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Jacob and Esau- A Double Irony?

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There is enough perceived ambiguity in the Bible that 10 people can walk away with ten interpretations of the same Passages. To those who put God’s Words in writing, they must have found it easier to follow the old saying, ‘The less said the better.’ After all, the more that is said, the greater the chance of the holy writers digging themselves into a hole, making the Passages meaningless even in terms of being deciphered. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 tells us that all scripture is breathed out by God for our teaching, correction, training and reproof that a person of God may be equipped for every good work. But man’s ability to understand what is in the Bible goes just so far, and perhaps God, and the writers who were inspired by God, settled for a message that the individual would find easier to relate to their own experiences, using their mental capacity to decipher same.

One of the things the bible teaches is God’s version of morality. To God, morality includes loving Him with all our heart, soul and mind, and loving our neighbor as we love ourself. In terms of morality, everything that emanates from the Bible are from those two precepts. So, when we come across Verses dealing with Jacob and Esau, one might question where the true morality lays.

The key thing about Jacob and Esau is that at the end of the day their father Isaac conveys his blessing on Jacob in Genesis 27:27, after he was purposely led by Jacob and his mother Rebekkah to believe that Jacob, whom he ended up blessing, was Esau.

Now most God-fearing people from that time forward have gotten from the Bible that to deceive is a sin. Leviticus 19:11 says not to steal, deal falsely, and to lie to one another. Jacob committed all three in obtaining Isaac’s blessing upon him. And to be sure, Colossians 3:9 says to not lie to one another. What to make of Jacob’s actions here in the Bible? Does the Bible explain why Leviticus 19:11, which was among other laws handed to Moses by God, was necessary? One would be hard-pressed to believe that what Jacob and his mother did was within the moral bounds that the Bible lays out. Yet it appears that Jacob, in later Passages in the OT, had received God’s whole-hearted approval considering He made the Hebrews members of the House of Jacob and he put the future of the Hebrews on the shoulders of Jacob and his House including the Twelve Tribes which came from Jacob’s twelve sons.

One might ask at this point what God had against Esau that He would let Jacob pretend to be Esau in getting Isaac’s only blessing which was meant for Esau. Was God angry at Esau for giving his birthright to Jacob in Genesis 25:29-34 in exchange for something to eat? Here, Esau, exhausted from being in the field, says to his brother to give him food. Instead of being a good brother to Esau, let alone being a good neighbor if he wasn’t a brother to him, says, ‘you want my food? Give me your birthright.’

And as we see, God is not mad at Jacob for placing conditions on Esau in exchange for food, but instead, later on, He apparently approves of the deception Jacob and his mother laid on Isaac to confer his blessing to Jacob instead of Esau. What is a birthright to God? Did God see Esau’s giving up his birthright as giving up God Himself? After all, all childbirths are acts of God. Whoever was born, was planned that way by God who knew them before they were in their mother’s womb as implied by Jeremiah 1:5. It may lead one to perceive that perhaps Esau’s giving up his birthright is as much an abomination to God as a premeditated abortion, and that whatever deception concocted by Jacob and his mother, pales in comparison as far as any semblance of immorality goes.

Romans 8:28 says that for those who love God, all things work together for good, for those who were called according to His Purpose. Those things can fall heavily and in the worst way on those whom God perceives as not loving Him. So Esau spends much of his life that followed, away from civilization and living by his sword as described in Genesis 27:39-40. Thoughts?
 

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There is enough perceived ambiguity in the Bible that 10 people can walk away with ten interpretations of the same Passages. To those who put God’s Words in writing, they must have found it easier to follow the old saying, ‘The less said the better.’ After all, the more that is said, the greater the chance of the holy writers digging themselves into a hole, making the Passages meaningless even in terms of being deciphered. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 tells us that all scripture is breathed out by God for our teaching, correction, training and reproof that a person of God may be equipped for every good work. But man’s ability to understand what is in the Bible goes just so far, and perhaps God, and the writers who were inspired by God, settled for a message that the individual would find easier to relate to their own experiences, using their mental capacity to decipher same.

One of the things the bible teaches is God’s version of morality. To God, morality includes loving Him with all our heart, soul and mind, and loving our neighbor as we love ourself. In terms of morality, everything that emanates from the Bible are from those two precepts. So, when we come across Verses dealing with Jacob and Esau, one might question where the true morality lays.

