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SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

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Who is to say what is appropriate?
God made them male and female.
There are many who would think that a boy being a My Little Pony Fan was highly inappropriate.
I never met any.

You keep confusing gender roles or activities with identity and sex.

I find it weird - but it is the result of the ideology you subscribe to.

That ideology is designed to breed confusion and spread suffering.
 
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What an ugly view of childhood. No wonder some kids want to opt out of the "who's a real man debate."
You think it is ugly to accept that fact that everyone gets picked on for something and that we shouldn't let it get to us?

You are the only one on here questioning whether someone is a man or not.

You even claimed that my playing with My Little Pony dolls meant that I was "gender nonconforming".

You claim to be against this "who's the real man debate" - but you are the one here preaching it.
 
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God made them male and female.

I never met any.

You keep confusing gender roles or activities with identity and sex.
Because acceptance and performance of gender roles and activities is the only way we have of evaluating a person's self-identity. And in a way it doesn't really matter.

If a male presented himself as masculine in his behavior and attitudes would you really care if he thought he was a woman?

If a male presented himself in a dress and wig and wanted to be deferred to as "she" would you like it any better if you knew he didn't think he was a woman?
 
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Because acceptance and performance of gender roles and activities is the only way we have of evaluating a person's self-identity.
Not at all. We have all kinds of things that help us know someone - such as their sex, age, race, ethnicity, nationality, religious affiliation, etc.
And in a way it doesn't really matter.
Everything matters.
If a male presented himself as masculine in his behavior and attitudes would you really care if he thought he was a woman?
Yes - because I love him and don't want him to believe in a delusion that would lead to him suffering.
If a male presented himself in a dress and wig and wanted to be deferred to as "she" would you like it any better if you knew he didn't think he was a woman?
I wouldn't like it at all because the person is suffering, and they need the Lord Jesus Christ to heal him.
 
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You think it is ugly to accept that fact that everyone gets picked on for something and that we shouldn't let it get to us?
No, the ugly part is that you think picking on kids for things like that is acceptable.
You are the only one on here questioning whether someone is a man or not.

You even claimed that my playing with My Little Pony dolls meant that I was "gender nonconforming".
It was. You were having fun with a toy usually played with by girls.
You claim to be against this "who's the real man debate" - but you are the one here preaching it.
And of course you have no ideas on the subject yourself, no ideas of how a "man" should behave or how a "woman" should behave and what to do about it if they don't.
 
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Not at all. We have all kinds of things that help us know someone - such as their sex, age, race, ethnicity, nationality, religious affiliation, etc.

Everything matters.

Yes - because I love him and don't want him to believe in a delusion that would lead to him suffering.
How would you know what he believed about it?
I wouldn't like it at all because the person is suffering, and they need the Lord Jesus Christ to heal him.
Why would he be suffering? Maybe he just likes to wear a dress.
 
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No, the ugly part is that you think picking on kids for things like that is acceptable.
I never said that picking on someone or bullying was acceptable.

I said that I accepted the reality that it happens. As we all should. And we shouldn't let it get to us.

No one is a special victim because we have all gotten picked on. It's just life.
It was. You were having fun with a toy usually played with by girls.
Thank you for further proving my point that you are the one who is obsessed with how girls and boys should behave - not the conservatives.
And of course you have no ideas on the subject yourself, no ideas of how a "man" should behave or how a "woman" should behave and what to do about it if they don't.
It does not matter how they behave - they would still be what they were born as - what was determined at conception.
How would you know what he believed about it?
You said that he thought he was a woman. So - he believes that he is a woman. That is how I know.
Why would he be suffering?
Because he does not want to be known as a man. He is denying what he is.
Maybe he just likes to wear a dress.
And be referred to as "she" - as you said.
 
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Because I work for a living, and in addition I actually take the time to look things up before answering. Just because someone doesn't address something you said right away doesn't mean they are ignoring you.
My apologies. I work too. This is our first interactions. I have discovered there are many on this board who will not answer or will dodge the questions. I just get tired of it and will call it out anymore. My apologies if you weren't doing that.
the reason I was dismissive of the claim is because when I was younger it would not have even entered someone's head to perform a mastectomy on a young teenager. I'm obviously getting too old because my jaw almost hit the floor when I read in medical journals that such procedures had been done.

I'm not a doctor or gender therapist so I am uncomfortable inserting myself in someone else's medical care, but personally I think it's medical malpractice and shouldn't be legal.

Otherwise, unless they were buried in all the anti-trans rhetoric, I didn't see you ask me any questions.
Well on that we certainly agree. And that is what this thread is about. How kids are treated.

I'm not anti-trans. I know that those who have true dysphoria have a real issue. The problem is the true trans community have been overshadowed by transgenderism. Which has allowed those that do not actually suffer dysphoria to claim to be trans and then do things like go into women's space and expose themselves while claiming to be trans. I could go on. But I won't.

