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The Strong's Deception

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I have outlined seven churches in a previous thread here...


I am left wondering if each church congregation has their own unique version of scripture?

1. Ephesus - Messianic - Challenging post interpretations - In which they have a right to do!
2. Smyrna - Oriental Orthodox - The Book of Enoch was a long time in the hands of Ethiopians
3. Pergamos - Greek Orthodox - The Septuagint
4. Thyatira - Catholic - Originally the Latin Nova Vulgata
5. Sardis - Protestant - Many versions translated from previous versions
6. Philadelphia - Wesleyan - Many versions translated from previous versions
7. Laodicean - Word of Faith - Many versions translated from previous versions

I personally read the King James Version along with the Strong's Concordance. I cannot fault the Messianic for challenging the meaning of scripture as we have so many interpretations out there.
 
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I personally read the King James Version along with the Strong's Concordance. I cannot fault the Messianic for challenging the meaning of scripture as we have so many interpretations out there.
I'm not challenging scripture. I'm questioning interpretations.
 
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H1787 - דישון - 1 Chronicles 1:38 ודישן

H1788 - דישן - Deuteronomy 14:5 ודישן

דישן


H1788. H1789

Again no telling how many of these errors I have missed, without going over every single entry.
 
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אב

H1, H2, H3, H4

אבד

H6, H7, H8, H9


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Notice that in Ex 10:7 that H6 is assigned to אבדה. This word is built on אבד. Adding the ה suffix renders this word in the feminine singular. Strong's H9 is אבדה. I can see that this study is quickly turning into a tangled mess.

H10

It's more tangled than I thought just a moment ago.

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אבדון

H11


I can see right now that this study is going to consume quite a bit of time.
I use a Bible program called e-sword and the "Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionary" available in the program might be useful in your research. The download is free.

Regarding-
"אב

H1, H2, H3, H4"

H1 is Hebrew and means "Father"
H2 is Chaldee (which part of the Bible is written in) and means "Father"
H3 is Hebrew and is translated as "greenness" and "fruit" in these KJV verses:
Whilst it is yet in his greenness, and not cut down, it withereth before any other herb. (Job 8:12)
I went down into the garden of nuts to see the fruits of the valley, and to see whether the vine flourished, and the pomegranates budded. (Son 6:11)
How a father is connected to a green plant and fruits, I'll let you figure out for yourself.
 
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H3 is Hebrew and is translated as "greenness" and "fruit" in these KJV verses:
Whilst it is yet in his greenness, and not cut down, it withereth before any other herb. (Job 8:12)
I went down into the garden of nuts to see the fruits of the valley, and to see whether the vine flourished, and the pomegranates budded. (Son 6:11)
How a father is connected to a green plant and fruits, I'll let you figure out for yourself.

Probably related to the unused root for abib, (or aviv, if you prefer).
 
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Yes. And the words are also connected like "how is a father like a green plant?" And "what is the connection of a father to "fruit"?"

It seems that you may have a good idea for what that means: if so, I would much like to hear your view on it. :)
 
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I use a Bible program called e-sword and the "Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionary"
Strong recorded how King James, and crew, defined these words. We have much greater resources these days than in the times of King James.

I gather great insight from the work of Jeff Benner, as I continue to grow in my understanding of Ancient Hebrew.
 
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Yes. And the words are also connected like "how is a father like a green plant?" And "what is the connection of a father to "fruit"?"
Yes, the otiot have meaning; and they build on each other. Ancient Hebrew is a amazing language, as we begin to comprehend its' depth. I strive to change the way that I think, having been raised in a world of Greek influence, to think more like a Ancient Hebrew.
 
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It seems that you may have a good idea for what that means: if so, I would much like to hear your view on it. :)
Well, I'll try. :) H3 translated as "greenness" (Job 8:12)) and "fruit" (Song 6:11) connected to the word for "father" -
Fathers produce "fruit", which can mean children, but fathers produce "fruit" meaning what comes from oneself. (For the idea of "what comes from oneself" see Matt. 7:15-20 for example. )
Keeping that in mind, the first example in Job 8, where the word is translated as "greenness" you might want to read the whole chapter.

The second verse using H3-
Son 6:11 I went down into the garden of nuts to see the "fruits" of the valley, and to see whether the vine flourished, and the pomegranates budded.
Song of songs is about good fruits. Our Fathers "fruit", and how we become His "fruit":
Mat 5:43-45 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. (44) But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; (45) That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
 
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