A Key to Unity in American Politics

rjs330 said:

Why would you have resentment and bitterness toward the one you promised to love and cherish for your whole life?

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I'd like to introduce you to the complicated world of human emotions. Have been in any relationships?

rjs330 said:

Why would you have resentment and bitterness toward the one you promised to love and cherish for your whole life? You loved them once. Is love only a fleeting emotion or is it something more?

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Because the lust wears off and life happens. I do remember my fights and so do my kids. I feel love is developed through time. Remember high school, most don't end up marrying their high school sweetheart but the same feelings were felt.

Larniavc said:

I'd like to introduce you to the complicated world of human emotions. Have been in any relationships?

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Yes a number of them. But love is a commitment. Children are extremely damaged by divorce. They learn about commitment and love from marriage. If mom and dad can't teach them what it means to love each other through the ups and downs of emotions and stay committed to the one you promised to stay committed to, it makes it very difficult for them to be committed.
Aside from abusive parents there is little else that will damage a kid more than divorce in my opinion. I've seen it in action more times than I care to count.

rjs330 said:

Yes a number of them. But love is a commitment. Children are extremely damaged by divorce. They learn about commitment and love from marriage. If mom and dad can't teach them what it means to love each other through the ups and downs of emotions and stay committed to the one you promised to stay committed to, it makes it very difficult for them to be committed.
Aside from abusive parents there is little else that will damage a kid more than divorce in my opinion. I've seen it in action more times than I care to count.

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Yes, there is no doubt that divorce can be damaging to the children involved. But I don't see any reason that the couple needs to rehash the whole thing in front of a magistrate so he can blame one or the other of the parties. That is stressful, too.

Vambram said:

That is a fair point concerning voting and electoral process. Would you recognize that there is a legitimate point of view which asks questions while also bringing up data and/or facts concerning the different ways that the voting & electoral processes changed in 2020 through 2024?

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Not when the point of view suddenly changes when the questions are asked in venues which have legal penalties for not telling the truth - such as the various failed attempts to sell that point of view in court.

rjs330 said:

Children are extremely damaged by divorce.

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Not much as being brought up in a dysfunctional house hold. And it teaches young people that you don’t have to settle for a loveless marriage.

But let’s take the example of a loveless marriage with no kids. There is no reason not to support no fault divorces.

Or when both parents separate amicably and share custody. Where is the beef?

rjs330 said:

They learn about commitment and love from marriage.

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Not so. My two close friends have been bringing their two kids up very well and are unmarried.

It is more important that the couple with children be in a living relationship than be married.

Laodicean60 said:

Because the lust wears off and life happens. I do remember my fights and so do my kids. I feel love is developed through time. Remember high school, most don't end up marrying their high school sweetheart but the same feelings were felt.

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You are right real love grows over time. So does bitterness and hatred. It depends on what you feed it. Of you think it's the other persons job to feed it, you are doing it wrong. How you think is how you act. If you think about loving the person you will act loving to that person. Love is not just the feeling you have.

Larniavc said:

Not much as being brought up in a dysfunctional house hold. And it teaches young people that you don’t have to settle for a loveless marriage.

But let’s take the example of a loveless marriage with no kids. There is no reason not to support no fault divorces.

Or when both parents separate amicably and share custody. Where is the beef?

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Amicable or not kids are damaged by the break up of their family.

Research published by sociologist Lisa Strohschein showed that, even before marital breakup, children whose parents later divorce exhibit higher levels of anxiety, depression, and antisocial behavior than peers whose parents remain married. There is a further increase in anxiety and depression in children when parents do divorce. U.S.-based psychologist Sharlene Wolchik and colleagues found that parental divorce is associated with significant risks for children and adolescents, including substance abuse and addictions, mental and physical health problems, and poor educational outcomes.

The research is there. I'm not talking about dysfunctional abusive families. Not every family rhat breaks up is dysfunctional.

