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Hammster said:

Good scripture. Not sure how you think it’s a rebuttal, though.

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I am not sure how you justify claiming that the Holocaust occurred under
the authority of Christ? Did Christ come to destroy or save?

hislegacy said:

Do you believe children are raped in heaven?

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Hammster said:

No.

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If God's will is the same on earth as it is in heaven, and children are not raped in heaven - then why are they raped on earth?

Do you believe it is God's will for hundreds of thousands of innocent children aborted?

Do you believe it is God's will for people to be robbed in their homes?

Do you believe school shootings are part of God's will?

Again if it is not God's will in heaven - then it will not be His will on earth.

God's dealing with man's will:

“Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the Lord,
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
They shall be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They shall be as wool.
19 If you are willing and obedient,
You shall eat the good of the land;
20 But if you refuse and rebel,
You shall be devoured by the sword”;
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

Grip Docility said:

You have the full extra biblical doctrine of Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace and Perseverance of the saints as your theological badge.

Without use of frail human logic, can you directly address that YH-H spoke to Jerimiah in first person that He did not command or think of a thing... and again... eventually leveled those civilizations that dared to do such wickedness as burn babies?

Jeremiah 19:5 Cross Reference

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You're mentioning acts that fallen humans have done and not Satan and like i said satan is completely bound to God fallen humans are mostly not because we were not created solely to serve God like the angels were. Satan tempts, lies and deceives because that's his nature and one thing hamster and I might disagree on (and that's alright two reformed people don't have to 100% agree on everything) is the fact that Satan with God's permission causes everything to happen. There are some things that mankind are responsible for. Like your example of burning babies. Mankind did that, not Satan or God. And nothing that mankind nor Satan has ever done will not ultimately be punished by God even if he foreordained parts of it like the fall.

Don't forget reformed theology isn't something that's been cooked up within the past 100 years it's been mainstream Protestant thought almost since the time of Luther and Originated with him and even primarily goes back to Augustine. A majority of Christians believed in predestination including the apostles. So parts of reformed theology can be traced that far back. It's not like the two of us are spewing brand new ideas it has rich Biblical history.

You brought up my signature which is a tad off topic but my signature is from Facebook I had somebody share it with me. I happened to like it and found many of the scriptures provided supported many of the points so I decided to use it as a signature for these forums.

Neostarwcc said:

You're mentioning acts that fallen humans have done and not Satan and like i said satan is completely bound to God fallen humans are mostly not because we were not created solely to serve God like the angels were. Satan tempts, lies and deceives because that's his nature and one thing hamster and I might disagree on (and that's alright two reformed people don't have to 100% agree on everything) is the fact that Satan with God's permission causes everything to happen. There are some things that mankind are responsible for. Like your example of burning babies. Mankind did that, not Satan or God. And nothing that mankind nor Satan has ever done will not ultimately be punished by God even if he foreordained parts of it like the fall.

Don't forget reformed theology isn't something that's been cooked up within the past 100 years it's been mainstream Protestant thought almost since the time of Luther and Originated with him and even primarily goes back to Augustine. A majority of Christians believed in predestination including the apostles. So parts of reformed theology can be traced that far back. It's not like the two of us are spewing brand new ideas it has rich Biblical history.

You brought up my signature which is a tad off topic but my signature is from Facebook I had somebody share it with me. I happened to like it and found many of the scriptures provided supported many of the points so I decided to use it as a signature for these forums.

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So… no answer to why it never entered God’s mind or was “commanded” by God. Fair enough

Hammster said:

That’s a very simple viewpoint. People don’t die in heaven. Or get cancer. Or age. Etc.

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and you are once again avoiding the question - I did not say anything about dying or cancer - but the acts of the devil on the earth.

Mr. M said:

Did the Nazis attempt to exterminate the Jews under Christ's authority, or Satan?

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As clearly written in Scripture, specifically for one Ephesians 2 - the nazis were (and are ) subjects of hasatan, not of Jesus, ever.

Hammster said:

The Jews hated Christ. Why shouldn’t they suffer God’s wrath. The Jews in the first century certainly did.

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Not all the Jews hated Christ.
For example.. .The apostles.

And keep in mind that Jesus asked God to forgive the JEWS , when Christ said from the Cross...

"Father forgive THEM"..

And God did.

So, what you dont seem to grasp is that SATAN hates the Jews, because they are God's Chosen, and JESUS a JEW is the SON OF GOD... and Satan envies this to the point that he has tried to Destroy the Jew, for 4000 yrs and is still trying.

Just ask : IRAN/ISLAM
Just ask : Hamas
Just ask : Syria
Just ask : Hesbollah
Just ask : ISIS
Just ask : Hitler

And if Biden continues to try to deny Israel the supplies it needs to destroy the Islamic Savages (Hamas) then add Biden to Satan's List.

Hammster said:

See 70 AD.

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Im not "of the Cult of Preterism"

Hammster said:

That wasn’t the Jews. That was the Romans.

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You think that Jesus's prayer " Father forgive THEM" was for the Romans, yet not the Jews?

When in fact He was saying it to the Jews who were at that time saying to Jesus..."come on down from those Nails if you are the Messiah".

Hammster said:

God’s chosen people are those who follow Christ.

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Those are Born Again Christians.

However, when you read the OT, you'll note that Those who are connected to Abraham, who were given "the land" are God's original Chosen.

Its those whom MOSES led out of Egypt.. (among others).

And when the Trib starts... God RESUMES His dealing with the JEW (Chosen).

You might take notice that there are 144,000 Jews who come forth. (Chosen).

Hammster said:

So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience;
— Colossians 3:12

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Yes, Chosen "In Christ"... not Pre-destined before you are born.

Hammster said:

No flaming, please. The fact is that Jerusalem’s destruction was the official end of the old covenant due to Israel’s unfaithfulness.

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No preterism please.

Hammster said:

When they came to the place called The Skull, there they crucified Him and the criminals, one on the right and the other on the left. But Jesus was saying, “Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.” And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves.
— Luke 23:33-34

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Your verse is an OT prophecy.....regarding the Crucifixion.

So, these are who were forgiven..

Matthew 27:41-44.

And how do you know He forgave them?
Because His Father and The Son also, said...>"forgive 70x7"... "love your enemies"..... etc, etc.

Hammster said:

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.”
— Romans 9:6-7

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Paul saId.. "and all of Israel shall be saved"... Rom 11

Notice He didnt say...>"gentiles and Israel".

The reason he left out "gentiles' is because that is "time of the Gentiles".... and Paul is the "apostle TO the Gentiles".

Hammster said:

Jews who do not acknowledge their Messiah are not God’s chosen people.

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Jews were God's chosen in the entire OT.

All the Prophets, Judges, Apostles..

JEWs.

"The Chosen".

God sent Jesus as JEW...... (Chosen people)(OT).

Hammster said:

See 70 AD.

That wasn’t the Jews. That was the Romans.

God’s chosen people are those who follow Christ.

So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience;
— Colossians 3:12

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That was the Romans… Please show the verse

Hammster said:

I did. Read further.

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I have. Who handed Jesus over to the Romans?