The Republican Embracing of a Felon, is a Disaster

Landon Caeli · Jul 23, 2024

Whyayeman said:
It is not snobbish to want criminals punished.

Nobody disagrees, but the conversation we're having here in this thread is based on ostracising Trump based on his criminal record, *outside* of what the law has required.

...You claim to not want any part in that, but the tone of this thread suggests that many do! That's the opposite of being a genuine, down-to-earth person.

essentialsaltes · Jul 23, 2024

Landon Caeli said:
Nobody disagrees, but the conversation we're having here in this thread is based on ostracising Trump based on his criminal record, *outside* of what the law has required.

It's not snobbish to not want crooks in the White House. Drain the Swamp!

wing2000 · Jul 23, 2024

Landon Caeli said:
Here in America, 1/3 of the population has a criminal record. So when a party tries to ostracize someone, because of their criminal record, they are essentially insulting 1/3 of the population here, who likely also suffer from being ostracized for their own criminal records... That’s a lot of people!

But possibly many of those with criminal backgrounds won't notice, or won't mind? Perhaps they're not smart enough to see what's happening - that they're contributing to their own demise by shaming themselves indirectly by playing along? If the left wants to take that chance, then by all means, go ahead and run with it and find out.

SOURCE:
"Nearly 1 in 3 adults in the United States has a criminal arrest record that often serves as a barrier to housing, employment, and a range of social services."

Tenant Screening With Criminal Background Checks: Predictions And Perceptions Are Not Causality | HUD USER

Is that an argument for electing a felon to be POTUS?

Landon Caeli · Jul 23, 2024

wing2000 said:
Is that an argument for electing a felon to be POTUS?

And that's the message you want to send out to all your supporters..? That like Trump, many of you too should be ostracized from assuming higher positions in society... "Many of you are no-good's, just like Trump".

Like I said earlier, go ahead and try that. See what happens. I'm curious myself where it'll take you.

Landon Caeli · Jul 23, 2024

essentialsaltes said:
It's not snobbish to not want crooks in the White House. Drain the Swamp!

Half your voter base have criminal records. See how excited that message gets them on election day.

...But if you shoot yourself in the foot, don't say I didn't warn you.

Whyayeman · Jul 23, 2024

Landon Caeli said:
Half your voter base have criminal records. See how excited that message gets them on election day.

I don't think that can be true, surely? But if it is it explains much about your country!

I mentioned PM Boris Johnson just now. He had a £100 ticket for being too near other people at a party in his office building. That constitutes a criminal record, but it was not what you call a felony. It was not fraud (though he did lie about it), sexual assault, rape or tax evasion.

Your crime figures are misleading. Not all crimes are the same.

essentialsaltes · Jul 23, 2024

Landon Caeli said:
Half your voter base have criminal records. See how excited that message gets them on election day.

I think most felons have come to terms with the fact that their conviction would represent a bit of a black mark if they chose to run for President of the United States. (also presuming they can vote)

Landon Caeli said:
...But if you shoot yourself in the foot, don't say I didn't warn you.

If the GOP wants to "Back the Felon", so much the better.

Landon Caeli · Jul 23, 2024

Whyayeman said:
I don't think that can be true, surely? But id it is it explains much about your country!

I mentioned PM Boris Johnson just now. He had a £100 ticket for being too near other people at a party in his office building. That constitutes a criminal record, but it was not what you call a felony. It was not fraud (though he did lie about it), sexual assault, rape of tax evasion.

Your crime figures are misleading. Not all crimes are the same.

"professors from the University of Pennsylvania and Stanford University, found that in some states, felons register Democratic by more than six-to-one. In New York, for example, 61.5 percent of convicts are Democrats, just 9 percent Republican. They also cited a study that found 73 percent of convicts who turn out for presidential elections would vote Democrat."

Jail survey: 7 in 10 felons register as Democrats - Washington Examiner

A new study of how criminals vote found that most convicts register Democratic, a key reason in why liberal lawmakers and governors are eager for them to get back into the voting booth after their release. “Democrats would benefit from additional ex-felon participation,” said the authoritative...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

...Now imagine offending these voters to the point they no longer feel motivated to vote. Would it have been worth it?

essentialsaltes · Jul 23, 2024

Landon Caeli said:
"professors from the University of Pennsylvania and Stanford University, found that in some states, felons register Democratic by more than six-to-one. In New York, for example, 61.5 percent of convicts are Democrats,

If true, that does not imply that 61.5 percent of Democrats are felons.

wing2000 · Jul 23, 2024

Landon Caeli said:
And that's the message you want to send out to all your supporters..? That like Trump, many of you too should be ostracized from assuming higher positions in society... "Many of you are no-good's, just like Trump".

Like I said earlier, go ahead and try that. See what happens. I'm curious myself where it'll take you.

From what I understand, it's the Republicans who are opposed to having convicted felons vote in elections.