The key thing about Jacob and Esau is that at the end of the day their father Isaac conveys his blessing on Jacob in Genesis 27:27, after he was purposely led by Jacob and his mother Rebekkah to believe that Jacob, whom he ended up blessing, was Esau.

Now most God-fearing people from that time forward have gotten from the Bible that to deceive is a sin. Leviticus 19:11 says not to steal, deal falsely, and to lie to one another. Jacob committed all three in obtaining Isaac’s blessing upon him. And to be sure, Colossians 3:9 says to not lie to one another. What to make of Jacob’s actions here in the Bible? Does the Bible explain why Leviticus 19:11, which was among other laws handed to Moses by God, was necessary? One would be hard-pressed to believe that what Jacob and his mother did was within the moral bounds that the Bible lays out. Yet it appears that Jacob, in later Passages in the OT, had received God’s whole-hearted approval considering He made the Hebrews members of the House of Jacob and he put the future of the Hebrews on the shoulders of Jacob and his House including the Twelve Tribes which came from Jacob’s twelve sons.

One might ask at this point what God had against Esau that He would let Jacob pretend to be Esau in getting Isaac’s only blessing which was meant for Esau. Was God angry at Esau for giving his birthright to Jacob in Genesis 25:29-34 in exchange for something to eat? Here, Esau, exhausted from being in the field, says to his brother to give him food. Instead of being a good brother to Esau, let alone being a good neighbor if he wasn’t a brother to him, says, ‘you want my food? Give me your birthright.’

And as we see, God is not mad at Jacob for placing conditions on Esau in exchange for food, but instead, later on, He apparently approves of the deception Jacob and his mother laid on Isaac to confer his blessing to Jacob instead of Esau. What is a birthright to God? Did God see Esau’s giving up his birthright as giving up God Himself? After all, all childbirths are acts of God. Whoever was born, was planned that way by God who knew them before they were in their mother’s womb as implied by Jeremiah 1:5. It may lead one to perceive that perhaps Esau’s giving up his birthright is as much an abomination to God as a premeditated abortion, and that whatever deception concocted by Jacob and his mother, pales in comparison as far as any semblance of immorality goes.
Romans 8:28 says that for those who love God, all things work together for good, for those who were called according to His Purpose. Those things can fall heavily and in the worst way on those whom God perceives as not loving Him. So Esau spends much of his life that followed, away from civilization and living by his sword as described in Genesis 27:39-40. Thoughts?
My thoughts are Ro 9:14-24.
 
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My thoughts are Ro 9:14-24.
These Verses infer that unlike man whom God binds with the yoke of morality, God does what God does. Those who try to reason what He does, need not apply.

If we take these Verses literally, there is no teaching moment in God’s treatment of Esau and Jacob; it’s just another Tale of God in the Bible, and if we take these Verses literally, here it is a waste of time to seek a moral.

But we still have Romans 8:28, which provides a lesson implied by the above Verses ...which is that at the end of the day, for those who love God, things turn out for good regardless of what happens to the actors up to that point. In Jacob’s case, at the end of the day he created the Twelve Tribes whom God conferred His love upon, to the extent of His Patience sometimes. And Jesus comes from that same genealogy.
 
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These Verses infer that unlike man whom God binds with the yoke of morality, God does what God does. Those who try to reason what He does, need not apply.

If we take these Verses literally, there is no teaching moment in God’s treatment of Esau and Jacob; it’s just another Tale of God in the Bible, and if we take these Verses literally, here it is a waste of time to seek a moral.
Who made the rule that every Biblical account contains a moral?
What higher moral than God is sovereign over all, he does as he pleases, and no one can say to him, "What have you done?" (Da 4:35).
But we still have Romans 8:28, which provides a lesson implied by the above Verses ...which is that at the end of the day,
for those who love God,
It is those who are called to his purpose that love God (Ro 8:28) because God foreknew and predestined them to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he (the Son) might be the firstborn among many brothers.
 
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Who made the rule that every Biblical account contains a moral?
2 Timothy 3:16-17. The Bible teaches morals. Moral is defined as "relating to the standards of good or bad behavior, fairness, honesty, etc. that each person believes in, rather than to laws." Each person who has love and faith in God believes in Him. The NT may teach that if we love and have faith in God, we need not focus on the Laws of the OT. Nevertheless, any connection we have with God binds us to morals.
 
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