think we'll get there. Then things get interesting.

Larniavc · Jul 24, 2024

Occams Barber said:
Why do Americans always get their knickers in a knot when someone suggests an increase to the US minimum wage?

How can you look down on the poors if they start to be not the poors?

Hammster · Jul 24, 2024

Larniavc said:
How can you look down on the poors if they start to be not the poors?

How can the poor stop being poor if they get paid minimum wage?

iluvatar5150 · Jul 24, 2024

Larniavc said:
How can you look down on the poors if they start to be not the poors?

That really is the crux of it. Once you start comparing the subsidies, forgiven loans, and other government handouts that are considered acceptable vs those that aren't, it becomes apparent that they're largely divided along lines of whether the recipients are the right kind of people, worthy of being promoted by society.

Richard T · Jul 24, 2024

rambot said:
Southern California fast food jobs hit record high despite minimum wage hike

They cant even obey the laws of capitalism!!!

Fast food industry sees 2.2% increase in employment.

And look. The best thing is that workers are getting more money. Despite all the kvetching and all the rightwingers predicting doom because workers get a piece of rhr big mambo.

The American Right: More pointless friction against helping American worker since well, as long as necessary.

Perhaps the workers are seasonal? Or could it be more part-time workers and less full-time? Also perhaps the owners are not passing on the extra costs of labor yet?

JustOneWay · Jul 24, 2024

Hammster said:
How can the poor stop being poor if they get paid minimum wage?

Free education in order to pick up new skills for better pay.

Hammster · Jul 24, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
That really is the crux of it. Once you start comparing the subsidies, forgiven loans, and other government handouts that are considered acceptable vs those that aren't, it becomes apparent that they're largely divided along lines of whether the recipients are the right kind of people, worthy of being promoted by society.

There’s no such thing as a forgiven loan. That loan is paid for by someone.

Hammster · Jul 24, 2024

JustOneWay said:
Free education in order to pick up new skills for better pay.

There’s no such thing as free education.

JustOneWay · Jul 24, 2024

Hammster said:
There’s no such thing as a forgiven loan. That loan is paid for by someone.

Forgiven for the individual who owe the money. The loss is written off of the ledger.

JustOneWay · Jul 24, 2024

Hammster said:
There’s no such thing as free education.

Wrong. I worked a minimum wage job as an apprentice and my education was free to me.

Hammster · Jul 24, 2024

JustOneWay said:
Forgiven for the individual who owe the money. The loss is written off of the ledger.

Yes. Someone has to pay for it.

Hammster · Jul 24, 2024

JustOneWay said:
Wrong.

No, it’s true. Unless, of course, it’s coerced. That might be free.

durangodawood · Jul 24, 2024

Hammster said:
Yes. Someone has to pay for it.

Thats what "forgiven loan" means. The lender forgives the debt and chalks up the loss. The borrower is relieved from obligation to pay back. Thats what it means and it exists. Denying it is silly.

JustOneWay · Jul 24, 2024

Hammster said:
No, it’s true. Unless, of course, it’s coerced. That might be free.

Wrong again. I personally received free education while working minimum wage. Your angle is that nothing is free, and the argument is not working for you.

iluvatar5150 · Jul 24, 2024

Hammster said:
There’s no such thing as a forgiven loan. That loan is paid for by someone.

Oh?

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

You may have seen that on a pillow or some needlepoint somewhere.

JustOneWay · Jul 24, 2024

durangodawood said:
Thats what "forgiven loan" means. The lender forgives the debt and chalks up the loss. The borrower is relieved from obligation to pay back. Thats what it means and it exists. Denying it is silly.

In other words, basic accounting methods used in all businesses.

JustOneWay · Jul 24, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
Oh?

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

You may have seen that on a pillow or some needlepoint somewhere.

Forgiveness is not free....somebody has to pay!

iluvatar5150 · Jul 24, 2024

JustOneWay said:
Forgiveness is not free....somebody has to pay!

Jesus paid!

Stupid California!

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