Landon Caeli · Jul 23, 2024

wing2000 said:
From what I understand, it's the Republicans who are opposed to having convicted felons vote in elections.

From the way it appears, however, democrats only want to use felons for their vote, and then ostracize them and insult them behind their backs.

Whyayeman · Jul 23, 2024

wing2000 said:
From what I understand, it's the Republicans who are opposed to having convicted felons vote in elections.

Sound social policy right there. Felons shouldn't vote but they can be voted for.

Whyayeman · Jul 23, 2024

Landon Caeli said:
From the way it appears, however, democrats only want to use felons for their vote, and then ostracize them and insult them behind their backs.

It does not appear like that at all. You were desperate to denigrate Ms Harris - and look where it is getting you. There is nothing anywhere on this thread (or anywhere else, I dare say) to justify that idea.

The Harris nomination is spooking Republicans - and it hasn't even happened yet!

Landon Caeli · Jul 23, 2024

Whyayeman said:
It does not appear like that at all. You were desperate to denigrate Ms Harris - and look where it is getting you. There is nothing anywhere on this thread (or anywhere else, I dare say) to justify that idea.

The Harris nomination is spooking Republicans - and it hasn't even happened yet!

I see what you're doing there. LOL.

...But you went too far into left field with it. Actually it's off the field entirely, across the parking lot and into the next town.

Whyayeman · Jul 23, 2024

Landon Caeli said:
I see what you're doing there. LOL.

...But you went too far into left field with it. Actually it's off the field entirely, across the parking lot and into the next town.

We shall see. Already one poll has indicated Harris to be two points behind Trump and she is not the nominee yet. Of course Trump and his fervid followers are worried. They would be stupid not to be.

o_mlly · Jul 23, 2024

Stephen3141 said:
The Republican choice for a presidential candidate convicted of felonies, is having its effect.

To continue down this path, means that the Republican Party will have to start asserting that the fair rule of law in America, is something that can be discarded, whenever they wish.

Continuing to support Trump, is a disastrous choice.

The Christian choice for Christ convicted of felonies, is having its effect.

To continue down this path, means that the Christians will have to start asserting that the fair rule of law in America, is something that can be retained, whenever they wish.

Continuing to support Christ, is a disastrous choice.

Whyayeman · Jul 23, 2024

o_mlly said:
The Christian choice for Christ convicted of felonies, is having its effect.

To continue down this path, means that the Christians will have to start asserting that the fair rule of law in America, is something that can be retained, whenever they wish.

Continuing to support Christ, is a disastrous choice.

I thought the offence was Blasphemy.

The Jewish leaders were looking for false evidence against Jesus to have him put to death, but they could not find any. Eventually, Caiaphas demanded of Jesus “Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.” Jesus answered him, “So you say. But I tell all of you: from this time on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right side of the Almighty and coming on the clouds of heaven!” Caiaphas declared this was blasphemy, so the guilty verdict was passed. Then they spat in Jesus’ face and beat him.

Jesus’ trial before the Sanhedrin - The death of Jesus - CCEA - GCSE Religious Studies Revision - CCEA - BBC Bitesize

Revision notes for GCSE CCEA Religious Studies - the death and resurrection of Jesus

www.bbc.co.uk

o_mlly · Jul 23, 2024

Whyayeman said:
I thought the offence was Blasphemy.

In Jewish law, blasphemy was a capital crime deserving the death penalty. Ancient Jewish las did not divide crimes into misdemeanors or felonies. So, equivalently a crime that warrants the death penalty is a felony.

Do you know of any misdemeanors in UK or USA law that warrant a death penalty? I don't think so. Thanks for trying though.

Hans Blaster · Jul 23, 2024

o_mlly said:
In Jewish law, blasphemy was a capital crime deserving the death penalty. Ancient Jewish las did not divide crimes into misdemeanors or felonies. So, equivalently a crime that warrants the death penalty is a felony.

Do you know of any misdemeanors in UK or USA law that warrant a death penalty? I don't think so. Thanks for trying though.

And blasphemy is not a crime at all in the US, so it isn't relevant.

Stephen3141 · Jul 23, 2024

o_mlly said:
The Christian choice for Christ convicted of felonies, is having its effect.

To continue down this path, means that the Christians will have to start asserting that the fair rule of law in America, is something that can be retained, whenever they wish.

Continuing to support Christ, is a disastrous choice.

What does a political race in America, have to do with Christ
being on trial before a Roman governor???

Christ was not running for a political position, in the Roman Empire.

My evaluation of Trump, is based on the Judea-Christian moral-ethical
model. It is an evaluation from a Christian point of view.

I have no idea what your argument means.

The Republican Embracing of a Felon, is a Disaster

Well-Known Member

Stranger in a Strange Land

E pluribus unum

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Stranger in a Strange Land

Well-Known Member

Stranger in a Strange Land

E pluribus unum

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

E pluribus unum

Well-Known Member

Similar threads