Moon light - the word of God vs falsely so called science

AV1611VET said:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I don't care how well established they claim it is.

It's only established on paper.

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As written in the geology of the Earth itSelf, there was no Noah's flood. You understand that truth which is the why of your story line that God cleaned up His mess after the supposed world wide Noah's flood. That's your way of reconciling that story in the Bible with what's actually seen in the Earth.

dlamberth said:

As written in the geology of the Earth itSelf, there was no Noah's flood.

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Geology can take a hike.

What do you think the meandering rivers and white cliffs are?

Geologists see those and incorporate them into their deep time scenarios; then claim there's no evidence of Noah's flood.

I believe if they found the Ark itself -- (which they won't) -- but I believe if they found the Ark itself, they'd just make up some junk explanation for it, so they can keep their beliefs intact.

dlamberth said:

You understand that truth which is the why of your story line that God cleaned up His mess after the supposed world wide Noah's flood.

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That's right.

God cleaned up His mess.

dlamberth said:

That's your way of reconciling that story in the Bible with what's actually seen in the Earth.

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It's what isn't seen that gets your junk geology taught in the classrooms.

dlamberth said:

As written in the geology of the Earth itSelf, there was no Noah's flood. You understand that truth which is the why of your story line that God cleaned up His mess after the supposed world wide Noah's flood. That's your way of reconciling that story in the Bible with what's actually seen in the Earth.

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It would be a fitting thing-an epiphany even- for one
of our yecs ( in a parallel universe of course)
to find themselves in a 3rd world court, accused
of crime most grave, with prosecution judge, and
jury that followed the very standards for evidence
that they employ.

So I see we've accepted that the moon does not give off it's own light, yes?

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Estrid said:

I'll abbreviate to just " d".

"That crazy man just sits there saying
' d d d d d d d d d d' and it's so annoying:."

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AV1611VET said:

You gotta give her credit for that one, Kylie!

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Yes, I do.

Grudgingly.

VERY grudgingly.

Why, you might say, very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very grudgingly.

Nyah.

Kylie said:

Yes, I do.

Grudgingly.

VERY grudgingly.

Why, you might say, very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very grudgingly.

Nyah.

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Yeah, well, you beat me at my own game,
in a grim spiral of mutual desctruction.

T.i.m.o.t.h.y. said:

It will have to suffice, regardless if someone would demand otherwise.

I was speaking of the general distinction of difference between atheist versus creation scientists.

You added your own descriptives that are beyond what I would think of any scientists to be. I will not have my words nitpicked at when I've clearly used generalizations that should suffice as tolerable to everyone.

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There are many scientists who are neither atheists nor creation scientists.

T.i.m.o.t.h.y. said:

In my general statement the general term of atheist suffices. Any subset like geologist or astronomer can designate themselves according to their particular expertise.

Much like anyone may call people who believe the Bible, Christians, not knowing or bothering to make a distinction between the particular denomination an individual Christian may identify themselves by.

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I have not always been an atheist, and I understood the evidence against flood geology while I was still a Christian.

Astrophile said:

There are many scientists who are neither atheists nor creation scientists.

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That's hardly surprising, as evolutionary theory is assumed and stated as fact in most educational establishments (at least, that is the case here in the UK). It's then wrongly assumed that there are no scientists who believe in creation.

David Lamb said:

That's hardly surprising, as evolutionary theory is assumed and stated as fact in most educational establishments (at least, that is the case here in the UK). It's then wrongly assumed that there are no scientists who believe in creation.

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There are scientists who stoutly maintained tobacco
is harmless.


There are people who believe all kinds of things.



There could well be splendid chemists, say,
who are yecs.

However- since intellectual / scientific integrity
in matters related to evolution has to date proved
to be impossible for yecs, it can be misleading to say
there " yec scientist" as if their existence lends significance to their beliefs.

The " list of 1000 yec scientidts" doesn't have much in
the way of people who work in fields related to evolution. People do value their integrity.

Those few who evidently do not - such as bought and
paid tobacco researchers- are deserving of no respect

Too, there are innocent but rather pathetic individuals
who cannot handle the cognitive dissonance of belief
against all evidence.


To again quote a Dr. K. wise, PhD paleontology:

" ...even if all the data in the universe is against yec I will still be yec as that is what the Bible appears to?indicate."

Astrid said:

The "list of 1000 yec scientists" doesn't have much in the way of people who work in fields related to evolution.

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Does that list include Gregor Mendel, the Father of Genetics?

AV1611VET said:

Does that list include Gregor Mendel, the Father of Genetics?

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Did he even read the Origin of Species?

Shemjaza said:

Did he even read the Origin of Species?

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Did he have to?

AV1611VET said:

Did he have to?

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Hmm, you're right. The base YEC beliefs could absolutely be held without it.

Do you have evidence that he believed in a Young Earth? He was active a lot later than Carl Linnaeus who was not a strict Young Earth Creationist (but certainly believed that God created life separately).

Shemjaza said:

Hmm, you're right. The base YEC beliefs could absolutely be held without it.

Do you have evidence that he believed in a Young Earth? He was active a lot later than Carl Linnaeus who was not a strict Young Earth Creationist (but certainly believed that God created life separately).

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Are you sorting through the moldy
archives of history to a time when
nobody knew any better?

Astrid said:

Are you sorting through the moldy
archives of history to a time when
nobody knew any better?

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Kind of.

I like to be precise. I also imagine that men as thorough and consistent as Mendel and Linnaeus would have accepted the evidence for evolution if they had had it presented to them.

Shemjaza said:

Kind of.

I like to be precise. I also imagine that men as thorough and consistent as Mendel and Linnaeus would have accepted the evidence for evolution if they had had it presented to them.

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Obviously the finest minds of old were not equipped with
knowledge available today. And made a lot of mistakes as a result

I, as some have noticed, hold that nobody who
has accessed today's information can be both
a yec and a person of intellectual integrity.

That no doubt sounds harsh to those whose
intellectual honesty is challenged that way.

I've yet to be shown any way that it's possible.

Astrid said:

I've yet to be shown any way that it's possible.

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One would have to be able to recognize intellectual integrity first.

AV1611VET said:

Geology can take a hike.

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Oh, but it does. Well, geologists do. And then they come back with stuff like zircon crystals, fossils, magnetic reversals, ice core drillings and all other kind of stuff that show you wrong.
You should stop wishing that scientists take a hike. It would be better for your blood pressure.

David Lamb said:

That's hardly surprising, as evolutionary theory is assumed and stated as fact in most educational establishments (at least, that is the case here in the UK). It's then wrongly assumed that there are no scientists who believe in creation.

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The theory of evolution is not "assumed", but is the conclusion - reached after examination of all available data and evidence.
Even if someone assumes that we 21st century people "believe in evolution" because we are "brainwashed" the scientists in Darwin's time were not brainwashed. Yet the accepted the ToE because of the simplicity, logic and empirical evidence supporting it. The discovery of DNA, discovery of numerous more fossils, establishment of biochemical pathways have only strengthen the ToE. That fact should make YECs think very deeply.