The argument for divorce from a loveless marriage is an argument from pure selfishness. There is no such thing as a loveless marriage. Somebody was extremely selfish and maybe two people were. Love is not about you it's about the other person and how you treat them and how you commit to them. Man I could go on and on. Love is a commitment to the person to love them forever. The easy button today is divorce. And it most definitely harms the kids.

rjs330 said:

You are right real love grows over time. So does bitterness and hatred. It depends on what you feed it. Of you think it's the other persons job to feed it, you are doing it wrong. How you think is how you act. If you think about loving the person you will act loving to that person. Love is not just the feeling you have.

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That's all quite true, but sometimes marriages do fail. Why do you think it is necessary for a civil magistrate to decide which party was at fault?

AlexB23 said:

So, would any of you guys be willing to go with a 3rd party, pro-life Catholic, if both sides are not showing us empathy?

I know Catholics and Protestants differ when it comes to church traditions, but we all believe that Jesus died for our sins (John 3:16, 1 Corinthians 5:3), and that Christ will return again (Hebrews 9:28, Revelation 1:7).

Similarities between Protestants and Catholics (PDF):

https://www.northcoastcalvary.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Class-3-Shared-Beliefs-between-Roman-Catholics-and-Protestants-Handout.pdf

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My main disagreement with the Solidarity Party is mostly over capital punishment. Ideally, I think a party dedicated to ending abortion should be neutral on the death penalty and guns.

rjs330 said:

There is no such thing as a loveless marriage.

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What about a marriage where they don't love each other? How does that not qualify as a loveless marriage? People can't be forced to be in love.

rjs330 said:

Research published by sociologist Lisa Strohschein showed that, even before marital breakup, children whose parents later divorce exhibit higher levels of anxiety, depression, and antisocial behavior than peers whose parents remain married.

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What that shows is that kids in a home where two married people not getting on enough that divorce will at some point happen show higher levels of anxiety and depression. I'm not saying that divorce is not rough on kids but living with parents in a loveless marriage is worse.

rjs330 said:

Love is a commitment to the person to love them forever.

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No it isn't. You are conflating love with Christian marriage vows.

BCP1928 said:

Yes, there is no doubt that divorce can be damaging to the children involved. But I don't see any reason that the couple needs to rehash the whole thing in front of a magistrate so he can blame one or the other of the parties. That is stressful, too.

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Yes, but if the limitations are clear, such as abuse, adultery that sort of thing then it should be able to be done without the kids present.

JustOneWay said:

You are the one who says that you and ALL the men you know despise abuse. How many people? A few hundred? A thousand? You minimize the issue based on a small circle of friends.

Why are you so defensive? All I am asking is where is the empathy from the right regarding women when all they seem to want to do is put them back in the kitchen and return the country back to the 50's.

I thought this thread was about trying to be more empathetic?

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All I see is someone making a threshold of off topic posts in what could be a lovely thread.

This is what hurts unity and empathy. I am disabled because I was abused but I know factually I would have rather read a thread on unity than all these many off topic posts.

Larniavc said:

What that shows is that kids in a home where two married people not getting on enough that divorce will at some point happen show higher levels of anxiety and depression. I'm not saying that divorce is not rough on kids but living with parents in a loveless marriage is worse.

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But the real question is, why should the couple have to prove to a civil magistrate in open court that one of the two was the one at fault?

9Rock9 said:

My main disagreement with the Solidarity Party is mostly over capital punishment. Ideally, I think a party dedicated to ending abortion should be neutral on the death penalty.

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For myself, if I want to be pro-life, I will be pro-life all the way, not halfway. So, yes, I would rather go the full mile.

Consistent Life Ethic (CLE):

rjs330 said:

Yes, but if the limitations are clear, such as abuse, adultery that sort of thing then it should be able to be done without the kids present.

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It should be able to be done by mutual consent. What's the point of a hearing? Why does that make divorce better? It makes it more expensive and stirs up more acrimony. Is that what you want?