I want all those who think they might be trans to recieve the proper therapy. Especially everyone under the age of 18. Proper therapy would mean psychological therapies designed to get at the root causes as to why the child thinks they nay be trans. We have discovered that there are a lot of influences upon those under 18 and a lot of trauma, other mental health disorders, autism, even being gay that are involved. Yes, gay kids who transitioned because they thought they were trans.

I don't care if you are trans. It's your personal issue that you as an adult have have to cone to grips with and deal with. We all have things in our lives that are a struggle. Some definitely harder and more complicated than others. Yours isn't a minor or easy thing to deal with. As an adult you can deal with it as you see fit.
I'm not going to be baited into violating ToS by you. Suffice it to say very few people, even the worst neo-nazi's and klansmen, think of themselves as bigots. It doesn't mean they aren't it just means they lack self awareness
Or they aren't bigoted. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't make them bigoted. Just because people don't believe children should receive puberty blockers or hormones doesn't make them bigoted. I mean you don't agree with the mastechtomies and you aren't a bigot.

Its pretty hard to be a bigot when one is leaning on science and biology as evidence that men aren't women.

Believing that gender dysphoria is a mental health issue isn't bigoted at all.
 
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Since feelings play a role in shaping our overt behaviors and personal expressions, it is possible to see why some people who spontaneously exhibit the overt behaviors and personal expressions commonly associated with the opposite sex might suppose that they possessed the feelings of the opposite sex as well.
I'll ignore the spontaneously comment. And I've already addressed the behaviors issue. In order to make the claim that feeling are the issue you first have to show what a woman feels like or what a man feels like. And you would also have to show that a man can know what a woman feels like.

It seems to me you are actually stuck on ther performative aspect. If a person does or likes things that may be associated with the opposite sex then they must be the opposite sex and have feelings of the opposite sex. The problem is the demonstratively untrue. You continue to make claims that you can't support.
 
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And nobody expected that it would--except perhaps for a conservative who might be suspicious that a minor gender nonconformity like that was a symptom of something more sinister.
That's funny coming from someone who actually uses nonconformity as an excuse to say they might be the opposite sex. We are conservatives are tge ones pushing against that nonsense.it the conservative that says just because a boy plays with my little ponies it doesn't mean he's a girl. It's the leftist that actually makes the claim he might be.
You need to look in the mirror.
 
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In my day it was called being a "sissy" by adults and if the least you got from your contemporaries was a wedgie or two you could consider yourself lucky.
I was picked on for being the new kid. Kids get picked on for a lot of things.
 
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No, the ugly part is that you think picking on kids for things like that is acceptable.
You been to knock that garbage off. You do that quite often. Try to make someone say something they didn't. Quote him saying that or admit he didn't. I've got money on the fact you won't do either.
 
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They want to blur the lines between sex and gender roles to push an evil ideology.
<Looking at my trans friends and what they want. >

I do not find my friends desire to live as they please evil. If anything I find demanding others must live according to the dictates of their own beliefs evil.

YMMV
 
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How would a man know what it’s like to be a woman?

Being a woman is about biology and genetics. XX chromosome. Just because some feels like something doesn’t make it a reality.

I can say I feel like I’m the President of the United States. Does that make me the POTUS? No.
What does it feel like to be a man? What does it feel like to be a woman? None of knows what it feels like to be anything but ourselves. I am a woman and I don’t know what it feels like to be a woman because I can’t compare my experience to anything thing else. I feel what society defines for me as a woman’s role and I can agree or disagree that I fit with that definition. If someone born genetically male feels more aligned with how so defines a woman, who are we to tell them their feelings are incorrect? They feel what they feel.
 
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Parental rights have ALWAYS ended when harm.is being done to their child.
That is contrary to historical fact. The US and the UK had laws against animal abuse long before they had laws against child abuse. Spare the rod...
 
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What does it feel like to be a man? What does it feel like to be a woman? None of knows what it feels like to be anything but ourselves. I am a woman and I don’t know what it feels like to be a woman because I can’t compare my experience to anything thing else. I feel what society defines for me as a woman’s role and I can agree or disagree that I fit with that definition. If someone born genetically male feels more aligned with how so defines a woman, who are we to tell them their feelings are incorrect? They feel what they feel.
Simply put, they are MEN and don’t know what it’s like to experience life as a woman. To say otherwise is being dishonest, in my opinion.

For a man to say he’s actually a woman is disgusting and misogynistic.
 
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<Looking at my trans friends and what they want. >

I do not find my friends desire to live as they please evil. If anything I find those who demand others must live according to the dictates of their own beliefs evil.

YMMV
I mean this sincerely and want an honest answer. I mean no disrespect whatsoever.

How does a trans person know what it’s like to be the opposite sex if they were born as the sex they were assigned at birth?

Just because they follow stereotypes of the opposite gender and “feel” like they are the opposite gender doesn’t mean they really are the opposite gender.

Getting a “sex change” doesn’t change your genetics or chromosomes. It’s only changing your appearance and pumping your body full of hormones.

That’s how I see it.
 
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That is contrary to historical fact. The US and the UK had laws against animal abuse long before they had laws against child abuse. Spare the rod...
Yikes! That’s rather horrifying! But not surprising.
 
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